| philiKON | a login page needs just a view (browser page). this is implemented as one class, or if you're using a shortcut, simply just a single pagetemplate file | 00:00 |
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| philiKON | amaron: custom login pages are explained in my book: http://worldcookery.com/ | 00:01 |
| philiKON | along with pretty much everything else you need to know about browser pages | 00:01 |
| amaron | philiKON: which book is yours? | 00:01 |
| amaron | ah | 00:01 |
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| amaron | comany gave me a zope 3 developers handbook | 00:02 |
| amaron | *company | 00:02 |
| philiKON | that's a bit outdated, unfortunately | 00:02 |
| amaron | yes, i saw many depricated warnings | 00:02 |
| amaron | but, unfortunataly, management decided | 00:03 |
| amaron | after few days of trying to learn | 00:03 |
| amaron | that zope 3 is too complex | 00:03 |
| philiKON | then management made a mistake :) | 00:03 |
| philiKON | ah | 00:03 |
| philiKON | i thought you meant the mistake was buying that book ;) | 00:03 |
| amaron | they also watched videos for turbogears and pylons... | 00:04 |
| philiKON | have you see http://grok.zope.org ? | 00:04 |
| philiKON | it's a web framework on top of zope3 | 00:04 |
| philiKON | that makes thigns much easier | 00:04 |
| amaron | ah, nice, thank you | 00:05 |
| philiKON | if they want a video, here's one i made: | 00:05 |
| philiKON | http://www.archive.org/details/grok_todo_part1 | 00:05 |
| amaron | now company doesnt want to use zope | 00:05 |
| amaron | but i want | 00:05 |
| amaron | for myself | 00:05 |
| philiKON | i see | 00:06 |
| amaron | they wanned some complex backend for their product and services | 00:06 |
| amaron | and since i coulnt manage to do it fast | 00:06 |
| amaron | i told them that learning curve for learning zope 3 is slow | 00:07 |
| amaron | but zope 3 has much more to offer than other frameworks | 00:07 |
| amaron | they dont want to listen | 00:07 |
| philiKON | maybe it's a steep learning curve. but an old book doesn't help either | 00:07 |
| philiKON | and you should show them grok | 00:08 |
| philiKON | it has a much better learning curve | 00:08 |
| amaron | "do with a framework u can learn fast" | 00:08 |
| amaron | i dont mind if they choose anything, zope3 looks very attractive | 00:09 |
| amaron | i'll learn it for myself, then find a job with zope 3 devel. | 00:10 |
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| amaron | philiKON: i found todolist sample from your book, it clears alot for me | 00:26 |
| amaron | thanks | 00:27 |
| philiKON | it's not from my book | 00:27 |
| amaron | this metal templating i didn't understand | 00:27 |
| philiKON | that's explained in my book | 00:28 |
| amaron | ok, i'll order your book :) | 00:29 |
| amaron | to bad there is not much clear information for zope 3 | 00:30 |
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| romanofski | moin :) | 09:45 |
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| instantfoo | hmm, can you edit the "index" permission on a site manager? A user of mine needs access to a certain folder inside the sitemanager | 13:27 |
| philiKON | it's probably zope.ManageServices or something | 13:27 |
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| instantfoo | ok, will try | 13:29 |
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| philiKON | instantfoo: no, you use the debug skin and provoke an unauthorized. then it will tell you which permission exactly :) | 13:32 |
| instantfoo | ah | 13:33 |
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| instantfoo | hmm, i try to access http://localhost/++debug++errors/MySite/++etc++site/ | 13:39 |
| instantfoo | it asks for the password, i hit cancel, it doesn't do anything :) | 13:39 |
| instantfoo | and if i type a wrong password it asks again | 13:40 |
| instantfoo | philiKON: i'm accessing it correctly, right? | 13:41 |
| philiKON | you log in using an underprivileged user | 13:42 |
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| instantfoo | philiKON: hmm i just get to this page where it says "unauthorized" :/ | 13:50 |
| instantfoo | http://tinyurl.com/2mblre | 13:51 |
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| Subdino | hi. I have a (ridiculously :$) tiny improvement for zodb pack code: in FileStorage/fspack.py, replace "if self.reachable.has_key(oid):" by "if oid in self.reachable:". | 17:23 |
| Subdino | the latter is a bit faster than the former on fsIndex objects, because it does not try to unpack the value | 17:24 |
| Subdino | ...or is it a bug in fsPack code... | 17:25 |
| Subdino | s/pack/Index/ | 17:25 |
| J1m | The former is also better style. | 17:27 |
| J1m | are you a contributor? | 17:27 |
| J1m | BTW, if I had time, I'd rewrite the pack code. | 17:28 |
| Subdino | nope, I'm not a contributor | 17:30 |
| Subdino | but I had to put my hands in the packing code to understand why is happened to be slow in my case | 17:30 |
| Subdino | (discussed about it on #zope a few minutes ago) | 17:30 |
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| Subdino | my discovery was that the second GC pass (findReachableAtPacktime) spends a lot of time doing disk seeks to walk the object tree | 17:32 |
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| Subdino | and as we read whole file once in the first pass (buildPackIndex) I think it would be better to fetch the reference during that pass, so it is a linear read (except for undo objects) | 17:33 |
| Subdino | and then a recursive read in the dict to find reachable, with no disk read involved | 17:34 |
| Subdino | problem is that current data structure is inflexible^Woptimised and refuses to store a list ;) | 17:34 |
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| J1m | Yeah, that's why I want to reimplement the packing code. :) | 17:56 |
| J1m | Note that redoing it is ging to be tricky because the data structures one would want to create might not fit in memory. | 17:57 |
| J1m | Subdino, I can easily imagine having to create a secondary temprary database just to manage that the data structure. | 17:58 |
