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| cr3 | is there a way to set somekind of permission on Field attributes? | 00:16 |
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| CSWookie | Anybody know if there's a function to clear out the utilities registered for a particular interface, and reregister them all? | 08:54 |
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| zagy | I wonder what the best way is to have a write-once field | 12:48 |
| zagy | i.e. one that is written on add and then never again... | 12:48 |
| zagy | a readonly field sort of does the trick, but only sort of | 12:48 |
| mgedmin | I've used a __setattr__ function that raises if it finds the name in self.__dict__ | 12:49 |
| zagy | but I have to specify that somehow in the schema | 12:49 |
| zagy | to give formlib some hint... | 12:49 |
| * zagy wonders | 12:49 | |
| mgedmin | ok, now I'm confused | 12:53 |
| mgedmin | what do you want to do? | 12:53 |
| mgedmin | have the field editable in the add form but read-only in the edit form? | 12:54 |
| projekt01 | zagy, use z3c.form and set mode='input' or mode='display' if you need to override given schema settings | 12:58 |
| zagy | yes, but I think I know what I'm doing wrong now. The field in fact is read only for instances | 12:58 |
| zagy | but not for the factory | 12:58 |
| zagy | so i'll see | 12:58 |
| zagy | projekt01: no way :) | 12:58 |
| zagy | projekt01: if it was a new project maybe ;) | 12:58 |
| projekt01 | doesn't __dict__['foo'] = 'bar' work for you? | 12:59 |
| zagy | yes yes, setattr works as well :) | 12:59 |
| zagy | just looking for some insight to make it "right" and general | 13:00 |
| projekt01 | Ok, use that in your z3c.form if you need to write to it | 13:00 |
| projekt01 | zagy, don't make your live harder then it is | 13:00 |
| zagy | no I don't :) | 13:01 |
| projekt01 | ;-) | 13:01 |
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| projekt01 | zagy, are you looking for a ready to use solution which you can use based on schemas? This doen't exist | 13:03 |
| zagy | not really ready to use, just the supposed way | 13:03 |
| zagy | I will change the setting of data in the add form, that'll work just fine | 13:03 |
| projekt01 | I recommend z3c.form for this kind of customizing | 13:04 |
| zagy | I know you recomend z3c.form, but I haven't had time to implement the sources support properly | 13:05 |
| zagy | so there is no way to use it right now | 13:05 |
| zagy | although I have quite some forms already | 13:05 |
| zagy | it's not that it is a new project | 13:05 |
| projekt01 | I see | 13:06 |
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| tlotze | hi | 14:28 |
| tlotze | I found some behaviour of zc.resourcelib which I'm not sure is intended that way... | 14:28 |
| tlotze | The lib takes care to apply only to HTML and XML content, so it tests whether the content type (if set) is among text/html and text/xml. | 14:29 |
| tlotze | However, it does so by exact comparison, so it would apply to "text/html" but not "text/html; charset=utf-8". | 14:30 |
| tlotze | Wouldn't a check like content_type.split(';', 1)[0] in ('text/html', 'text/xml') be more appropriate? | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | doesn't zope have any functions for parsing/checking mime types? | 14:32 |
| tlotze | might be | 14:32 |
| tlotze | right now it's content_type == 'text/html' or content_type == 'text/xml' | 14:32 |
| tlotze | So I just kept the abstraction level intact ;o) | 14:33 |
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| chaoflow | is there a timeline for moving the concepts of zope.app.container to zope.container, what needs to be done, and how could I help? | 17:13 |
| srichter | chaoflow: basically, it should separate the container code from the browser code | 17:14 |
| srichter | make sure zope.app.container is backward compatible | 17:14 |
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| chaoflow | srichter: ok - did somebody start coding, yet? | 17:17 |
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| chaoflow | I currently using zope-3.3.1. Is it sane to start separating the code there, or should I focus on the latest zope? | 17:18 |
| philiKON | you wan tto check out zope.app.container/trunk | 17:18 |
| srichter | chaoflow: trunk only, please :-) | 17:18 |
| srichter | it would be a zope.app.container 3.5 task | 17:19 |
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| elro | Is there any way to get the context from an invariant? I seem to be reduced to walking the stack :-( | 17:21 |
| elro | or maybe I am validating in the wrong place? | 17:21 |
| srichter | elro: invariants only get passed in the object that conforms to the interface | 17:22 |
| srichter | elro: it makes no sense to have any other context | 17:22 |
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| elro | Right. Essentially I have a list of possible container names and a list of possible contained names. I need to check that the combination is valid, i.e. somfolder[containername][containedname] exists. | 17:24 |
