| walter | only make | 00:00 |
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| Theuni | ah, and then bin/mkzopeinstance, right? | 00:00 |
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| walter | yes | 00:01 |
| Theuni | ok, try this: create the directory 'cpsskins' in the lib/python directory in your zope instance. copy over the contents of the branch there. i guess that should work then, and it's the way that this is supposed to be done anyway. | 00:01 |
| walter | ok now i try | 00:01 |
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| walter | Theuni, sorry but doesn't work | 00:05 |
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| Theuni | hrn. | 00:06 |
| Theuni | I've gotta go to bed. You might want to try figuring out whether a) that branch is supposed to work b) you can pickup the 'import cpsskins' when putting the branch on your PYTHONPATH and then try to find out why Zope doesn't pick it up. I guess its some subtle configuration problem thats hard to support remotely. | 00:07 |
| d2m | think that cpsskins only ever worked with a svn checkout | 00:07 |
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| d2m | and, walter you should really checkout the zope revision mentioned in the Dependencies file | 00:08 |
| walter | d2m, i've checkout the zope revision mentionend in Dependencies file | 00:09 |
| walter | thanks Theuni | 00:09 |
| d2m | walter, it you run from a svn checkout there is no need to mkzopeinstance | 00:10 |
| walter | i've this error when to launch the bin/runzope : | 00:11 |
| walter | so you did that? | 00:11 |
| walter | ERROR: You need to create principals.zcml | 00:12 |
| walter | The file principals.zcml contains your "bootstrap" user | 00:12 |
| walter | database. You aren't going to get very far without it. Start | 00:12 |
| walter | by copying sample_principals.zcml and then modify the | 00:12 |
| walter | example principal and role settings. | 00:12 |
| d2m | walter, here is how http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/SettingUpAZope3Sandbox | 00:12 |
| walter | thanks again | 00:13 |
| d2m | some version numbers have changed in between... | 00:13 |
| d2m | but if you did a checkout of the said revision you simply run "python setup.py -q build_ext -i install_data --install-dir ." (with the right python interpreter), edit the prinbcipals.zcml file and start with bin/runzope | 00:15 |
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| walter | ok now start | 00:19 |
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| srichter | J1m: is there anywhere a text file describing how to get started with building eggs and buildout? | 16:44 |
| J1m | Buildout has extensive documentation, as does setuptools. | 16:44 |
| J1m | There is also my tutorial | 16:45 |
| * J1m looks up url... | 16:45 | |
| srichter | from pycon? | 16:45 |
| J1m | yes | 16:45 |
| srichter | I copied the 4 four files buildout.cfg, setup.py, bootstrap.py and setup.cfg from another project; I Guess I have to upload the egg somehow now and test whether it works standalone | 16:46 |
| J1m | I really need to check that in where other people can fix it. :) | 16:46 |
| srichter | I think a "documentation" section in svn.zope.org would be good | 16:46 |
| srichter | doc/BuildoutTutorial for example | 16:47 |
| J1m | http://us.pycon.org/common/talkdata/PyCon2007/116/buildout.pdf | 16:47 |
| srichter | thanks | 16:47 |
| srichter | ah, looks like an S5 presentation :-) | 16:47 |
| J1m | Yes, your s5 setup (modified by me) worked out very well. | 16:48 |
| J1m | The handouts were really the killer feature. | 16:48 |
| srichter | cool, I am glad you liked it | 16:48 |
| srichter | I think we should share the improvements to the theme at svn.zope.org | 16:49 |
| J1m | despite the fact that the handout style needs some work, people really like the way handouts were generated and I really liked the way handouts were authored. | 16:49 |
| J1m | Yes, I just haven't figure out a good way to package them. | 16:49 |
| J1m | I did finally package that one module as an egg. | 16:49 |
| srichter | you could just check them into the same location I had put the original for you | 16:50 |
| srichter | ah cool | 16:50 |
| J1m | In part to help the docutils folks figure out how I used entry points to provide a pligin system for docutils. | 16:50 |
| srichter | he he | 16:50 |
| srichter | what needs to be fixed about the handout mode? | 16:51 |
| J1m | The output needs more vertical spacing. | 16:53 |
| J1m | Sometimes paragraphs are stuck together. | 16:53 |
| srichter | right, I have my grief with that too | 16:53 |
| J1m | I adjusted the slide style a little bit, but my CSS foo is a bit weak. | 16:54 |
| srichter | you can always use custom classes, but a spacer element in REST would be nice | 16:54 |
| J1m | No | 16:54 |
| J1m | Some of the styles should be fixed. | 16:54 |
| srichter | another grief that I have is widowing and orphaning | 16:54 |
| J1m | adding hacks or support for them isn't the answer. | 16:54 |
