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| * baijum created http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/ZopeComponentArchitecture motivated by http://www.mozilla.org/projects/xpcom/ | 09:29 | |
| ktwilight | thanks :) | 09:30 |
| * baijum will be giving a talk on ZCA at FOSS.NITC this week: http://foss.nitc.ac.in/ my slides and handouts are here : http://zissue.berlios.de/z3/zca.tar.bz2 | 09:35 | |
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| baijum | faassen: ping ? | 12:05 |
| faassen | baijum: pong | 12:08 |
| baijum | faassen, few weks back you mentioned about moving wiki.zope.org hosting to the same hostings of python.org and plone.org | 12:10 |
| baijum | Recently there was many otages for wiki.zope.org, so can we move it to new infrastructure asap ? | 12:10 |
| faassen | not quite that. same hosting as plone.org | 12:10 |
| faassen | python.org is using the same infrastructure, but different hosting provider. | 12:10 |
| baijum | ah..ok | 12:10 |
| faassen | I'll send a mail to Simon | 12:11 |
| baijum | ok | 12:11 |
| faassen | baijum: I contacted them. thanks for prompting me, I have been lazy in trying to get that ready. :) | 12:25 |
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| faassen | baijum: trying to get it really arranged now. | 12:25 |
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| tlotze | hi | 12:28 |
| faassen | hey | 12:29 |
| tlotze | Is it known behaviour in grok that I get a TypeError from the depths of Python's cgi module when using an edit form out of the box? | 12:29 |
| tlotze | If I supply my own template and remove the multipart encoding bit, it's OK. | 12:29 |
| tlotze | Should I report this as a bug? | 12:30 |
| faassen | tlotze: hm, no, it's known. | 12:31 |
| faassen | tlotze: it's a bug in Zope 3.3.0 | 12:31 |
| faassen | tlotze: which was fixed in Zope 3.3.1 | 12:31 |
| faassen | tlotze: compatibility with Python version 2.4.4 I believe | 12:31 |
| faassen | tlotze: an update of Grok and a re-running of the buildout should fix it, as I believe it was fixed to use the newer version. | 12:31 |
| tlotze | ah | 12:31 |
| faassen | tlotze: so NOT A GROK PROBLEM :) | 12:31 |
| * faassen grins | 12:31 | |
| tlotze | Why doesn't grok use 3.3.1, anyway? Any reason? | 12:31 |
| faassen | capitals for the benefit of those listening in. :) | 12:32 |
| * tlotze grins back | 12:32 | |
| faassen | tlotze: it does use 3.3.1 now, I believe? it didn't use 3.3.1 as it wasn't released. | 12:32 |
| * tlotze updates | 12:32 | |
| faassen | or something. it may be grokproject is doing something different again. | 12:32 |
| faassen | were you using that? grok uses the 3.3 branch, in fact. | 12:32 |
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| faassen | grokproject is a bit tricky to update, in my experience. you may have to dig in and wipe out the egg. | 12:32 |
| faassen | as easy_install -U grokproject .. | 12:33 |
| faassen | didn't work for me. | 12:33 |
| faassen | anyway, I believe grokproject has a different way to pull in Zope. | 12:33 |
| tlotze | Yes, I'm using grokproject. | 12:33 |
| faassen | yes.. grok itself uses the 3.3 branch and has been forever, so it didn't have a problem. | 12:33 |
| faassen | grokproject only recently started using 3.3.1. | 12:33 |
| faassen | and it does use that version - I just verified. | 12:33 |
| faassen | you may have to go into site-packages and wipe out the egg to update it though :( | 12:34 |
| tlotze | The thing is, I'm doing a workshop on grok on the Chemnitzer Linuxtage on the weekend, and I want to use grokproject to get started there. | 12:34 |
| faassen | tlotze: sure, good idea. | 12:34 |
| faassen | tlotze: and cool that you're doing a workshop! | 12:34 |
| faassen | tlotze: how do you like grok so far? | 12:34 |
| tlotze | And the demo of how cool this all is shouldn't start with, look, we have to override some things first so they don'T break... | 12:34 |
| faassen | tlotze: yeah, agreed. | 12:34 |
| faassen | tlotze: the new grokproject works fine. | 12:34 |
| tlotze | ME LIKE GROK :o) | 12:35 |
| faassen | tlotze: it's just that if you have an existing grokproject it gets hairy. | 12:35 |
| faassen | tlotze: and I agree, it should all just work. | 12:35 |
