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| timte | So the gsoc project for python 2.5 was accepted? Great! | 15:01 |
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| ChrisW | hiya, what's the best way to override url processing in Zope3? provide my own IPublishTraverse for my objects? | 17:18 |
| ccomb | I would say yes | 17:19 |
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| softdevr | is there a simple way to access an object's name using TALES? | 20:28 |
| pbugni | object/id | 20:28 |
| pbugni | sry, that's the 'short_name' | 20:28 |
| pbugni | object/title ? | 20:28 |
| J1m | If the object provides ILocation, then: | 20:29 |
| J1m | object/__name__ | 20:29 |
| pbugni | listen to J1m :) | 20:29 |
| softdevr | that's what I tried, no doesn't work. Its an Image | 20:31 |
| pbugni | need to adapt Image to ILocation J1m ? | 20:32 |
| J1m | I doubt it. | 20:32 |
| faassen | softdevr: this Image is already in a container? before it's there it won't have one. | 20:32 |
| J1m | Is this an object that you got from a folder? | 20:32 |
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| faassen | J1m: good question! :) | 20:33 |
| softdevr | Its in a custom container | 20:33 |
| faassen | softdevr: what kind of error do you get when you try to use __name__? | 20:34 |
| softdevr | TypeError: tuple indices must be integers | 20:35 |
| ignas | is it a good idea to create indexes on the fly, instead of through subscribers on the application initialization ? | 20:35 |
| pbugni | chat your tales expression, softdevr | 20:35 |
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| faassen | ignas: what is 'on the fly'? | 20:36 |
| ignas | like if a user sorts by name in Lithuanian | 20:36 |
| ignas | and there is no such index | 20:36 |
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| ignas | the index is added to the catalog on the first search | 20:36 |
| faassen | ignas: there's no problem that I know of to create an index later. you just need to make sure it gets filled somehow. | 20:36 |
| ignas | at the moment sorting a list with 10K objects by title is very very fast, but if i want to do that with i18n in mind | 20:37 |
| ignas | retrieving the collation key for 10K objects takes a while | 20:37 |
| ignas | as in 3 seconds | 20:37 |
| ignas | i am thinking of adding a special index for every "language" vs IndexedLocaleAwareColumn combination if it gets too slow | 20:38 |
| ignas | hmm | 20:39 |
| ignas | a special index would make more sense though | 20:39 |
| ignas | it can just add one more dict to itself on every new language used for sorting | 20:39 |
| faassen | ignas: that's an idea. | 20:40 |
| ignas | thanks :) | 20:40 |
| faassen | ignas: it might also work to use multiple collections of objects and separate indexes altogether. i.e. several sub apps per locale. depends on how much your locales diverge in what data they expect. | 20:40 |
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| ignas | well - it's just sorting order for persons | 20:41 |
| ignas | utf-8 sorting is language dependant | 20:41 |
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| faassen | yeah. | 20:41 |
| faassen | I mean, if other aspects are expected to arise later. | 20:41 |
| faassen | besides sorting that would require different data storage. | 20:41 |
| ignas | nope, it's more like - i want to be able to change the language of the application without changing the database | 20:42 |
| faassen | right. | 20:42 |
| faassen | okay, then I guess you might need a magick index. :) | 20:42 |
| ignas | :D | 20:42 |
| faassen | or not an index, right? | 20:42 |
| faassen | indexes don't do the sorting bit. | 20:42 |
| ignas | no, but they allow me to get all the titles without waking up objects | 20:42 |
| ignas | sort and filter and batch 10k objects | 20:43 |
| ignas | show 10 of them | 20:43 |
| ignas | and wake up only 10 objects displayed | 20:43 |
| faassen | hm, that's interesting. | 20:43 |
| ignas | 0.2 seconds :D | 20:43 |
| ignas | schooltool trunk | 20:43 |
| ignas | last 5 days of work | 20:43 |
| ignas | ok, must run now, bye | 20:43 |
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| faassen | I wonde rwhether that approach is generalizable. | 20:43 |
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| bigkevmcd | oops | 22:29 |
| * jbb666 bangs head against buildout | 22:37 | |
