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| philiKON_ | edgordon: http://svn.zope.org/zope.contentprovider/ | 00:03 |
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| edgordon | i saw that. i just thought it was odd that it was only there, while most of the other packages had made their way to cheeseshop. just wanted to make sure it was still in use | 00:04 |
| philiKON_ | yes | 00:04 |
| philiKON_ | the availability on the cheeseshop isn't representative atm | 00:04 |
| philiKON_ | something which should change soon | 00:04 |
| philiKON_ | now that we have ppix | 00:04 |
| philiKON_ | and no longer need to maintain download.zope.org/distribution | 00:05 |
| wiggy | has ppix been properly accepted by now? | 00:05 |
| philiKON_ | as far as i could tell, the response was positive | 00:06 |
| philiKON_ | it seems that MvL would like to include it into the cheeseshop proper | 00:06 |
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| wiggy | as soon as he has time, which is somewhere 2008? | 00:25 |
| philiKON_ | well, no, he would like to *see* it integrated... :) | 00:27 |
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| philiKON_ | nathany: re cc.gettext: have you considered using the pygettext module to do the work, rather than forking a process? | 01:19 |
| nathany | philiKON_: I thought there was a python way to do it, but couldn't find it in the 30 seconds i spent looking | 01:20 |
| nathany | is that part of python or zope? | 01:20 |
| philiKON_ | apparently it's part of python even: http://docs.python.org/lib/module-gettext.html | 01:21 |
| philiKON_ | except that only seems to provide the read api | 01:21 |
| philiKON_ | not necessarily the msgfmt stuff | 01:21 |
| philiKON_ | nathany: you want this: http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi/python-gettext/ | 01:21 |
| philiKON_ | god bless hannosch :) | 01:21 |
| nathany | ah, cool | 01:22 |
| nathany | great, thanks philiKON_ | 01:22 |
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| nathany | if i my recipe has a dependency (ie, python-gettext), is adding it to install_requires enough to get it on the python path @ buildout time? | 01:29 |
| nathany | (rephrased, it doesn't seem to be enough -- am i missing something?) | 01:29 |
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| philiKON_ | nathany: the recipe should state it in its own install_requires | 01:34 |
| philiKON_ | which should be enough | 01:34 |
| nathany | philiKON_: hrm; that's what I did, but it still complains; i'm doing some more looking | 01:35 |
| philiKON_ | hmm, sounds like a bug in zc.buildout then | 01:35 |
| nathany | oh, weird | 01:35 |
| nathany | nope, nevermind... outdated example in the python-gettext stuff | 01:35 |
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| philiKON_ | waaaaa | 02:45 |
| philiKON_ | whoever invented to use 'self' as a marker? | 02:45 |
| pbugni | some silly java programmer, i'm sure :) | 02:46 |
| pbugni | of course, it dates further back than java - context? | 02:47 |
| philiKON_ | i'm talking about getattr(self, key, self) is not self | 02:48 |
| philiKON_ | this backfires when self.key is self | 02:48 |
| philiKON_ | (which you may have to do for BBB sometimes) | 02:48 |
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| fcorrea | Hey there. Is there any event that is sent upon error? I need to write a subscriber for it....if not, what is the top level interface for sending a custom event? | 05:07 |
| fcorrea | I was looking at IException but not sure if its enough though | 05:08 |
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| romanofski | moin :) | 09:57 |
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| timte | Would it be possible to distribute zope clients to nontrusted parties? Is it possible to make this safe, preventing them from modifying the zope cient and do any writes they want to ZEO? | 12:38 |
| bigkevmcd | I'd say no | 12:41 |
| bigkevmcd | they could always install another zeo client, and connect to the supplied zeo | 12:41 |
| bigkevmcd | as long as they have a username... | 12:41 |
| timte | yeah, probably it's not possible to verify the client | 12:47 |
| bigkevmcd | there are too many ways to get at a Data.fs | 12:49 |
| bigkevmcd | you could copy it and open it in a non-Zeo zope instance | 12:50 |
| bigkevmcd | and set the inituser, which would allow you to change the password | 12:50 |
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| goschtl | hi has anybody knowledge of the package http://svn.zope.org/soap/trunk/ | 13:07 |
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| zagy | hrm | 14:05 |
| zagy | z3c.form doesn't really work with zc.sourcefactory, yet,... | 14:05 |