| tlotze | k, then I'll set up a new one. | 12:35 |
| faassen | tlotze: I assume you're aware of Philipp's recent change which means you always need a view class to make a view appear, not just a template. | 12:35 |
| tlotze | Actually, I wasn't aware of this template-only thing... | 12:36 |
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| tlotze | One thing... the edit and display templates might define macros, so I don't really have to copy and paste when I want to add a heading or a link. But then, it might be easier than to get at the macros. | 12:37 |
| faassen | tlotze: all this needs a bit of careful thinking. I'm not sure whether we want to go the standard Zope way of using macros. | 12:38 |
| tlotze | Oh, and another: I wanted to add an action to an edit form. Easily done, but it wiped away the submit action. This is clear when looking at the grokker code, but it feels somewhat inconvenient to not actually have access to the supplied action in the view code. | 12:38 |
| faassen | tlotze: perhaps there are better ways. :) | 12:39 |
| tlotze | ah | 12:39 |
| faassen | tlotze: actually I believe formlib is the one that wipes out the actions defined on the base class, or something. | 12:39 |
| faassen | tlotze: anyway, these are good points. perhaps you can add them to launchpad with some ideas? | 12:39 |
| faassen | tlotze: or otherwise move them to the mailing list? | 12:39 |
| faassen | tlotze: as I'm going to forget all about this. :) | 12:40 |
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| tlotze | Actually, grok.formlib does ist. | 12:40 |
| faassen | hm. | 12:40 |
| faassen | tlotze: that surprises me, I thought zope.formlib had some behavior there too when subclassing, but perhaps I'm confusing things. | 12:40 |
| faassen | tlotze: anyway be sure to put up bug reports or mailing list messages. :) | 12:41 |
| tlotze | OTOH, I don't see off the top of my head how to do it differently... | 12:41 |
| tlotze | I will. Got to fetch lunch first over here, though ;o) | 12:41 |
| faassen | tlotze: have a nice lunch! | 12:44 |
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| baijum | faassen, nice to hear that you made progress for new hosting | 12:55 |
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| tlotze | faassen: JFTR, a freshly setup grok project using 3.3.1 works for me :o) Thanks again. | 14:45 |
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| faassen | tlotze: okay, good. :) | 14:51 |
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| timte | What's the fax number to use for the contributor agreement? http://www.zope.org/DevHome/Subversion/FrontPage only shows a snail mail address. | 15:30 |
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| Airwolf- | if this is the dev chan, is there any user chan ? | 17:41 |
| d2m | you could ask here or in #zope | 17:43 |
| Airwolf- | is there any CMS for zope3 ? | 17:44 |
| Airwolf- | and, is zope3 is mature enough for production ? | 17:45 |
| Airwolf- | because i've read some rants on the net that makes a turnoff | 17:45 |
| mgedmin | various people use zope3 in production | 17:45 |
| Airwolf- | my friend have a book on zope 2, can i use it for zope 3? | 17:49 |
| Airwolf- | it was zope bible or something like that | 17:51 |
| ktwilight | zope3 is completely different from zope2 | 17:52 |
| mgedmin | not really | 17:52 |
| ktwilight | there's a new z3 book just released, apparently very helpful :) | 17:53 |
| Airwolf- | oh .. | 17:53 |
| Airwolf- | what's the title of the book ? | 17:54 |
| CSWookie | Web Component Developement with Zope 3, 2nd Ed. is decent. | 17:54 |
| CSWookie | I wish it were thicker, and followed false tracks more to fruition, though. | 17:55 |
| Airwolf- | ok, thank you | 17:55 |
| Airwolf- | you mean ? | 17:56 |
| CSWookie | Airwolf-: It goes right to the proper way to do stuff. | 17:56 |
| CSWookie | My learning style requires a little slower pace. On the other hand, it's a decent sized book already. | 17:57 |
| Airwolf- | oh .. sorry, english is not my tongue | 17:57 |
| CSWookie | Airwolf-: It's a good book, and has a website to go with it. | 17:57 |
| Airwolf- | i will check it out | 17:58 |