| runyaga_ | please fix it before i get to it | 22:38 |
| runyaga_ | i cant stand anymore head banging | 22:38 |
| J1m | jbb666, what troubles you. | 22:39 |
| runyaga_ | J1m, i am verifying.. but i think dieter was spot-on. iptables was filtering (allowing the port) on the internal interface | 22:39 |
| runyaga_ | and that may have been causing problems; have not had any problems since | 22:40 |
| J1m | cool | 22:40 |
| J1m | jbb666, maybe http://us.pycon.org/common/talkdata/PyCon2007/116/buildout.pdf would help. | 22:40 |
| J1m | or http://svn.zope.org/zc.buildout/trunk/doc/tutorial.txt?view=auto | 22:41 |
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| jbb666 | i'm getting a couple errors that are difficult to reproduce but seems to be related to develop eggs trying to access their working set.... | 22:46 |
| J1m | hm, develop eggs accessing working sets .... | 22:47 |
| J1m | sounds exotic. | 22:47 |
| jbb666 | or not .. the error is from zc.buildout.easy_install: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'endswith' | 22:49 |
| J1m | Hm, I wonder what line that's on. | 22:49 |
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| J1m | jbb666, you know, you can use the -D option to get a traceback. | 22:53 |
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| Theuni_ | runyaga_: aaah. good to know. i used to ask that question to my roommates years ago when they where reporting errors with their systems and had "personal firewalls" running. Didn't expect to meet that one again. ;) | 23:24 |
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| dunny | J1m: I struggling with zc.buildout running under python 2.3. Should buildout run in python 2.3? | 23:28 |
| runyaga_ | Theuni_, lets give it 2-3 weeks without any errors first before claiming victory.. | 23:28 |
| J1m | dunny, yes | 23:28 |
| dunny | J1m: okay, I'll keep trying then, feels like I'm looking at temp file problems at the moment | 23:29 |
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| Theuni_ | runyaga_: ;) at least you found some knob that was doing something wrong ... | 23:31 |
| runyaga_ | yes | 23:31 |
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| Theuni_ | bedtime for me | 23:32 |
| dunny | J1m: this is what I'm seeing at the moment http://zope3.pastey.net/12203 | 23:32 |
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| J1m | Hm. Python 2.3 on the mac. | 23:35 |
| J1m | Is this the system Python or one you built yourself. | 23:35 |
| J1m | ? | 23:35 |
| dunny | J1m: OS X, yeah, pretty sure that is my own build | 23:35 |
| dunny | just trying on a different host now, FreeBSD this time | 23:35 |
| J1m | I could never get a 2.3 build to work correctly. | 23:35 |
| dunny | heh | 23:36 |
| J1m | I don't remember why. | 23:36 |
| J1m | I'm lazy so I didn't try hard. | 23:36 |
| J1m | I test buildout on my mac using the system Python. | 23:36 |
| * faassen chuckles at the idea of J1m being lazy. | 23:36 | |
| faassen | J1m: *I* am lazy, so I know you're not. :) | 23:37 |
| J1m | lazy is one of my best qualities. | 23:37 |
| faassen | J1m: gosh, mine too! :) | 23:37 |
| faassen | J1m: this makes my other qualities very minor indeed, but still. :) | 23:38 |
| J1m | dunny, I'm getting the same error. | 23:41 |
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| faassen | I wonder what's doing chmod. | 23:42 |
| J1m | The tarfile module. | 23:42 |
| faassen | J1m: did you see my bugreport about cmmi and unzipping and no chmod there? | 23:42 |
| dunny | yeah, just tried with system 2.3 too, same error | 23:42 |
| faassen | J1m: yeah, I just got reminded of my bug report. :) | 23:42 |
| J1m | faassen, yes | 23:42 |
| faassen | J1m: pyweek-generated bug. :) | 23:43 |
| faassen | J1m: (the game programming thing) | 23:43 |
| J1m | I remember | 23:43 |
| dunny | but python 2.3 on another host (FreeBSD) builtout okay | 23:43 |
| dunny | now trying the buildout tests there | 23:44 |
| J1m | Note that the buildout tests are a pain to run. | 23:44 |
| J1m | Because it needs a couple of versions of Python. | 23:44 |
| J1m | You'll get an error that should tell you what to do. | 23:45 |
| ignas | faassen: as for the generalization - it is generalized, i mean i have everything "narrowed" down to formatter = ITableFormatter(table, request); formatter.setUp(); formatter.render() | 23:45 |
| faassen | ignas: very cool. | 23:45 |
