| ccomb | all this means buildout is not a fully isolated and repeatable environment, unless carefully used | 00:01 |
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| toutpt | there are many recipe on pypi to create zope3 instance | 00:02 |
| benji | any recipe that "polutes" the Python used to run buildout is evil | 00:03 |
| toutpt | benji: so how do you install a zope3 environement to work on ? | 00:03 |
| benji | using the zc.zope3recipes:instance recipe | 00:04 |
| benji | (and the zc.zope3recipes:app recipe) | 00:05 |
| benji | A minimal example can be seen at http://svn.zope.org/Sandbox/benji/zope3-from-eggs/ | 00:06 |
| toutpt | benji: thx for this environement | 00:09 |
| benji | I believe you can get something very similar with zopeproject (but haven't used it myself) | 00:10 |
| toutpt | this is similar except that it doesn t work atm | 00:10 |
| benji | please define "this" and "work" :) | 00:11 |
| ccomb | it seems there is a version conflict problem currently with zopeproject | 00:11 |
| benji | ah | 00:12 |
| benji | darn | 00:12 |
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| toutpt | benji: "this" is the result i have from zopeproject , and "work" means i have an error, and zope instance script doesn t start | 00:13 |
| benji | that's unfortunate; have you reported the issue? | 00:14 |
| toutpt | not atm, i would like to discuss about it to see if it s an issue or not, cause this is the first time i m using it. i m really used to use ZopeSkel to build my environement for zope2/plone, and it works really well | 00:15 |
| toutpt | there is not zope3skel ? | 00:15 |
| ccomb | benji don't you want to use download.zope.org/zope3.4 in your zope3-from-eggs/buildout.cfg instead of download.zope.org/distribution? | 00:17 |
| benji | zope 3 doesn't use skeletons any more, if that's what you're asking | 00:17 |
| ccomb | I've understood the latter is broken | 00:18 |
| benji | ccomb: probably, that's getting a little old now | 00:18 |
| benji | ccomb: not so much broken, but certainly bleeding edge | 00:18 |
| ccomb | ah ok | 00:18 |
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| Theuni | faassen: ping | 14:16 |
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| faassen | Theuni: pong | 14:22 |
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| Theuni | faassen: ah. sorry. phone ... | 14:30 |
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| Theuni | just FYI. I'm starting to pick up the functions you've put in your objpath package ... | 14:31 |
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| faassen | Theuni: oh, already? they're very simple. :) | 14:31 |
| Theuni | i know | 14:31 |
| faassen | Theuni: I just found I needed them in 3 other packages :) | 14:31 |
| Theuni | same for me | 14:31 |
| Theuni | i was looking for _the_ place to take the implementation from | 14:31 |
| Theuni | i decided to use yours | 14:31 |
| faassen | Theuni: that is, the interface is the important thing, and the functions are just helpers. | 14:31 |
| faassen | Theuni: though you can use 'm directly too if you like. | 14:32 |
| Theuni | they're fine for me | 14:32 |
| faassen | Theuni: okay, then I'm happy to made this. I wasn't sure whether it wasn't too small a package. :) | 14:32 |
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| * mgedmin googles objpath | 14:33 | |
| faassen | mgedmin: z3c.objpath | 14:33 |
| faassen | mgedmin: in svn.zope.org | 14:33 |
| mgedmin | yep, that's the only google hit | 14:33 |
| faassen | actually I find svn.zope.de as the only google hit. :) | 14:34 |
| mgedmin | heh | 14:34 |
| mgedmin | Theuni: if you're ever bored, add a "what and why" section to the top of the README | 14:34 |
| mgedmin | please | 14:34 |
| faassen | mgedmin: z3c.objpath's? | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | yes | 14:35 |
| faassen | mgedmin: I'm glad you're asking him to create it. :) | 14:35 |
| mgedmin | what, http://svn.zope.de/zope.org/z3c.objpath/trunk/src/z3c/objpath/README.txt ? | 14:35 |
| faassen | mgedmin: yeah, I mean, I'm glad you're asking him, so I don't have to do it. :) | 14:35 |