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| Airwolf- | Does Zope Developer's Guide on www.zope.org also cover zope3 ? | 18:03 |
| mgedmin | there's a zope 3 developer's guide that covers zope 3.0 | 18:04 |
| CSWookie | Airwolf-: zope.org is Zope2 specific, iirc. | 18:04 |
| mgedmin | it's a bit outdated | 18:04 |
| CSWookie | Evidently, I do not recall correctly. | 18:05 |
| Airwolf- | oh | 18:05 |
| Airwolf- | zope 3 is err, 3.3.0 version already but still no one write/port a (non-private) CMS using zope3 ? | 18:07 |
| mgedmin | dunno | 18:07 |
| CSWookie | Airwolf-: Sounds like alearning project :-) | 18:09 |
| Airwolf- | :) | 18:10 |
| jhauser_ | the big z2-cms are using z3 technics by means of the five integration | 18:11 |
| jhauser_ | so there is some form of porting on it's way | 18:11 |
| Airwolf- | so, there's a possibility to hack z2 cms-es to run on z3 ? | 18:12 |
| jhauser_ | no the run on zope2 | 18:13 |
| jhauser_ | but it's possible to reuse z3 stuff in z2 | 18:13 |
| mgedmin | maybe zope 3 should've had a different name | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | zopf | 18:15 |
| WebMaven | f comes before g | 18:17 |
| WebMaven | so, the next one would be zopg | 18:17 |
| WebMaven | and then zoph | 18:17 |
| WebMaven | which would be confusing again, because it sounds like zopf | 18:18 |
| WebMaven | "why couldn't the pick a less confusing name than Zoph?" | 18:18 |
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| Airwolf- | haha | 18:29 |
| Airwolf- | zwat .. zope web application toolkit | 18:35 |
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| d2m | i found zope.component.globalregistry dependent on zope.testing --> with the new dependency layers the methods like provideUtility fail to load when used outside a zope app server | 18:40 |
| WebMaven | Airwolf-: there was a minimal CMS implementation for Zope3 constructed as a demo. Let me find the link... | 18:40 |
| d2m | because the zope.testing dependencies are not installed by easy_install | 18:42 |
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| Airwolf- | well, thank you very much WebMaven ... that can be very helpful | 18:43 |
| Lumiere | what version of gcc does zope3 svn require? | 18:44 |
| WebMaven | Airwolf-: sorry, looks like the Cubic project is dead and gone. Let me see if there is anything else... | 18:44 |
| d2m | Lumiere, look at your python2.4.4 | 18:45 |
| WebMaven | Airwolf-: z3ecm might be worth looking at... no changes in the last 6 months though: http://svn.z3lab.org/trac/z3lab/browser/z3ecm/trunk | 18:45 |
| Lumiere | hmm... only have 2.4.3 | 18:45 |
| d2m | Lumiere, good enough | 18:46 |
| Airwolf- | that's very kind of you WebMaven | 18:46 |
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| Lumiere | it matches the current gcc I am using... but I do get errors | 18:46 |
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| d2m | Lumiere, which errors ? missing header files ? | 18:47 |
| Lumiere | it didn't look that way, but I am guessing that's the primary reason | 18:47 |
| MacYET_ | Lumiere: all decent gcc version should work | 18:48 |
| Lumiere | ok | 18:48 |
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| d2m | Lumiere,maybe you did the setup wrong? here is the link to install zope3 from svn http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/SettingUpAZope3Sandbox | 18:49 |
| Lumiere | d2m: I'm working with schooltool | 18:50 |
| Lumiere | so I am checking back through their setup commands | 18:50 |
| d2m | Lumiere, Schooltool does the install all by itself | 18:50 |
| d2m | no need to setup zope | 18:50 |
| Lumiere | yea | 18:50 |
| Lumiere | I am just tracking where the errors are | 18:50 |
| Lumiere | thank you for the help | 18:51 |
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| Airwolf- | tch ... it's hard when you're the only person IN THE CITY who knows python ... no n00bs to discuss things ... | 19:11 |
| Airwolf- | and everyone wants cooked stuff ... | 19:14 |
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| Theuni | srichter: ping | 20:04 |
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| srichter | Theuni: pong | 20:06 |
| Theuni | ah | 20:06 |
| Theuni | can you make me an administrator of the zope.org project in launchpad? | 20:06 |
