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| philiKON_ | hey WebMaven | 00:40 |
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| WebMaven | philiKON_: hi | 00:40 |
| philiKON_ | WebMaven: i assume you've seen my noise about zopeproject | 00:40 |
| WebMaven | Hey, I did a very short demo of zopeproject on Saturday. | 00:40 |
| WebMaven | Yes. | 00:40 |
| philiKON_ | demo as in presentation? | 00:40 |
| WebMaven | at least the checkins. | 00:41 |
| WebMaven | yes. | 00:41 |
| philiKON_ | cool | 00:41 |
| WebMaven | It was a last-minute thing. I was lame. | 00:41 |
| philiKON_ | 0.4 is much better than 0.3.x | 00:41 |
| philiKON_ | too bad i only finished it so late | 00:41 |
| WebMaven | but some video or audio should be available eventually. | 00:41 |
| WebMaven | I forgot to mention your name. | 00:41 |
| * WebMaven hangs head in shame. | 00:42 | |
| philiKON_ | heh. i could care less | 00:42 |
| WebMaven | I have a usability issue | 00:42 |
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| philiKON_ | zopeproject is just all about putting great pieces together. there's little invention there | 00:42 |
| philiKON_ | ok? | 00:42 |
| WebMaven | on a 'virgin' OS, zopeproject tries to get a dev version of ZODB3, and it fails if it can't compile. | 00:43 |
| philiKON_ | (btw, i will start using zopeproject for real in the zope 3 training this week... this should give it a good shakeout) | 00:43 |
| philiKON_ | yeah | 00:43 |
| philiKON_ | sigh | 00:43 |
| philiKON_ | i should really add prefer-final=true to the buildout.cfg template | 00:44 |
| philiKON_ | problem is that that won't do much good now | 00:44 |
| WebMaven | on windows, workaround is to easy_install ZODB3 directly and copy to cache directory. | 00:44 |
| philiKON_ | because even 3.8.0 isn't final yet | 00:44 |
| philiKON_ | it's still in beta | 00:44 |
| philiKON_ | actually a nicer workaround is to pin point the zodb3 version in buildout.cfg | 00:44 |
| WebMaven | but on Linux this didn't work. | 00:44 |
| philiKON_ | you add a versions sections to your buildout.cfg | 00:45 |
| WebMaven | Well, sure, but a solution that involves editing a file will scare newbies. | 00:45 |
| philiKON_ | like here http://svn.zope.org/grok/trunk/buildout.cfg?rev=79107&view=auto | 00:45 |
| philiKON_ | oh, i hear ya | 00:45 |
| philiKON_ | this isn't zopeproject's fault | 00:45 |
| philiKON_ | we just need to get to stable releases | 00:45 |
| philiKON_ | for everything | 00:45 |
| philiKON_ | then prefer-final will make sense | 00:45 |
| philiKON_ | right now zodb3.8.0b2 and zodb3.9.0devXXX look the same to buildout | 00:46 |
| philiKON_ | both are development releases | 00:46 |
| philiKON_ | even though we have good binaries for 3.8.0b2 | 00:46 |
| philiKON_ | it just doesn't know that | 00:46 |
| philiKON_ | once we have stable stuff for everything, this is a non-issue | 00:46 |
| WebMaven | Sure. | 00:46 |
| philiKON_ | of course, it'd be even nicer if we could also tackle that working set problem | 00:46 |
| philiKON_ | but we might just get to final releases sooner | 00:46 |
| philiKON_ | who knows :) | 00:46 |
| philiKON_ | at this rate, global warming is probably going to get us first | 00:47 |
| wiggy | tortoise and hare? | 00:47 |
| wiggy | tortoise and snail? :) | 00:47 |
| philiKON_ | something like that | 00:47 |
| philiKON_ | WebMaven: i did add instructions to the README on how to install mingw | 00:47 |
| philiKON_ | WebMaven: with that you can compile everything on windows | 00:47 |
| philiKON_ | i've tested that at least on XP | 00:48 |
| WebMaven | philiKON_: note that directly easy_install -ing ZODB3 *did* work on windows... no compiling was necessary. | 00:48 |
| philiKON_ | i know | 00:48 |
| philiKON_ | because easy_install doesn't see the 3.9.0dev release we have at download.zope.org | 00:49 |
| philiKON_ | buildout sees it because we tell it to look in that location | 00:49 |
| philiKON_ | we need it to look there because not everything is on the cheeseshop | 00:49 |
| philiKON_ | sigh | 00:49 |
| philiKON_ | vicious circle | 00:49 |
| WebMaven | Ah! | 00:49 |
| WebMaven | Hmm. | 00:49 |
| WebMaven | Sounds like the heuristic needs to change a bit... | 00:50 |
| philiKON_ | we just need to get our act together and release good eggs | 00:50 |
| philiKON_ | the first round of eggs were just rubbish | 00:50 |
| philiKON_ | i mean, it's ok | 00:50 |
| philiKON_ | we're learning | 00:50 |
| philiKON_ | it's just slow | 00:51 |
| philiKON_ | that's partially why zopeprojet isn't 1.0 yet | 00:51 |
| WebMaven | ie, just because d.z.o has a dev version, should it be used? | 00:51 |
| philiKON_ | (i was pondering whether to release 0.4 as 1.0) | 00:51 |
| philiKON_ | no | 00:51 |
| philiKON_ | again, prefer-final | 00:51 |