| elro | so my validator depends on the (context, container name, contained name) | 17:25 |
| elro | where should I be validating this with formlib? | 17:25 |
| srichter | elro: I should mention that I am not using formlib | 17:26 |
| srichter | elro: however, you invariant object should have all the info | 17:26 |
| srichter | oh no, it does not ;-) | 17:26 |
| srichter | that's a feature I added in z3c.form ;-) | 17:26 |
| elro | indeed :-) | 17:26 |
| srichter | in z3c.form the object passed to the invariant has a __context__ attribute that is the object that truly implements the interface | 17:27 |
| elro | way too late to change now. think it might be nasty stack hack time... | 17:27 |
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| * elro wanders if he can somehow register the context as a utility for the duration of a request | 17:28 | |
| * mgedmin thinks about stuffing it into a thread local | 17:29 | |
| mgedmin | or ignoring the formlib invariant stuff and adding the constraint checking in the appropriate locations directly | 17:29 |
| elro | d | 17:30 |
| elro | (not the pdb window) | 17:30 |
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| mgedmin | what does 'd' do in pdb? | 17:33 |
| mgedmin | ah, right | 17:33 |
| elro | navigates down the stack | 17:33 |
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| chaoflow | is there a buildout to get zope from trunk up and running? | 17:47 |
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| benji | chaoflow: zopeproject might be able to do that; I've never used it. If I were doing it I'd start with something like http://svn.zope.org/Sandbox/benji/zope3-from-eggs/ | 17:52 |
| benji | but that's just me ;) | 17:53 |
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| chaoflow | benji: thx | 17:56 |
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| * chaoflow just found out, that zope.app.container is actually a buildout. that explains a lot :) | 18:04 | |
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| elro | If an adapter can't adapt, what error should it raise? | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | it should return None | 18:12 |
| mgedmin | the component architecture will then raise a TypeError | 18:12 |
| elro | thanks | 18:14 |
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| hazmat | is it possible for zope to serve up a favicon.ico file as a resource at /favicon.ico without adding it to the zodb? | 18:26 |
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| philiKON | hazmat: well, you could make it a view for ISite or so | 18:28 |
| bigkevmcd | I suppose you could register a view with that name? | 18:28 |
| bigkevmcd | or what philiKON says :-) | 18:28 |
| hazmat | ok that sounds promising, how do you programatically retrieve the resource to return? | 18:31 |
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| hazmat | would this do it? resource = queryMultiAdapter((self.context, request), name='++resource++favicon.ico') | 18:32 |
| philiKON | no | 18:32 |
| philiKON | ++ names aren't part of the adapter names | 18:32 |
| philiKON | and resources don't adapt the context | 18:32 |
| philiKON | they're context-less | 18:32 |
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| philiKON | hazmat: you do this: | 18:34 |
| philiKON | res = z.c.queryAdapter(request, name='favicon.ico') | 18:34 |
| philiKON | return res | 18:34 |
| hazmat | cool, thanks philiKON | 18:34 |
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| hazmat | philiKON, fwiw its .. return res.GET() | 18:45 |
| philiKON | ok :) | 18:46 |
| philiKON | or, you could return res in your browserpage's browserDefault | 18:46 |
| philiKON | return (res, ('GET')) | 18:46 |
| philiKON | or something like that | 18:46 |
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| philiKON | but res.GET() should work | 18:46 |
| hazmat | yup, and its one less layer of indirection ;-) | 18:47 |
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| lisppaste6 | chaoflow pasted "zope.app.container version conflict" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/51868 | 19:08 |
| chaoflow | when running buildout for zope.app.container, I am getting a version conflict (see link above). Any suggestions? | 19:10 |
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| ignas | chaoflow: use KGS | 19:12 |
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| ignas | chaoflow: having index = http://download.zope.org/zope3.4 in my [buildout] section makes the situation a lot more bearable | 19:13 |
| chaoflow | ignas: KGS? | 19:14 |
| ignas | known good set of eggs | 19:14 |
| ignas | eggs that have been tested to work together | 19:14 |
| chaoflow | ok | 19:14 |
| chaoflow | thx - will check | 19:15 |
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| chaoflow | ignas: that didnt solve it. I am trying to work on zope.app.container trunk, if that is of any help | 19:36 |
| * mgedmin sits back with a bag of popcorn to watch the show | 19:38 | |
| ignas | chaoflow: in a minute, busy now | 19:38 |
| chaoflow | ignas: of course | 19:40 |