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| fil | I have an old zope2 system that acts as a front-end to a psql database, and I thought I'd use updating it as an excuse to look at zope3, but I seem to be falling at the first fence, since setting up a Psycopg DA instance results in complaints about tzinfo being an int | 17:25 |
| fil | should I even be using Psycopg? and if so how do I shut it up about tzinfo? | 17:26 |
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| fil | (BTW the Psycopg connection is clearly vaguely working, as I can get it to complain if I specify non-existant tables in selects, say) | 17:27 |
| edgordon | i have seen that error but i can't remember how i get of it | 17:28 |
| edgordon | but i do think psycopg is the way to go | 17:28 |
| edgordon | i haven't had any trouble on that end of it, but it does always seem to be an ordeal to setup | 17:28 |
| fil | my somewhat clueless attempt to track it down left me with the impression that I'd probably failed to set up a system-wide connection between the OS's timezone, and the python/zope's instance of tzinfo | 17:30 |
| fil | but I really don't know my way around python (I gave up on this aplication the first time round becasue zope2 seemed documented on the basis that one thought in python, and was the author of zope ;-) | 17:31 |
| edgordon | i don't remember having to do anything like that | 17:32 |
| fil | ok, well that's good -- in case it helps, the exact error I'm seeing is: | 17:33 |
| fil | Thu Aug 2 15:22:29 2007 phil, zope.manager, Manager, TypeError: tzinfo argument must be None or of a tzinfo subclass, not type 'int' | 17:33 |
| edgordon | are you using sqlos? | 17:36 |
| fil | not as far as I know -- I've just installed zope3 and python-psycopg packages on a debian etch system | 17:37 |
| rocky|away | hey i'm just getting started with zc.buildout ... is there any way to say that my buildout should include everything (all parts, etc) of a third-party buildout but add more ? in an effort to not duplicate stuff? | 17:37 |
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| wiggy | extends = xxx.cfg | 17:38 |
| rocky | so that means i'd have to check out both buildouts and then make buildout #2 reference buildout #1's xxx.cfg using that syntax? | 17:39 |
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| wiggy | oh, really different buildouts? no | 17:47 |
| wiggy | you write recipes if you want to reuse | 17:47 |
| philiKON | wiggy: i think rocky really did mean the extends= thing | 18:02 |
| wiggy | the 'check out both buildouts' makes me suspect he didn't | 18:03 |
| philiKON | hmm | 18:03 |
| edgordon | does the add menu not check preconditions? it seems to work when i uses contains(), but when i use my precondition, it just shows every addable item, but then my precondition correctly returns an invalid error when i try to add an invalid item. | 18:03 |
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| timte | "The required version of setuptools (>=0.6c6) is not available, and can't be installed while this script is running." | 18:57 |
| timte | Why can't it be installed? Do I have to install a more recent setuptools in system python? | 18:58 |
| timte | this is buildout throwing the error btw | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | I used easy_install to get a newer version of setuptools (in /usr/local, 'cause I'm tidy about my system) and buildout stopped complaining | 18:59 |
| timte | yeah I can do that, but I hoped there was something else I could do | 19:00 |
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| nathany | is there an attribute on a zope.i18n.locale to determine if the locale is RTL or LTR? | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | I'd like to know why buildout wants that version specifically, but that's just idle curiosity | 19:03 |
| mgedmin | I assume there's a good reason | 19:03 |
| mgedmin | nathany: no idea, sorry | 19:03 |
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| nathany | found it -- request.locale.orientation | 19:05 |
| nathany | .lines or .characters | 19:05 |
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| J1m | faassen | 20:52 |
| faassen | J1m: J1m :) | 20:52 |
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| faassen | J1m: what's up? | 20:53 |
| J1m | did you see the email I just sent? | 20:53 |
| faassen | J1m: to where? to me? | 20:53 |
| J1m | I looked for you here first, but you weren't here. | 20:53 |
| J1m | yes you | 20:53 |
| faassen | ah, there it is. | 20:53 |
| J1m | I was wondering how martian was coming along. | 20:53 |
| faassen | martian is not really the place that should do generate actions. it's up to the users of martian to generate those actions. | 20:53 |
| faassen | and Grok at this point still doesn't generate proper actions. | 20:54 |
| faassen | but martian is really zope independent. | 20:54 |
| J1m | hm, ok | 20:54 |
