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| Bhaskar | Any good IDE for Python ?? | 10:47 |
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| dlk | Eclipse | 10:47 |
| dlk | with PyDev and optionally PyDev extensions. | 10:48 |
| dlk | PyDev is free, Extesions are a cheap add-on | 10:48 |
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| dlk | with the subclipse add-on you also get svn integration | 10:50 |
| Bhaskar | dlk, PyDEv, from where i can download? | 10:53 |
| Bhaskar | link? | 10:53 |
| dlk | 2 secs | 10:53 |
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| dlk | http://pydev.sourceforge.net/ | 10:53 |
| dlk | http://subclipse.tigris.org/ | 10:54 |
| dlk | I use it for all my development needs, even editing ZPT etc. | 10:54 |
| dlk | Eclipse, I mean. | 10:54 |
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| Bhaskar | dlk, thanks, Any GUI Builder for python like Netbean for java | 10:55 |
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| dlk | I am not familiera with the jav stuff, but I think there is some wxPython based stuff... and there are things like Dabo, that can be used as a GUI builder... Dabo is more of a platform for db.backed things, though... www.dabodev.com... | 10:59 |
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| dlk | http://wiki.wxpython.org/ has some references, most notably http://wiki.wxpython.org/index.cgi/wxPythonPit_Apps | 11:00 |
| dlk | also http://wxglade.sourceforge.net/ | 11:00 |
| dlk | for native windows, http://venster.sourceforge.net/htdocs/index.html | 11:01 |
| dlk | I have not used any of these things myself, but I try to keep track of them... | 11:01 |
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| Bhaskar | dlk, for making rapid GUI what to do you? | 11:02 |
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| dlk | I don't :-) I am still in the webdevelopment niche, but I used to do GUI stuff a couple of years ago, hence my interest in these matters. | 11:03 |
| dlk | I have not yet had the opportunity to do GUI stuff in python, other than www-stuff. | 11:03 |
| Bhaskar | dlk, u are web programmer? | 11:03 |
| dlk | I think Dabo might be a good choice, but like I said, it is only based on what Ive read about it. | 11:04 |
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| dlk | yes, mostly backend, but some front end too. | 11:04 |
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| Bhaskar | dlk, PHP or what? | 11:05 |
| dlk | btw, i thinkt the GUI discussion is getting a bit off topic for this particular chanell | 11:05 |
| dlk | zope | 11:05 |
| dlk | zope2, to be more specific | 11:05 |
| Bhaskar | well | 11:05 |
| Bhaskar | i am also learning zope | 11:05 |
| Bhaskar | dlk, i am beginner of zope | 11:06 |
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| Bhaskar | dlk, best way of learning zope in short time ?? | 11:07 |
| dlk | oh... there is none :-) | 11:09 |
| Bhaskar | dlk, how u learn ? | 11:10 |
| dlk | for zope3 I think the best way is to buy a copy of Phillip's book | 11:10 |
| dlk | and then look at the grok project, | 11:11 |
| dlk | the main struggle with zope is to change the qay one thinks about web development. it is both easier and harder than in say php. | 11:11 |
| dlk | I learnt the hard way, but trial and error. I am still learning new things about zope2 and I have not yet begun to look into zope3. | 11:13 |
| dlk | but=by | 11:13 |
| Bhaskar | well | 11:14 |
| Bhaskar | dlk, can i find phillip book in pdf or online free? | 11:15 |
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| dlk | no, you have to buy it. the second edition came out just a couple of months ago. | 11:17 |
| dlk | http://www.zope.org/Documentation/ | 11:18 |
| dlk | has some links. some of the online docs are a bit outdated, most of the zope2 stuff is pre zope 2.8, where some significant changes were made and in 2.9 (i think) things from zope3 were being incorporated in zope2. | 11:19 |
| jpcw2002 | dlk:chalmers website is running with zope and cps | 11:27 |
| jpcw2002 | maybe you can learn zope with Jean-Marc Orliaguet | 11:27 |
| jpcw2002 | http://www.medic.chalmers.se/~jmo/ | 11:28 |
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| jpcw2002 | dlk:sorry i confuse you with Bhaskar ! | 11:29 |
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| dlk | jpcw2002: no problem :-) | 11:38 |
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| baijum | dobee, I saw your commit for buildoutification of zope.app.container, are you planning to do this for other packages in zope.app namespace ? | 13:42 |
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| dobee | baijum: yes probably, we are eggifying some of the lovely packages, and when we have a specific dependency we do buildout for those | 14:43 |
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| MarkB1 | how to I get the "direct" interface (not including creator, modifier, etc) for a Z3 object -- I found queryInterface somewheres, but appears to need a context obj | 23:03 |
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| timte | MarkB1: what do you mean? | 23:08 |
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| MarkB1 | timte: dumping an old Z4I ZODB for a customer -- almost done, except for Z3 content objs (folders working) | 23:09 |
| MarkB1 | mods to FSDump | 23:09 |
| MarkB1 | I am a decent Py guy, but looking at 2003 Z3 -- argh -- just finished PhilW's course | 23:09 |
| timte | what do you mean by "direct" interface? | 23:10 |
| MarkB1 | for a given Z3 obj, traversing ZODB, need to dump it's data by schema names (if I am correct) | 23:10 |
| MarkB1 | already getting the metadata by ICreateModifyTracker interf | 23:10 |
| MarkB1 | pseudo-codish attempt @ (realize, this is an add-on to FSDump product) ... | 23:13 |
| MarkB1 | http://zope3.pastey.net/8947 | 23:13 |
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| timte | do you have phil's book? | 23:14 |
| timte | iirc you can do something like "for field in interface: ..." | 23:15 |
| MarkB1 | timte: sure, but I don't know what the interf is, all I have is an obj from the ZODB -- but thank u | 23:16 |
| MarkB1 | timte: I do have PhilW's book | 23:16 |
| MarkB1 | 2ed | 23:16 |
| timte | do you want to know what interface an object provides? | 23:17 |
| timte | interfaces = directlyProvidedBy(object) | 23:17 |
| MarkB1 | timte: thank u, forgot that -- need my 1 page Z3 ref (ha ha), like the 1-page TGears ref ;) | 23:18 |
| MarkB1 | thanks | 23:18 |
| MarkB1 | that's a big help | 23:18 |
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