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| srichter | CSS offers support, but the browsers do not seem to implement it yet | 16:54 |
| J1m | I also has some weirdness generating PDF. | 16:55 |
| J1m | Firefox on my mac tended to screw up indenting in extended code examples. | 16:55 |
| srichter | btw, Opera does better with the PDF/PS generation | 16:55 |
| J1m | But on linux it dudn't. | 16:55 |
| * J1m is too lazy to fool with alternate browsers. :) | 16:56 | |
| srichter | mmh, interesting; I have found Firefox also buggy when it comes to printing | 16:56 |
| srichter | :-) | 16:56 |
| J1m | I checked in the tutorial source. | 16:56 |
| srichter | I just fired up Opera, which is always installed and tried the print mode, otherwise I only use Konqueror as well ;-) | 16:56 |
| J1m | It would be really nice to go back and reduce the Z3 tutorial using S3. | 16:57 |
| J1m | So much to do, so little time. :( | 16:57 |
| srichter | yep, I agree | 16:57 |
| srichter | spring started and things got crazy again | 16:57 |
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| srichter | J1m: thanks for the tutorial; I am reading it now and the zope.event case is perfect for me to get started | 17:30 |
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| srichter | What does this error mean? "Distribution contains no modules or packages for namespace package 'z3c'" | 17:49 |
| srichter | J1m: do you have a quick answer to the problem above? | 17:53 |
| srichter | aha! got it. In our package structure z3c/ must contain an "__init__.py" file | 17:57 |
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| srichter | wow, I just had zope.interface, zope.pagetemplate and zope.testing as a requirement and pretty much all of Zope got pulled in | 19:31 |
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| srichter | it seems to be zope.pagetemplate that causes the dependencies to creep in | 19:35 |
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| mgedmin | that unconditional wait in ZEO when fetching every object might explain why the CPU is at most 60% busy during intensive zope request processing on my server | 21:32 |
| J1m | Unconditional wait? | 21:38 |
| J1m | What is an unconditional wait? | 21:38 |
| J1m | mgedmin, did you apply the change I made last week? | 21:39 |
| mgedmin | time.sleep(), IIRC | 21:39 |
| mgedmin | and no, I didn't (yet) | 21:39 |
| J1m | mgedmin, did you apply the change I made last week? | 21:39 |
| J1m | Well, that avoids the time.sleep call. | 21:39 |
| mgedmin | I was just wondering how to check what my HZ is | 21:39 |
| J1m | and yes, especially on Ubuntu, that will make a big difference. | 21:40 |
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| J1m | benji knows. :) | 21:40 |
| mgedmin | yup, ubuntu dapper here | 21:40 |
| benji | huh.. wha? | 21:40 |
| benji | oh, the easiest way is to do a "sysstat 1" and look at the "in" column | 21:41 |
| * philiKON signs up his mom for gmail paper | 21:41 | |
| benji | if it's just over 100, 250, or 1000, then that's your tick rate | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | vmstat continuously shows above 1000 in the in column | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | clever way to check it, thanks | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | whee, opening a 16+ thousand message maildir with mutt is fun | 21:42 |
| * benji guesses mgedmin is on some redhat-derrived distribution | 21:42 | |
| mgedmin | ubuntu dapper | 21:42 |
| mgedmin | well, edgy on this laptop | 21:42 |
| benji | really? Those are usually set at 250Hz | 21:43 |
| mgedmin | does anybody remember the subject of the thread that discussed sleeps in ZEO? | 21:43 |
| benji | IIRC, "ZEO vs. time.sleep"; I like obscure subjects | 21:43 |
| mgedmin | or a revision number of the fix? | 21:43 |
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| mgedmin | yes, beagle found it | 21:43 |
| mgedmin | I was looking in the wrong mailbox | 21:43 |
| mgedmin | (of course, beagle-search helpfully opens the emails in gedit) | 21:44 |
| benji | philiKON: I bet she'd like the Postgres storage engine for MySQL, too: http://krow.livejournal.com/502908.html | 21:44 |
| J1m | r73871 | 21:44 |
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| mgedmin | thanks, jim | 21:44 |
| philiKON | benji: certainly google's TiSP :) | 21:44 |
| benji | no doubt | 21:44 |
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| mgedmin | any chance of a backport for that fix (r73871) to ZEO/branches/3.6 ? | 21:55 |
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| J1m | mgedmin, someone just needs to do it. :) | 22:00 |
| mgedmin | I can do the svn merge; ./test; svn commit dance if there are no objections | 22:01 |
| J1m | None from me. | 22:01 |
| J1m | Sidnei was threatening to do some backports. | 22:01 |
| srichter | J1m: okay, I am getting the hang of the buildout process ;-) the tutorial is a great help | 22:07 |
| J1m | Cool. | 22:08 |