| WebMaven | so, why does it? | 00:51 |
| philiKON_ | because it's the newest | 00:51 |
| WebMaven | oh! | 00:52 |
| WebMaven | because the older one is ALSO a dev version? | 00:52 |
| WebMaven | And this is true of the one in the cheeseshop as well? | 00:52 |
| WebMaven | but the older one DOES have a binary? | 00:53 |
| philiKON_ | exactly | 00:53 |
| WebMaven | Hmm. | 00:53 |
| philiKON_ | that's what i've been trying to say agove | 00:53 |
| WebMaven | Is there a 'prefer-binary' flag? | 00:53 |
| philiKON_ | no | 00:55 |
| philiKON_ | not that i know of at least | 00:55 |
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| WebMaven | philiKON_: do you think it makes sense to add one? | 01:19 |
| philiKON_ | probalby not. i'd rather spend that energy on getting the working set use case straighened out and working | 01:20 |
| WebMaven | Hmm. I suppose it's just a workaround for badly released eggs anyway. | 01:22 |
| philiKON_ | or a missing working set | 01:22 |
| WebMaven | true. | 01:23 |
| WebMaven | OK, so when would you like me to start banging on zopeproject again? | 01:24 |
| WebMaven | using my newbie hammer, of course... | 01:24 |
| philiKON_ | define banging :) | 01:24 |
| philiKON_ | you can send me feedback anytime | 01:24 |
| philiKON_ | in fact, the sooner the better | 01:25 |
| philiKON_ | as said, it's going to get real-world exposure for the next three weeks (zope3 trainings) | 01:25 |
| WebMaven | tomorrow evening? | 01:25 |
| WebMaven | Thursday? | 01:26 |
| philiKON_ | umm. email? | 01:26 |
| philiKON_ | i can't really be on irc the next days b/c of the training | 01:26 |
| philiKON_ | end of next week if you prefer irc | 01:27 |
| WebMaven | philiKON_: poke | 01:30 |
| philiKON_ | WebMaven: yes? | 01:30 |
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| WebMaven | philiKON_: Sorry, I am very lagged here. | 01:40 |
| WebMaven | I think you answered my Qs. | 01:40 |
| philiKON_ | WebMaven: that's ok. i'm very tired here :) | 01:40 |
| * philiKON_ goes to bed | 01:40 | |
| WebMaven | stupid hotel with crappy wireless connected to a shitty DSL line. | 01:41 |
| WebMaven | philiKON_: good night! | 01:42 |
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| romanofski | moin :) | 09:32 |
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| timte | I know people say you shouldn't use system python for zope projects. Are you guys compiling a python manually that you use for all zope projects on that same machine or do you compile a new python in every buildout? | 10:23 |
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| baijum | timte, new python for every buildout is not necessary | 10:53 |
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| * wiggy just uses the system python | 11:18 | |
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| jodok | timte, baijum, wiggy: we never ever use system python :) it just causes troubles | 11:35 |
| wiggy | in all the few years I've done zope I've never had a problem with system python | 11:35 |
| jodok | wiggy: the system python usually doesn't cause problems. | 11:35 |
| jodok | but systems tend to have different libraries installed in the python path | 11:36 |
| jodok | and these packages, libraries might interfere with your stuff | 11:36 |
| jodok | and tend to lead to not reproducable steps during deployments | 11:36 |
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| wiggy | for hosting I use the system python with only PIL and setuptools installed | 11:37 |
| baijum | Since I found may discouraging mails about system Python in zope mailing list, I always preferred a custom Python .. | 11:38 |
| baijum | Now we have tools like virtualenv (http://pypi.python.org/pypi/virtualenv) So I guess system Python won't be a problem anymore ... | 11:39 |
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| edgordon | i am writing a lifecycleevent for IObjectAddedEvent and in that event i need to use some dublincore metadata. When i try to access this data, the creator comes back blank. I am guessing it is because my action runs before the metadata updates. Is that possible, and, if so, how do you determine the run order of various lifecycle events? | 20:38 |
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| mgedmin | you can't | 20:52 |
| mgedmin | you're not supposed to depend on the order in which event handlers are called | 20:52 |
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| sureshvv | Can there be 2 view classes for a page? I have 2 sections of the page and they have different forms | 20:57 |
| benji | edgordon: there are a couple of approaches that can be used in that situation: 1) if you depend on another event subscriber being run before your subscriber (and can tweak the first), make the first fire an event and subscribe the *second* to that event instead | 20:58 |