| mgedmin | wasn't it zope.app.container that I tried to buildout and completely failed, a couple of days ago?... | 19:52 |
| mgedmin | no, that was zope.testbrowser | 19:52 |
| natea|boston | srichter: ping | 19:53 |
| benji | mgedmin: I fixed a buildout configuration bug with zope.testbrowser yesterday; I'd be interested if you still have problems with it | 19:53 |
| ignas | chaoflow: i'd just add zope.publisher>=3.5.0a1.dev-r78727 to the eggs section | 19:54 |
| ignas | or something like that | 19:54 |
| ignas | not sure if it will work | 19:54 |
| mgedmin | hm, buildout doesn't understand --version | 19:55 |
| mgedmin | benji: I don't know what I'm supposed to be doing | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | I've a zope.testbrowser svn checkout | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | clean (i.e. svn status is empty) | 19:56 |
| chaoflow | ignas: thx - trying it out | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | I run buildout with no arguments | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | it fails with Error: Couldn't find a distribution for 'zc.recipe.testrunner==1.0.0b8'. | 19:56 |
| benji | bootstrap it and run bin/buildout, then bin/test should report all tests passing | 19:56 |
| benji | ooh; interesting | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | so, I must use bootstrap? | 19:56 |
| mgedmin | I can't use a buildout I've installed somewhere else? | 19:57 |
| benji | you have to bootstrap it, it can be with another buildout | 19:57 |
| * mgedmin likes pushing the boundaries | 19:57 | |
| benji | sounds like it's bootstrapped fine | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | I never ran the bootstrap.py | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | I'm not sure what you mean by "bootstrapped" here | 19:57 |
| benji | right, but you used another buildout's bootstrap command | 19:57 |
| mgedmin | um, no | 19:58 |
| mgedmin | am I supposed to run it? | 19:58 |
| benji | you can't get the error you described without a bootstrapped buildout :) | 19:58 |
| benji | a clean checkout doesn't have bin/buildout | 19:58 |
| mgedmin | what does the buildout script do when I run it without any arguments? | 19:59 |
| mgedmin | there's no bin/buildout, but I see bin/py and bin/test | 19:59 |
| benji | builds out | 19:59 |
| benji | I suggest you run "buildout bootstrap" from some other buildout while your current directory is a fresh zope.testbrowser checkout | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | let's take a step back | 20:00 |
| benji | then run bin/buildout (from zope.testbrowser) | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | I know I'm trying to use it "wrong" because I foolishly insist on using the system python | 20:00 |
| mgedmin | I'm just wondering whether this sequence of commands is supposed to work or not: | 20:00 |
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| mgedmin | easy_install zc.buildout; svn co http://...project; cd project; buildout; bin/test | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | ? | 20:01 |
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| benji | I don't know, never done it that way. | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | fair enough | 20:01 |
| mgedmin | what do you do? ./bootstrap.py ? | 20:01 |
| gstratton__ | python bootstrap.py | 20:02 |
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| mgedmin | fwiw buildout bootstrap; bin/buildout gives me the same error -- zc.recipe.testrunner 1.0.0b8 is just not available from cheeseshop | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | wait, it is | 20:03 |
| mgedmin | at least I can go to http://cheeseshop.python.org/pypi/zc.recipe.testrunner/1.0.0b8 | 20:03 |
| benji | oh! but it's not available from the KGS | 20:04 |
| benji | the index for zope.testbrowser was changed recently to point there, and it doesn't have that version | 20:05 |
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| mgedmin | aha! so the zope.testbrowser buildout.cfg is wrong | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | and can be fixed | 20:06 |
| benji | yep | 20:06 |
| * mgedmin is glad his idle experiments brought an improvement to something | 20:06 | |
| benji | remove the b8 and try again | 20:06 |
| mgedmin | Error: Couldn't find a distribution for 'zc.recipe.egg==1.0.0b6'. | 20:07 |
| mgedmin | do you have a local egg cache that you don't see these errors? | 20:07 |
| * mgedmin just interested | 20:07 | |
| mgedmin | actually, now that the config file points to KGS, wouldn't it make sense to remove version numbers from it? | 20:09 |
| * mgedmin removes the versions = version line from buildout.cfg, and his buildout run succeeds | 20:10 | |
| mgedmin | all tests pass, yay | 20:10 |
| mgedmin | DeprecationWarning: the gopherlib module is deprecated | 20:11 |
| mgedmin | the rest is all shiny | 20:11 |
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| mgedmin | hm, buildout in zope.app.container gives me version conflicts... let's see, it doesn't specify the KGS | 20:17 |
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| mgedmin | no luck with the kgs either | 20:22 |