| ignas | faassen: which does indexing, sorting, filtering and batching for any Container in schooltool | 23:45 |
| faassen | ignas: would be nice if we coudl get that packaged for some generic svn.zope.org package. | 23:45 |
| faassen | ignas: do I need to bug Mark Shuttleworth for ZPL assignment first? | 23:47 |
| ignas | faassen: yes, i am thinking about it, but i am afraid i will not have enough time to do it properly (schooltool batching is not good enough to be packaged) + i would have to resolve legal issues as it would be "schooltool.table" | 23:47 |
| faassen | ignas: right, I can help with legal issues by just bugging the right people. | 23:47 |
| ignas | i see | 23:47 |
| dunny | J1m: this is the test report http://zope3.pastey.net/12205 | 23:47 |
| faassen | ignas: heck, I'm ZF board. I can bug people quite officially if I can get the rest of the board to agree. :) | 23:48 |
| dunny | J1m: there are other pythons on that host already | 23:48 |
| faassen | ignas: I can also help find volunteers for the code extraction. | 23:48 |
| ignas | faassen: if someone would bug me to package it - it would get packaged ;) | 23:48 |
| faassen | ignas: hm. | 23:48 |
| ignas | you only need volunteers to bug me ;) | 23:48 |
| faassen | ignas: okay, could you drop me an email at faassen@startifact.com just pointing out what in SVN we'd like to generalize and move? | 23:49 |
| faassen | ignas: then I'll see whether I can get the bureaucratic stuff in motion. | 23:49 |
| ignas | ok | 23:49 |
| J1m | dunny, I dunno, I always run the tests from the project. | 23:49 |
| faassen | ignas: what woudl be great if you could write a description of what you're up to to zope3-dev or some blog or whatever. | 23:49 |
| faassen | ignas: that way we can drum up some public attention for it. | 23:49 |
| faassen | ignas: and that might draw in volunteers. | 23:49 |
| J1m | If you wish, you can file a bug report that you get failures when running from an egg. | 23:50 |
| dunny | J1m: yup, looks like at least some of that report is trying to tell me that :-) | 23:50 |
| dunny | so zc.buildout should and does work on python 2.3 | 23:50 |
| dunny | somehow OS X Python 2.3 has some quirks | 23:50 |
| J1m | There are also potential issues if you use shared eggs directories as that can effect the output. | 23:51 |
| J1m | well, I run the zc.buildout tests with 2.3. | 23:51 |
| J1m | Including on the mac. | 23:51 |
| J1m | I don't do a lot of work with 2.3. | 23:51 |
| J1m | It's possible that there are problems that the tests don't catch. | 23:51 |
| J1m | The tar error is a bit weird and suggests that something is broken. | 23:52 |
| dunny | my wild guess is some problem with temporary directories or files | 23:52 |
| dunny | and when I try to use -D I see things like | 23:53 |
| dunny | File "/private/tmp/tmpLM8PEN/zc.buildout-1.0.0b23-py2.3.egg/zc/buildout/easy_install.py", line 291, in _call_easy_install | 23:53 |
| dunny | where /private/tmp/tmpLM8PEN | 23:53 |
| dunny | does not exist | 23:53 |
| dunny | well I can't see it once I'm dumped into the pdb prompt | 23:53 |
| J1m | It probably existed when the exception was raised. | 23:54 |
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| dunny | and the same directory is referenced on the next run | 23:54 |
| J1m | zc.buildout cleans up temporary directories. | 23:54 |
| dunny | "tmpLM8PEN" is repeated | 23:54 |
| * J1m shrugs | 23:54 | |
| ignas | faassen: sent you the email with links to source code | 23:55 |
| faassen | ignas: thanks! | 23:55 |
| faassen | ignas: see it in my inbox. | 23:55 |
| dunny | J1m: what should happen when using post mortem debugging and there is an error as reported in the first traceback of http://zope3.pastey.net/12203 ? | 23:56 |
| dunny | pdb should land me in that first traceback? | 23:57 |
| J1m | No, It is (effectively) running easy_install to install the distribution. | 23:58 |
| J1m | This is being done in a subprocess. | 23:58 |
| dunny | ah | 23:58 |
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| dunny | cool, thanks | 23:58 |
| J1m | so no, it can't get you into that stack. :( | 23:59 |
| J1m | No, not cool. | 23:59 |
| dunny | heh, indeed | 23:59 |
| dunny | I expect all my python processes to have a -D flag now days | 23:59 |
| dunny | thanks to zope.testing | 23:59 |
| J1m | :) | 23:59 |
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