| J1m | Please feel free to fix typos and make other corrections. :) | 22:08 |
| srichter | I still do not know how to do devel eggs versus distribution eggs, but I think that will come over time | 22:08 |
| J1m | The main buildout pages talk about that some. | 22:09 |
| srichter | :-) I will; you know that I fix bugs when I see them | 22:09 |
| srichter | so far I like the process; it makes me want to learn more, which is good ;-) | 22:09 |
| J1m | yup | 22:09 |
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| srichter | ok, cool, z3c.rml-0.5 is on pipy | 22:10 |
| srichter | when would I want to upload my egg to zope.org/download? | 22:11 |
| srichter | and do I have permissions to do so? | 22:11 |
| J1m | I would upload it there if: | 22:11 |
| J1m | - It is of general interest to the zope community | 22:11 |
| J1m | - It isn't ready for PyPI | 22:12 |
| J1m | You have permission. | 22:12 |
| srichter | ok, cool | 22:12 |
| J1m | Just scp to download.zope.org/distribution. | 22:12 |
| srichter | got it thanks | 22:12 |
| mgedmin | dum-de-dum, a merge conflict | 22:14 |
| mgedmin | how nice... | 22:14 |
| J1m | Of course, you don't want to merge the bit that gets rid of the non-async-mode branch. | 22:15 |
| J1m | see the discussion I has w sidnei. | 22:15 |
| mgedmin | that sort of presumes I have the ability to tell that bit from any others | 22:15 |
| mgedmin | the conflict is in Connection.close() | 22:16 |
| srichter | ok, got the egg on download.zope.org as well; good going; I really like this now, especially the extra dependencies thing | 22:16 |
| J1m | Maybe he already merged. | 22:16 |
| srichter | see you guys later | 22:16 |
| srichter | J1m: thanks for your help! | 22:16 |
| J1m | mgedmin, look at the diff and see the discussion with sidnei. | 22:16 |
| mgedmin | the "Missing loader for multidatabase refs?" one? | 22:18 |
| J1m | No, this was on checkins. | 22:18 |
| J1m | I'll get you the url... | 22:18 |
| mgedmin | hm | 22:21 |
| mgedmin | the conflict is just because two statements were swapped some time between the head of the 3.6 branch and r73871 | 22:21 |
| mgedmin | __super_close() and self.close_trigger() | 22:21 |
| J1m | Man, that archive is hard to deal with. :( | 22:21 |
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| mgedmin | okay, my attempted merge breaks the tests | 22:22 |
| J1m | Oh crap | 22:24 |
| J1m | Sidnei sent me a private message. | 22:24 |
| J1m | I just forwarded a note from sidnei | 22:25 |
| J1m | --- lib/python/ZEO/zrpc/connection.py(revision 73322) | 22:26 |
| J1m | +++ lib/python/ZEO/zrpc/connection.py(working copy) | 22:26 |
| J1m | @@ -333,6 +333,9 @@ | 22:26 |
| J1m | self.closed = True | 22:26 |
| J1m | self.close_trigger() | 22:26 |
| J1m | self.__super_close() | 22:26 |
| J1m | + self.replies_cond.acquire() | 22:26 |
| J1m | + self.replies_cond.notifyAll() | 22:26 |
| J1m | + self.replies_cond.release() | 22:26 |
| J1m | 22:26 | |
| J1m | def close_trigger(self): | 22:26 |
| J1m | # Overridden by ManagedClientConnection. | 22:26 |
| J1m | @@ -627,7 +630,7 @@ | 22:26 |
| J1m | (msgid, short_repr(reply)), level=TRACE) | 22:26 |
| J1m | return reply | 22:26 |
| J1m | if self.is_async(): | 22:26 |
| J1m | - self.replies_cond.wait(10.0) | 22:26 |
| J1m | + self.replies_cond.wait() | 22:26 |
| J1m | else: | 22:26 |
| mgedmin | got it | 22:26 |
| J1m | self.replies_cond.release() | 22:26 |
| mgedmin | nice and short | 22:26 |
| J1m | try: | 22:26 |
| J1m | mgedmin, that's basically what you want. | 22:26 |
| J1m | Forget about the merge. | 22:26 |
| mgedmin | tests pass; test time went from 2m46s to 2m39s | 22:31 |
| J1m | That must be because of your unusual HZ setting. | 22:34 |
| J1m | On my desktop, the reduction was about 25% for the ZEO tests. | 22:35 |
| mgedmin | wasn't HZ=1000 the usual value for systems using the 2.6 kernel? | 22:35 |
| J1m | benji, would know the details. | 22:35 |
| * J1m likes waking benji | 22:35 | |
| J1m | I think the most common setting for Ubuntu "servers" 100Hz. | 22:36 |
| mgedmin | so, no objections to me comitting this to the 3.6 branch? | 22:36 |
| J1m | No | 22:36 |
| mgedmin | yay | 22:36 |
| J1m | I have a feeling that with your setting, you won't see much change in performance. | 22:36 |
| J1m | You're probably waiting for network IO | 22:37 |
| mgedmin | probably | 22:37 |
| mgedmin | ah, that could be it | 22:37 |
| mgedmin | hm, network IO over the loopback shouldn't report the CPU as idle | 22:39 |
| mgedmin | or does it? | 22:40 |
| * J1m shrugs | 22:40 | |
| * mgedmin wonder if system includes time the kernel spends processing interrupts | 22:40 | |
| * mgedmin wonders if benji knows the answer | 22:40 | |
| * mgedmin decides to merge the bit to the 3.7 branch as well | 22:42 | |
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| seonew | hi, what restrictions are in place when using python code in a page template? | 23:31 |
| seonew | i'm trying to use provides but I'm getting ForbiddenAttribute | 23:32 |
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