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| mgedmin | well, there must have been a point in reinventing zope.traversing.api's getPath and traverse | 14:37 |
| mgedmin | arbitrary roots? | 14:37 |
| faassen | mgedmin: yeah. I really only need application specific paths. | 14:37 |
| Theuni | actually we just realized we need the opposite thing =) | 14:38 |
| Theuni | stupid us | 14:38 |
| faassen | Theuni: the opposite of what? | 14:38 |
| Theuni | we need the semantics of zope.traversing :) | 14:38 |
| * faassen grins. | 14:38 | |
| Theuni | i love eggs and buildout | 14:38 |
| faassen | mgedmin: anyway, the interface could be fulfilled using zope.traversing too. | 14:38 |
| Theuni | did i say that already today? | 14:38 |
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| malthe | guys | 14:40 |
| malthe | so in a buildout; it seems 'eggs-directory' will always be local to the home-dir, not to the buildout directory. | 14:40 |
| malthe | this makes it difficult to build with a user that does not have a home directory. | 14:40 |
| malthe | is it a bug or a feature? | 14:41 |
| * mgedmin thinks buildout deserves its own irc channel | 14:41 | |
| Theuni | malthe: you can use ${buildout:directory} to specify a directory relative to the buildout | 14:41 |
| Theuni | or was it buildout:location? | 14:42 |
| Theuni | gnah | 14:42 |
| * Theuni looks it up | 14:42 | |
| malthe | Theuni: it won't work | 14:42 |
| Theuni | why? | 14:42 |
| malthe | it's hard-coded relative to home dir | 14:42 |
| * Theuni looks | 14:42 | |
| Theuni | weird | 14:42 |
| malthe | i.e it'll be /home/myhome/{buildout:location}/.python-eggs (or whatever)/ | 14:42 |
| malthe | at least that's what I find | 14:42 |
| malthe | I may be mistaken | 14:42 |
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| malthe | mgedmin: well it's not like zope3-dev is flooded with conversation | 14:43 |
| Theuni | i don't see any code that makes the eggs-directory relative to the home dir | 14:44 |
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| Theuni | make sure the path starts with a '/' . then it should be absolute. | 14:45 |
| Theuni | afk for a while | 14:45 |
| mgedmin | aren't relative paths in buildout.cfg relative to $PWD? | 14:45 |
| mgedmin | I'm pretty sure I've seen 'eggs' dirs specified just as 'eggs', and these appear in ./eggs, not ~/eggs | 14:46 |
| mgedmin | I've always run the buildout script after chdiring into the buildout dir | 14:46 |
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| malthe | Theuni: okay I think have it; the user in question does not have a shell ---- in turn not an environment ---- so buildout isn't able to set the egg cache directory. | 15:05 |
| malthe | I guess everybody needs a home | 15:05 |
| malthe | why not 'www' | 15:05 |
| ccomb | There is something broken either with the kgs or zopeproject | 15:12 |
| ccomb | the zopeproject buildout always gives version conflicts, even with a clean environement, and after changing the find-links to download.zope.org/zope3.4/ | 15:13 |
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| ignas | ccomb: it's not find-links oyu have to set | 15:57 |
| ignas | it's index | 15:57 |
| ignas | find-links only "adds" a source | 15:57 |
| ignas | all the eggs in the KGS are in PYPI already anyway | 15:57 |
| ignas | it's the "extra" eggs that are causing you problems | 15:57 |
| ignas | so add index = KGS URL to your [buildout] section | 15:57 |
| ignas | in buildout.cfg | 15:58 |
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| alga | benji: hi | 17:54 |
| alga | I'd like to package my fix to zope.sendmail, what do I have to do for that? | 17:54 |
| alga | bump the version to 3.5.0b2? | 17:54 |
| alga | upload an egg to downloads.zope.org? | 17:54 |
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| alga | benji: never mind, I asked Gary | 18:07 |
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| benji | sorry to ignore you alga, my sound doesn't seem to want to work today | 18:12 |
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