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| projekt01 | philiKON, is it not possible to write eggs for sub packages? | 00:32 |
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| philiKON | only with namespace packages | 00:33 |
| philiKON | you would have to make z3c.javascript a namespace package | 00:33 |
| philiKON | either way, deep.package.structures.suck.alot.because.flat.is.better.than.nested :) | 00:33 |
| projekt01 | in z3c all sub packages are(or should be) in namespace packages | 00:34 |
| philiKON | this sentence is a bit ambiguous | 00:34 |
| projekt01 | it also sucks a lot to have awidget, bwidget, cwidget mixed within all other packages | 00:35 |
| philiKON | why? | 00:35 |
| projekt01 | widget or javascript is a good namepsace | 00:35 |
| philiKON | if i don't need awidget... | 00:35 |
| philiKON | hey, it's your package, you can do whatever you like | 00:35 |
| philiKON | if z3c.wdiget is a namespace package, then it's certainly possible to make separate eggs | 00:36 |
| projekt01 | yes, if you do not need a widget, you have a simpler top level structure | 00:36 |
| philiKON | flat is better than nested | 00:36 |
| projekt01 | flatten is better then nested in categorised sub packages | 00:36 |
| projekt01 | flatten is better then nested in categorised packages | 00:36 |
| philiKON | i guess that's a matter of interpretation :) | 00:37 |
| projekt01 | the useage of a clear namespace is not nested till no end | 00:37 |
| philiKON | ? | 00:37 |
| projekt01 | namespace are a good pattern if it will become to nesty because of a bloated flat strucutre | 00:38 |
| projekt01 | and z3c is becoming to big | 00:39 |
| philiKON | what??? | 00:39 |
| philiKON | so waht? | 00:39 |
| projekt01 | the other pattern could be to use another namespace like z3cwidget | 00:39 |
| philiKON | why does it matter if z3c has 100, 1000 or 2000 packages? | 00:39 |
| philiKON | will life be better if z3c had a 100 packages and each had 10 subpackages? | 00:40 |
| philiKON | does it make a difference if each of those subpackages are packaged as their own egg anyway? | 00:40 |
| philiKON | we'll end up with 1000 eggs anyway | 00:40 |
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| philiKON | if i didn't know better, i'd be taking you for a prussian ;) | 00:41 |
| projekt01 | I like it to search in z3c.widget if I like to have a widget and not in 2000 top level packages | 00:41 |
| philiKON | if i need a widget, i search svn.zope.org | 00:42 |
| projekt01 | Are you telling it is the same to search in 2000 top level packages or in z3c.widgets wihc contains e.g. 50 packages? | 00:42 |
| philiKON | or the cheeseshop | 00:42 |
| projekt01 | haha | 00:42 |
| philiKON | no, but who says all widgets for zope 3 are in z3c.widget ? | 00:42 |
| philiKON | i want a widget that's open source | 00:42 |
| philiKON | so, i go to the cheeseshop | 00:42 |
| philiKON | type in "zope3 widget" | 00:42 |
| philiKON | or, i go to http://svn.zope.org, get a flat directory listing and search for 'widget' | 00:42 |
| projekt01 | I see your point but that's no reason not to use namespaces for basic stuff. | 00:44 |
| projekt01 | But if making eggs are a problem, I guess we have to change that | 00:45 |
| philiKON | there's no reason to use one :) | 00:45 |
| philiKON | eggs won't be a problem | 00:45 |
| philiKON | it's just a philosophical question, i suppose | 00:45 |
| projekt01 | Yep | 00:45 |
| philiKON | i'll be happy and shut up when i can somehow get a decent datetime widget like the one from z3c.widget and just easy_isntall that without any other dependencies | 00:46 |
| philiKON | because i believe some widgets in z3c.widget have other dependencies | 00:46 |
| philiKON | which is a hindrance for adopting the datetime widget | 00:47 |
| philiKON | which is great | 00:47 |
| philiKON | z3c has lots of great software | 00:47 |
| philiKON | it just could be packaged a little nicer | 00:47 |
| philiKON | anyway, back to work :) | 00:47 |
| philiKON | thanks for listening :) | 00:47 |
| projekt01 | I see your point, I guess I have to learn that egg stuff and make them eggy | 00:47 |
| philiKON | it's certainly worth it | 00:48 |
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| radix | do you guys have any extension modules that you *optionally* build, depending on stuff like the platform or availability of header files? | 21:23 |
| radix | the reason twisted can't be used with easy install right now is that we have a hack for dynamically building modules which kind of craps on distutils' extension building support in certain contexts | 21:24 |
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| Theuni | radix: no we don't | 23:32 |
| Theuni | but distutils shouldn't get in your way | 23:32 |
| Theuni | IIRC you can assemble teh list of extensions you need to build in the script that does the setup() call | 23:33 |
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