| faassen | it's the thing that goes through code and triggers side effects, which may be CA action registrations. | 20:54 |
| faassen | J1m: what are you looking for, though? | 20:54 |
| J1m | I want to DRI without having to swallow grok. | 20:55 |
| faassen | J1m: I was thinking we could try just generating actions compatible with the z3 ones, and use the same ..now what are they called.. the conflict detection thingers. | 20:55 |
| faassen | J1m: distinguishers. something like that. :) | 20:55 |
| J1m | descrominators | 20:55 |
| faassen | J1m: discriminators, right. | 20:55 |
| J1m | discrominators | 20:55 |
| faassen | :) | 20:55 |
| faassen | discriminators. :) | 20:55 |
| faassen | I got it! | 20:55 |
| J1m | discriminators | 20:55 |
| faassen | I can read jimonese. | 20:55 |
| faassen | http://svn.zope.org/martian/trunk/src/martian/README.txt?rev=76820&view=auto | 20:56 |
| faassen | has the martian doctest. | 20:56 |
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| faassen | anyway, so it depends on what you're looking for. if you are looking for something that can dig up classes and instances from code and then do things. | 20:56 |
| faassen | then Martian's your alien. | 20:56 |
| faassen | if you need to look up things that implement particular interfaces, Martian isn't your alien, but it'd be easy to convince him. | 20:57 |
| J1m | sp sounds like something I should build on. | 20:57 |
| J1m | so sounds like something I should build on. | 20:57 |
| faassen | I hope you can. | 20:57 |
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| faassen | anyway I guess the best thing to decide that is to read Martian's readme. | 20:58 |
| J1m | another option is to have decorators scribble into a data structure in the module namespace. | 20:58 |
| J1m | which would be easier to find. | 20:58 |
| faassen | right. we do that in some cases in grok too. | 20:58 |
| faassen | and martian can grok modules too. | 20:58 |
| J1m | I'm a little nervous about importing modules implicitly. | 20:58 |
| faassen | using a GlobalGrokker. | 20:59 |
| faassen | yeah, that's a risk, though so far we haven't had anyone have trouble with it with grokked code. | 20:59 |
| J1m | I'd sort of like to have a gesture in zcml that says "look in these modules". | 20:59 |
| faassen | sure. | 20:59 |
| faassen | that'd be easy to build on top of martian. | 20:59 |
| J1m | But I haven't thought about it much. | 20:59 |
| faassen | just use ModuleGrokker. | 21:00 |
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| J1m | But if I did that and if the decorators scribbled in a single data structure, I wouldn't really need or necessarily want martian. | 21:00 |
| faassen | sure, if you'd only use decorators to scribble into a data structure you might not want to. | 21:00 |
| faassen | but it's nice to know about inheritance and classes. | 21:01 |
| J1m | If you say so. :) | 21:01 |
| faassen | well, you could have a base class, say, grok.View | 21:01 |
| faassen | and a subclass, say, grok.Form | 21:01 |
| J1m | uh huh | 21:01 |
| faassen | and then you'd like grok.View to have a grokker that registers the view and grok.Form to do the form stuff. | 21:01 |
| J1m | Jim *smash* inheritence! | 21:02 |
| * faassen grins. | 21:02 | |
| faassen | everything in moderation. :) | 21:02 |
| J1m | :) | 21:02 |
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| faassen | anyway, even if you use interfaces. | 21:02 |
| J1m | That's not what I was thinking of. | 21:03 |
| faassen | you might still want to know about class structures on which these interfaces are used on. | 21:03 |
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| faassen | anyway, decorators that scribble into the module's data structure will help, but only with functions. | 21:03 |
| J1m | right, until Python 3 (or 2.6). In the mean time, I'd use advisers. | 21:04 |
| faassen | anyway, for classes I think using advisers that scribble into the module is a bit redundant. | 21:05 |
| faassen | the object you want to do things for is right there, it's class. | 21:05 |
| faassen | it's the class. | 21:05 |
| faassen | you're likely going to end up asking it things anyway. | 21:05 |
| * J1m shrugs | 21:06 | |
| faassen | so why not have the adviser scribble a bit onto the class and then find the class directly. | 21:06 |
| J1m | Because I don't like the idea of rumaging around in the module. | 21:06 |
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| faassen | okay, but frequently you want the result of the adviser action also to influence the subclasses. | 21:07 |
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| faassen | like, imagine you said grok.require('some.permission') on your page. | 21:08 |
| faassen | it'd be nice if a subclass of that page also got that bit. | 21:08 |
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| J1m | If you say so. | 21:08 |