| mgedmin | maybe that's because I was supposed to rm -r eggs before retrying with the KGS? | 20:22 |
| mgedmin | duh | 20:22 |
| philiKON | nope | 20:23 |
| philiKON | you should never have to delete anything | 20:23 |
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| mgedmin | We already have: zope.publisher 3.4.1 but zope.traversing 3.5.0a2 requires 'zope.publisher>=3.5.0a1.dev-r78727'. | 20:24 |
| mgedmin | what's the reason for this? inconsistent package index? | 20:24 |
| mgedmin | where did I get zope.publisher 3.5 from? it's not in kgs | 20:25 |
| philiKON | weird | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | oh, right | 20:25 |
| philiKON | sigh, i think it's because jukart released new zope.app.publisher + zope.traversing eggs | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | I got it before I told buildout.cfg to use KGS | 20:25 |
| philiKON | which depend on a zope.pubisher that's on pypi | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | and now that I've cleared my eggs subdir and reran buildout, everything's fine | 20:25 |
| mgedmin | tests pass | 20:26 |
| benji | philiKON: if you get eggs or distros from one index in your cache and the buildout uses another index, you can get results that are different from what everyone else would see | 20:26 |
| mgedmin | do you think adding 'index = http://download.zope.org/zope3.4' to each of the individual package's buildout.cfg is a good practice or not? | 20:26 |
| philiKON | benji: hmm, i suppose | 20:26 |
| mgedmin | probably not for development versions that want to depend on newerr libs | 20:26 |
| philiKON | ah, wait, he added index = ... | 20:26 |
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| * philiKON prefers using extends = ... and versions = versions | 20:27 | |
| philiKON | because then you really nail the versions down | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | please ignore the specifics of my errors | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | I'm trying to discover the Right Way | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | well... the expected way | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | e.g. if you've a C package, you can be expected to untar it; then run ./configure && make | 20:27 |
| mgedmin | I would like to know what's the right procedure for working with zope.foo packages from svn | 20:28 |
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| mgedmin | okay, with C packages you check out you sometimes have to run ./autogen.sh or autoreconf or something like that before you get a configure script | 20:28 |
| mgedmin | also, I'm stubbornly trying to do everything with the system python (2.5) with an old an buggy setuptools version installed right into site-packages, just to make things more fun | 20:29 |
| mgedmin | so you should ignore me | 20:29 |
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| tlotze | argl | 23:49 |
| tlotze | I just wanted to release a bug fix to zc.resourcelibrary. | 23:49 |
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| tlotze | Seeing that 0.6.1 was the last tag, last PyPI release and last CHANGES.txt entry, I tagged 0.6.2. | 23:50 |
| tlotze | Now I found that there have been 0.7dev-xxxxx releases uploaded to download.zope.org. | 23:50 |
| tlotze | How best to proceed? Release 0.6.2 anyway? Remove the tag and just do another 0.7dev-xxxxx release? | 23:51 |
| benji | I would suggest removing the tag and going to 0.8 (no dev) | 23:51 |
| tlotze | Hadn't there been discussion to stop doing revision-numbered releases from the trunk? | 23:51 |
| tlotze | ah | 23:51 |
| tlotze | Well, I'll do that then. | 23:51 |
| benji | yep; dev is right out | 23:51 |
| tlotze | Why not 0.7? | 23:51 |
| benji | because I don't remember how x.y and x.y-dev versions interract; better to just skip the entire mess | 23:52 |
| tlotze | k | 23:52 |
| benji | as a matter of fact; you could go to 1.0 if you feel frisky | 23:52 |
| benji | ;) | 23:52 |
| tlotze | nah | 23:52 |
| tlotze | not this time of the day ;o) | 23:52 |
| tlotze | seriously, I don't feel in a position to make such a judgement | 23:52 |
| tlotze | Haven't followed zc.res.lib. development until I found that bug, after all. | 23:53 |
| tlotze | I mean, if *you* say it's time for 1.0... | 23:53 |
| tlotze | But wait, there's a real reason: I think precisely the content-type parameter stuff should be given some tests first. | 23:54 |
| benji | yeah, certainly needs tests; also did you see Fred's comments? | 23:55 |
| tlotze | yes | 23:56 |
| tlotze | Both strip() and lower() are in it now. | 23:56 |
| tlotze | strip was inspired by the contenttype module from the publisher. | 23:56 |
| benji | cool; once tests for the changes are done, a release would be in order; I'm cool with either 1.0 or 0.8 | 23:56 |
| tlotze | Hm, there having been no tests for the behaviour so far, I'd say I'll do 0.8 now to help my project along, and 1.0 after I've written tests. Fine with you? | 23:57 |
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