| J1m | At least for large databases like the onces we deal with -- which aren't necessarily that large, depending on what you consider large. | 17:58 |
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| Subdino | J1m: yep, I ran into the memory size problem when I tried the dumb way with a regular python dict as index | 18:08 |
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| Subdino | I think the 2nd pass can be made completely optionnal, actually | 18:09 |
| J1m | How so? | 18:09 |
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| J1m | You mean if you opt out of gc? | 18:10 |
| J1m | You could do reference counting GC without a second pass. | 18:10 |
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| Subdino | J1m: no, i mean that - to me - the secon dpass is not so important | 18:11 |
| J1m | I don't think you can do a reachability analysis without either a second pass or a data structure build on the first pass. | 18:11 |
| J1m | so you would like a way to opt out of gc. | 18:11 |
| Subdino | I don't plan to remove any object from the site, so that pass is just a merge of the 2 dicts gathered in the first one | 18:11 |
| J1m | I do plan to add such an option. | 18:11 |
| Subdino | great :) | 18:11 |
| J1m | when I have time :/ | 18:11 |
| J1m | I think it would be nice to be able to choose from a number of GC options: 1) no, 2) reference counting, 3) full. | 18:12 |
| J1m | we also need a multi-db gc. | 18:13 |
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| Subdino | mmmh, iirc in python it was chosen to only do refcounting implicitely, and smarter collection when explicitely asked | 18:13 |
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| Subdino | applied on zodb, I think the cheapest is getting rid of old revisions and then refcounting | 18:14 |
| J1m | Subdino, no, full gc is done by default. | 18:16 |
| J1m | in python | 18:16 |
| J1m | If using multi-dbs you need to disable individual db gc. | 18:16 |
| J1m | for a single db, refcounting is a nice middle ground. | 18:17 |
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| TheSkrill | Hello, I am new to zope3 and am wondering if zope3 comes with a pagination framework to help split up container views that have many children? Something to handle the next/previous links and such. | 20:55 |
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| philiKON | TheSkrill: nope. but maybe there's a library out there that can do this (z3c.*, plone.*, ...). either way, it's not that hard to do. | 21:20 |
| faassen | TheSkrill: there's a z3c.batching that might help? | 21:21 |
| faassen | bye! | 21:22 |
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| TheSkrill | thanks guys, i will look into the z3c.batching. | 21:22 |
| TheSkrill | i'm not worried about having to write one myself just that i would hate to code it then find that i could have used an included lib. | 21:23 |
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| amaron | hello | 23:07 |
| amaron | philiKON: i convinced management in my company to use zope3 as framework, and to buy your book for me and other developers to come | 23:10 |
| philiKON | amaron: good job :) | 23:10 |
| amaron | :) | 23:10 |
| amaron | i even mentioned i talked with you, and gave your book and site as reference | 23:11 |
| * philiKON feels honoured | 23:13 | |
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| amaron | now comes the hard part | 23:15 |
| amaron | to justify all those good things i said about zope3 | 23:15 |
| TheSkrill | can anyone point me to a good example on making a non-persistent submit form (trying to make a contact form that just sends an email)? | 23:16 |
| amaron | it will be nice and interesting work | 23:16 |
| philiKON | amaron: dunno. what did you say? | 23:17 |
| philiKON | TheSkrill: basically, you'd use zope.formlib.form.Form as a base class | 23:17 |
| philiKON | TheSkrill: you need to define which form fields the form should have, by setting the form_fields attribute | 23:17 |
| philiKON | TheSkrill: and then you need define what should be done when you submit the form, by implementing an action | 23:18 |
| philiKON | TheSkrill: have you got my book? | 23:18 |
| amaron | philiKON: well it was a long conversation about several python web framework and compared them with zope3 | 23:18 |
| TheSkrill | philiKON: thanks.. what is the title of your book? | 23:18 |
| philiKON | TheSkrill: http://worldcookery.com | 23:18 |
| TheSkrill | yes.. I actually do have that book | 23:19 |
| TheSkrill | may I say great job.. very good read | 23:19 |
| WebMaven | TheSkrill: first or 2nd edition? | 23:19 |
| TheSkrill | 2nd | 23:20 |
| WebMaven | TheSkrill: good. | 23:20 |
| philiKON | TheSkrill: a form like the one you're describing is somewhere towards the end of the book. chapter 22 i believe | 23:20 |
| philiKON | the example is about principal annotations | 23:20 |
| TheSkrill | philiKON: awsome.. I will look for it. | 23:21 |
| philiKON | hey WebMaven | 23:21 |
| WebMaven | philiKON: hey | 23:22 |
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| TheSkrill | philiKON: I found it. i will give that section a read this evening. Thanks for the help (everyone included). | 23:26 |
| philiKON | np | 23:26 |
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| spython | Hi, i have a local util with an OOBTree attribute.. when i add stuff to this attribute and restart the server, my added data is gone.. why? | 23:56 |
| spython | the util is still there after restart, along with its registration, but the attribute is clean :/ | 23:56 |
| philiKON | spython: how do you stuff data in it? | 23:57 |
| philiKON | from a browser page? | 23:57 |
| spython | i add stuff to it via... getUtility(ILocalUtil).addFoo(foo) | 23:57 |
| philiKON | right. but where do you do this stuff? debug prompt? browser page? ...? | 23:58 |
| spython | a browser page | 23:58 |
| philiKON | hmmm | 23:58 |
| philiKON | that should be alright then | 23:58 |
| spython | it does get added when through the browser page, I can see stuff added in introspector | 23:59 |
| spython | but when i restart they're gone | 23:59 |
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