| benji | 2) as a last result you can add an after-commit hook and be sure all subscribers have been fired, but that has its own downsides | 20:58 |
| * mgedmin wonders why dc metadata doesn't set creator on IObjectCreatedEvent, which is sent before IObjectAddedEvent, IIRC | 20:58 | |
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| sureshvv | someone answer me please! | 21:03 |
| jpfarias | sureshvv: hey | 21:04 |
| sureshvv | hi jpfarias | 21:04 |
| jpfarias | there's no problem about having 2 browser views for some content | 21:04 |
| jpfarias | actually | 21:04 |
| jpfarias | in general there are more than one | 21:04 |
| jpfarias | also | 21:04 |
| fcorrea | with different names ;) | 21:04 |
| jpfarias | there are the viewlets | 21:04 |
| jpfarias | yeah | 21:04 |
| sureshvv | browser view same as browser page | 21:05 |
| sureshvv | ? | 21:05 |
| jpfarias | yes | 21:05 |
| jpfarias | well | 21:05 |
| jpfarias | a browser page is generated from a browser vierw | 21:05 |
| jpfarias | view | 21:05 |
| jpfarias | :-) | 21:05 |
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| jpfarias | u register them with <browser:page ... /> | 21:06 |
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| jpfarias | are u new to zope3 too? | 21:07 |
| jpfarias | I'm working on my first zope3 project :-) | 21:07 |
| jpfarias | I'm using grok | 21:07 |
| jpfarias | maybe u should try grok too | 21:07 |
| jpfarias | it is a easier way to get introduced to zope3 world | 21:07 |
| sureshvv | ok... I have a <page name= template= for= class= layer= permission=> Do I repeat the whole thing and just change the class? Can I put 2 classes in the same directive? | 21:08 |
| jpfarias | repeat whole browser:page | 21:08 |
| jpfarias | u will need to give different name | 21:08 |
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| jpfarias | and class | 21:08 |
| afd_ | sureshvv: you can use the attribute option to reuse the same class | 21:08 |
| jpfarias | afd_: I didn't know that :-) | 21:08 |
| jpfarias | what I do is make a class for each page | 21:09 |
| sureshvv | jpfarias... if I change the name, that will be how the page is known to the browser, right? | 21:10 |
| jpfarias | yeah | 21:10 |
| sureshvv | but I want it with the same name | 21:11 |
| jpfarias | uh? | 21:11 |
| sureshvv | see I have a page that has 2 forms | 21:11 |
| jpfarias | ah | 21:12 |
| jpfarias | ok | 21:12 |
| jpfarias | so | 21:12 |
| sureshvv | form1 has 1 view class and form2 has a different 1 | 21:12 |
| jpfarias | u make 2 pages | 21:12 |
| jpfarias | each with its own name | 21:12 |
| jpfarias | maybe even 3 pages | 21:12 |
| jpfarias | one with main template | 21:12 |
| jpfarias | and 2 others with a form each | 21:12 |
| sureshvv | ok | 21:12 |
| jpfarias | say: <page name="main" ... /> | 21:12 |
| jpfarias | <page name="form_a" /> | 21:12 |
| jpfarias | <page name="form_b" /> | 21:13 |
| jpfarias | then | 21:13 |
| jpfarias | in main page template | 21:13 |
| jpfarias | u can use form_a and form_b | 21:13 |
| jpfarias | like this: | 21:13 |
| jpfarias | <div tal:replace="structure context/@@form_a" /> | 21:13 |
| sureshvv | aah... | 21:13 |
| sureshvv | ok | 21:14 |
| sureshvv | i will try that | 21:14 |
| sureshvv | thanks jp | 21:14 |
| jpfarias | np :-0 | 21:14 |
| jpfarias | :-) | 21:14 |
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| sureshvv | jpfarias... u still here? | 22:00 |
| sureshvv | jpfarias... that worked... almost! | 22:01 |
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| sureshvv | I am doing a <div tal:replace="context/@@page_2"> but this is pulling in the standard header also... how do i prevent this? | 22:40 |
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| timte | sureshvv: are you sure you don't get the header fron something else in the template? | 22:47 |
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| sureshvv | timte... i am sure | 22:48 |
| sureshvv | timte... does the zcml <browser: page> do something? | 22:48 |
| timte | it just registers the view, nothing more | 22:55 |
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| timte | sureshvv: you don't have use-macro="here/main_template/macros/master" in the <html> tag? | 22:56 |
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| timte | ah, now I'm getting plony, but maybe that's not what you're doing :) | 22:57 |
| timte | sureshvv: what exactly is page_2? | 22:57 |
| sureshvv | page_2 is a form | 23:02 |
| sureshvv | timte... no plone | 23:03 |
| sureshvv | timte... pure zope3 | 23:03 |
| sureshvv | can we do context/@@page/macros/macro1? | 23:08 |
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