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| berent | anyone here | 11:45 |
| berent | !ask | 11:45 |
| Theuni_ | ? | 11:46 |
| berent | I have a plone setup I placed the archecsv folder at Products folder but am getting error when i give an importer id | 11:48 |
| berent | can u help me Theuni_ | 11:48 |
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| goschtl | berent: try to ask in the plone channel #plone, and maybe the id exists already in your folder. anyway try to paste your traceback on paste.plone.org or so. | 11:50 |
| berent | it doesn;t exist | 11:50 |
| berent | i get a reference catalog error goschtl | 11:50 |
| berent | when i went to site it said to reinstall archetypes folder - how to do it? | 11:51 |
| lurker | berent: #plone please | 11:51 |
| berent | lurker ok but tell me whats difference between plone and zope | 11:52 |
| * lurker grins | 11:52 | |
| berent | ok ok | 11:53 |
| berent | i understand that zope is web server and plone provides UI | 11:53 |
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| berent | is it so? | 11:53 |
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| berent | lurker?????? | 11:56 |
| lurker | kind of, zope provides the app server, but it's zope2 not zope3 | 11:58 |
| berent | what does zope3 do | 11:59 |
| berent | lurker | 12:00 |
| lurker | it's the next generation of zope | 12:00 |
| berent | is it app + web server? | 12:00 |
| berent | or is it app + web server + ui ? lurker | 12:01 |
| lurker | very little ui in z3, berent | 12:01 |
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| berent | lurker where do i see error log | 12:09 |
| berent | lurker where do i see error log | 12:13 |
| ccomb | in the terminal in which you started z3 (provided you enabled debug mode in zope.conf), or in the browser if you use the debug skin | 12:15 |
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| ignas | Theuni_: ayt? | 16:05 |
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| Theuni_ | ignas: ack | 16:09 |
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| ignas | Theuni_: how comes that iteration through OOBTree keys or items is waking up stuff (putting load on the database)? | 16:10 |
| ignas | i somehow assumed that keys() and even items() should only access the BTree | 16:10 |
| Theuni_ | items has to wake up things as you ask it for the objects | 16:10 |
| Theuni_ | i thought keys wouldn't | 16:11 |
| Theuni_ | oh | 16:11 |
| Theuni_ | it's an oobtree | 16:11 |
| Theuni_ | well | 16:11 |
| Theuni_ | your keys are objects, right? | 16:11 |
| Theuni_ | so it has to wake them up | 16:11 |
| ignas | Strings really | 16:11 |
| Theuni_ | getting the keys doesn't trigger getting the values though | 16:11 |
| Theuni_ | IMHO | 16:11 |
| Theuni_ | well, strings have to be loaded too ;) | 16:11 |
| ignas | i know | 16:11 |
| ignas | i somehow thought that items() would only do this ghost object thingie | 16:12 |
| ignas | and only wake up objects if i access attributes on them | 16:12 |
| Theuni_ | strings aren't ghosted | 16:12 |
| Theuni_ | only objects that are derived from persistent.Persistent can be ghosted IMHO | 16:13 |
| ignas | and it seems that it's faster to have an index for __name__ and iterate through the index than to access the keys() | 16:13 |
| ignas | yes, well - i am storing Person objects in the container | 16:13 |
| ignas | with string keys | 16:13 |
| Theuni_ | ok | 16:13 |
| Theuni_ | so the string keys get loaded | 16:13 |
| Theuni_ | ah | 16:13 |
| Theuni_ | the ghosting doesn't give you anything here | 16:13 |
| Theuni_ | the object itself is woken up | 16:14 |
| Theuni_ | but | 16:14 |
| Theuni_ | any persistent subobjects are ghosted first and only loaded when you access those | 16:14 |
| ignas | i see | 16:14 |
| ignas | ouch | 16:14 |
| Theuni_ | however, the first object itself has to be put into state | 16:14 |
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| ignas | i assumed that anything in ZODB is ghosted unless you access it's attributes | 16:15 |
| ignas | but with keys - why is catalog['__name__index'].documents_to_values.items() so much faster than container.keys() | 16:16 |
| ignas | both of them work with strings | 16:16 |
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| ignas | or is it the difference between some StringOBTree and OOBTree | 16:21 |
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| ACSpike[Work] | is the Zope 3 developer's handbook pdf available online more current than the purple paperback version I have (printed in 2005)? | 16:49 |
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| nathany | philiKON: does Grok have an ordered container available? | 16:50 |
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| philiKON | nathany: no, but... we accept patches :) | 17:15 |
| nathany | philiKON: thanks; i'm about 20 minutes into grok, so it may be a bit before i'm to the point of writing a patch :) | 17:16 |
| philiKON | :) | 17:16 |
| ignas | Theuni_: any ideas why the speed difference? | 17:18 |
| Theuni_ | ignas: puh. nah. | 17:23 |
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