| faassen | anyway, I'll leave you to invent any wheels you like. :) | 21:09 |
| J1m | :) | 21:09 |
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| J1m | You can ignore my email now. :) | 21:11 |
| faassen | and if you can extract actions from ZCML implementation so we can reuse them that'd be cool. :) | 21:12 |
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| J1m | zope.configuration *should* support actions w/o zcml now. | 21:13 |
| J1m | But given that we | 21:13 |
| J1m | But given that we've only used the xml format for a long while, I can imagine that that has atrophied. | 21:13 |
| faassen | I imagine it does, it's just that it'd be nice to be reuse some of the ZCML action implementations. | 21:14 |
| faassen | to have a bit of a formal contract about what a discriminator is doing, perhaps. | 21:14 |
| J1m | I also want to implement my old action filtering proposal soon, so I suspect that a good place to start would be to implement a basic action-generating API from Python. | 21:14 |
| faassen | I mean, I imagine it's not atrophied. | 21:14 |
| faassen | okay, that'd be very cool to have. | 21:14 |
| faassen | I talked to theuni at Europython about it a bit. | 21:14 |
| J1m | The action semantics are defined by zope.configuration *not* by the xml syntax. | 21:15 |
| faassen | and he had some ideas which I now forget about this, but that sounded good. :) | 21:15 |
| faassen | right, I know. | 21:15 |
| faassen | I know that zope.configuration should be reusable. | 21:15 |
| J1m | why wouldn't it be? | 21:15 |
| faassen | it's just that individual action implementations are not reusable. like, registering something. | 21:15 |
| faassen | I know it *is* reusable. | 21:15 |
| faassen | I'm not talking about the action handling bits. | 21:16 |
| faassen | I know that's generic. | 21:16 |
| J1m | actually, individual handlers often are reusable and are often reused. | 21:16 |
| faassen | I'm talking about the actual implementation of various handlers. | 21:16 |
| faassen | yeah, but they are tied in with ZCML a bit more. | 21:16 |
| faassen | anyway, we'll see. | 21:16 |
| J1m | I don't think so. | 21:16 |
| faassen | okay, let's just say that I don't *WANT* to reuse browser:page | 21:17 |
| J1m | The handlers are passed data that has nothing to do with the xml format. | 21:17 |
| J1m | The actions don't have anything to do with the format. | 21:17 |
| faassen | but the schema for the directives is not necessary the ideal schema for other usages. | 21:17 |
| faassen | necessarily. | 21:17 |
| faassen | I mean, I've dealt with ZCML before, I do have some basic understanding of what's going on in there. :) | 21:18 |
| faassen | I realize that you define a new directive with a schema. | 21:18 |
| faassen | it's just that it feels a bit scary to depend on those actions from a completely different configuration system. | 21:18 |
| J1m | The schemas support the parsing. | 21:18 |
| J1m | The handlers are just Python functions for the most part. | 21:19 |
| faassen | yes, I know. | 21:19 |
| faassen | and they may be reusable, or they may not be, from grok. | 21:19 |
| faassen | we will find out how many actions we need to define for our own purposes once we do it. | 21:19 |
| faassen | and doing this will probably give us some data on which actions can be shared, all or few. | 21:20 |
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| fcorrea | Hey, does anybody know if any event is sent when a Exception occurs in zope2.9? I want to write a event subscriber for this | 22:29 |
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| t3h_sood | Does zope3 go through some sort of special process while creating an object through an addForm, like, something extra that isn't just a constructor? | 22:56 |
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| wiggy | it's been down for hours now, but teasing me with being up for a few minutes occasionally | 23:09 |
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| benji | wiggy: have you tried ppix? | 23:14 |
| wiggy | I forgot how to use it | 23:14 |
| benji | You can put "index = http://download.zope.org/ppix" in the [buildout] | 23:14 |
| benji | section of your config. | 23:14 |
| wiggy | does that work in ~/.buildout/default.cfg as well? | 23:15 |
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| benji | wiggy: should | 23:24 |
| benji | Note that you may be as much as *one minute* out of date using ppix. <wink> | 23:25 |
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| fcorrea | What is the best way to create a hook for a error or if possible, send a event upon error? | 23:33 |
| fcorrea | I am in zope2.9 and don | 23:33 |
| fcorrea | don't want to put a notify statement in the middle of OFS.SimpleItem. Is there a way for doing this? | 23:33 |
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