| Theuni | i just applied so you should be able to find me. | 20:06 |
| srichter | yep, just got the mail | 20:06 |
| Theuni | thanks! | 20:06 |
| srichter | for some reason I cannot use the beta site | 20:07 |
| srichter | where you tried to apply | 20:07 |
| srichter | yeah, I am not listed as a beta tester | 20:08 |
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| Theuni | srichter: the data is the same | 20:16 |
| Theuni | just go to the normal site | 20:16 |
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| srichter | Theuni: done | 20:23 |
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| Theuni | srichter: can you make me an admin? | 20:30 |
| Theuni | i'm just approved right now | 20:30 |
| srichter | how can I do this? | 20:30 |
| srichter | I think only Philipp, who is the owner of the group, can make you an administrator of the zope-admin group | 20:33 |
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| radix | If my first instinct is to want something like directlyProvides((a, b), IFoo), to make getMultiAdapter((a, b), IFoo) work, what do I actually want? | 21:33 |
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| srichter | myTuple = (a, b) | 21:34 |
| srichter | directlyProvides(myTuple, IFoo) | 21:34 |
| srichter | aehm, forget this | 21:35 |
| srichter | I really do not understand what you are trying to do | 21:35 |
| radix | yeah, that's what I thought :) | 21:35 |
| radix | srichter: write unit tests | 21:35 |
| radix | srichter: there is code that I know is going to be getting a multiadapter from (a, b) to IFoo, and I just want to set it up so that it will work concisely in my unit test | 21:35 |
| srichter | ah, in this case register an adapter from (Interface, Interface) -> IFoo | 21:37 |
| srichter | This way the adaptation will always work | 21:37 |
| radix | won't that affect all sorts of other things? | 21:38 |
| srichter | yes | 21:38 |
| radix | isn't that bad? | 21:38 |
| srichter | otherwise you have to be more specific | 21:38 |
| radix | I would like to be very specific :) | 21:38 |
| srichter | not really, because more specific things will win | 21:38 |
| radix | hmm, ok | 21:38 |
| srichter | you can also do: | 21:38 |
| srichter | adapter from class_of_a, class_of_b -> IFoo | 21:39 |
| radix | ah yeah, that'd be better, and doable since my classes are local mocks that no one else has | 21:39 |
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| radix | hmmm | 21:42 |
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| radix | it's still fairly awkward, I wonder if there's any chance there could be something like what I said in the future | 21:58 |
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| mgedmin | what exactly is awkward? | 22:00 |
| mgedmin | zope.component.provideMultiAdapter(lambda *a: None, adapts=[IA, IB], provides=IFoo) ? | 22:01 |
| mgedmin | oops, actually that would cause component lookup errors, because None means the adapter is not available | 22:01 |
| mgedmin | besides, you need some object that actually provides the methods defined in IFoo | 22:02 |
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| radix | maybe it's not | 22:11 |
| radix | or, well, it's slightly aesthetically displeasing that it's making a global change | 22:12 |
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| mgedmin | a temporary global change | 22:15 |
| mgedmin | the setUp of your tests calls zope.app.testing.setup.placelessSetUp() | 22:15 |
| mgedmin | then you register the adapters/utilities you need for the test | 22:15 |
| mgedmin | then your tearDown calls zope.app.testing.setup.placelessTearDown() and all your adapters are unregistered, leaving a clean slate | 22:15 |
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| radix | right, and that is the reason that it is aesthetically displeasing :) | 22:22 |
| radix | no matter, I can deal with it | 22:22 |
| mgedmin | zope 3 has too many globals, if you ask me | 22:23 |
| radix | true that | 22:23 |
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| Theuni | hmm. | 23:53 |
| Theuni | i wonder from where the configure script in the zope release comes from ... | 23:53 |
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