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| zenwryly | Been looking at intid, very exciting. I'm confused though, if a key reference is persistent, why would I use the intid utility instead of just storing the key reference itself where I would have stored the intid? | 00:23 |
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| philiKON | zenwryly: optimization | 00:25 |
| philiKON | indexes prefer integers | 00:25 |
| philiKON | purely for optimiation | 00:25 |
| zenwryly | ah! | 00:25 |
| zenwryly | it's for indexes! | 00:25 |
| philiKON | they use the integer variants of BTrees | 00:25 |
| philiKON | which can be insanely fast | 00:25 |
| philiKON | for, say, intersections etc. | 00:25 |
| philiKON | (set operations) | 00:25 |
| philiKON | s/intersections/crosssections :)/ | 00:25 |
| zenwryly | ok, so if all I want to do is store a reference from one object to another, there's no reason not to store the key reference directly | 00:26 |
| zenwryly | ? | 00:26 |
| benji | it's also a nice pattern to pass int IDs in JSON data structures to the browser | 00:26 |
| philiKON | yup | 00:26 |
| philiKON | intids are great for rounttripping ot the browser | 00:26 |
| benji | zenwryly: if all you want to do is store a reference from one object to another, store an actual object reference | 00:26 |
| zenwryly | benji: ok, I'm really an imposter, I'm using five.intid | 00:27 |
| zenwryly | benji: for aq wrapped references | 00:27 |
| zenwryly | :) | 00:27 |
| * zenwryly is sheepish | 00:27 | |
| zenwryly | benji: also, this is Ross | 00:27 |
| benji | heh, yeah I was aware :) | 00:31 |
| zenwryly | ok, good :) | 00:31 |
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| Theuni | also, notice that there are weak references available which might be more what you want, depending on your application. | 00:49 |
| zenwryly | Theuni: yeah, thanks | 00:50 |
| Theuni | np | 00:50 |
| * Theuni also notes that blobs are landing in zope 2 and zope 3 right in this moment | 00:51 | |
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| regebro | Quick question: Does the testbrowser recorder work under Zope2? | 11:56 |
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| * baijum just visited http://grok.zope.org/ Congratulations to all Grok team ! | 14:32 | |
| * baijum finished http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/EggificationOfZopePackages | 14:35 | |
| faassen | baijum: yeah, I saw lots of eggification activity, you mean it's finished now? | 14:42 |
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| baijum | faassen, that proposal's scope was only the packages in `zope` namespece | 14:44 |
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| baijum | there are many in 'zc','z3c' etc. | 14:45 |
| faassen | right, sure. | 14:45 |
| faassen | I eggified some of those long ago. :) | 14:45 |
| faassen | that is, zc.catalog and zc.resourcelibrary and zc.table | 14:45 |
| faassen | that's way cool. | 14:45 |
| faassen | does that mean you can now set up a buildout of zope 3 using eggs? | 14:45 |
| baijum | faassen, it must be possible I didn't tried see http://svn.zope.org/Zope3.buildout/trunk/ | 14:46 |
| faassen | I'll take a look at that. | 14:47 |
| baijum | btw, there is another wiki page created to track eggifications of other packages http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/BuildoutAndEggUsage | 14:49 |
| baijum | now only 'zc' packages are added there, we can add other packages there itself | 14:50 |
| faassen | okay. | 14:50 |
| faassen | it's really great that you're taking this initiative, baijum | 14:50 |
| baijum | faassen, thanks ! | 14:51 |
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| nathany | J1m: in the zope.testrunner script, does it look for an extra named "test" for testing dependencies? | 16:50 |
| nathany | it doesn't seem like tests_require is used (and i recall a yagni on your part on distutils-sig a while back) | 16:50 |
| nathany | (err, zope.testrunner recipe, not script) | 16:50 |
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| softdevr | hi, is there a part of the api i can use to query content objects? | 18:13 |
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| baijum | J1m, ayt? | 19:26 |
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| meatballhat | if root is not defined in the debug shell, how does one correct this? | 21:11 |
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| softdevr | Is it possible to query for a content object? | 22:22 |
| ccomb | what kind of content object? | 22:23 |
| softdevr | a BTreeContainer | 22:24 |
| ccomb | it behaves like a standard python mapping object | 22:26 |
| ccomb | what kind of query do you want to do? | 22:27 |
| softdevr | well like a getUtility(name) | 22:27 |
| ccomb | your_container['your_object'] | 22:27 |
| benji | softdevr: you can register it as a utility and then use getUtility to retrieve it | 22:28 |
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| ccomb | seems I hadn't understood the question | 22:29 |
| softdevr | but it is a content object, not a software component | 22:29 |
| ccomb | you can register anything as long as it provides an interface | 22:30 |
| softdevr | i've read previously that in zope 3 the software and data are separated. This sounds like they are not. | 22:31 |
| ccomb | it is physically separated | 22:32 |
| ccomb | software is in the filesystem, content is in the ZODB | 22:32 |
| benji | note, softdevr, that you probably don't want to register a huge number of content-space objects as utilities; it's not meant as a general query system (and woudn't be a good one) | 22:34 |
| benji | IOW, utilities remain a "software construct", but some you may want to decouple a persistent object from where it "lives" in the database. So you can say something like "give me the foo container" and not have to hard code the foo container's location in your app | 22:35 |
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| softdevr | ok thanks, I'm still unsure of how a container's location is specified. it doesn't exist in the site manager, for example | 22:37 |
| ccomb | an object location is specified with the ILocation or IContained interface | 22:39 |
| ccomb | through the __parent__ attribute | 22:39 |
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| softdevr | ok, so if I have an object called 'x' in the root folder of content-space, how is that referenced? | 23:10 |
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| meatballhat | I'm having trouble with TestRequest, where getMultiAdapter raises a ComponentLookupError .... /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages/zope/component/__init__.py seems to indicate that getSiteManager has failed (???) any help? :D | 23:36 |
| ccomb | softdevr: what do you mean by "referenced"? | 23:37 |
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| softdevr | the path to it in python | 23:42 |
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| ccomb | if you create a view on it, it will appear as self.context is the view | 23:44 |
| ccomb | otherwise you can first get the root folder with root=getRoot() | 23:45 |
| ccomb | then your_folder is root['x'] | 23:45 |
| softdevr | yeah, that's what I wanted, thanks | 23:45 |
| ccomb | getRoot is in zope.traversing.api | 23:45 |
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| ccomb | (but sometimes you prefer to get the nearest site instead of the root) | 23:46 |
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