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| ronny | i just have no idea how to get a fit index, and how to search the objects using it | 00:01 |
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| nerdalert | hello, I'm having a little page template trouble where my DOCTYPE declaration isn't being propagated to the rendered output. I've done some digging for a solution, but still haven't found one. has anyone here had to deal with a similar problem before? | 00:32 |
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| goschtl | Hi, first sorry for asking in this channel but i don´t know if it´s a Z3 or grok thing. I got in an grok.AddForm an ContentProviderLookupError for my viewlets. Here is the method and error_log --> http://paste.lisp.org/display/54315. | 14:40 |
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| afd_ | goschtl: there's a #grok channel, they might be able to help you | 14:41 |
| afd_ | I'd say check if your content provider is registered, but I don't know grok | 14:42 |
| goschtl | afd_: i ve already asked there but no solution so far. and i use pure Z3 viewlets. | 14:43 |
| afd_ | goschtl: did you register it for your layer? | 14:43 |
| goschtl | afd_: i dont use a special layer. look here this is my config --> http://paste.lisp.org/display/54316. And the viewlets work in a normal grok.View | 14:45 |
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| SteveA | hi | 15:59 |
| SteveA | does trunk Zope 3 work with python 2.5 now? | 15:59 |
| timte | I think it should, but perhaps it's not official yet. | 16:00 |
| benji_ | I suspect not; there was a status page somewhere (I think a reference to it was made on the mailing list in the last couple of days) | 16:05 |
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| timte | From the zope3 faq | 16:10 |
| timte | Currently (for Zope 3.3 and 3.4) Python 2.4 is required, Python 2.5 is not supported yet. Even though Python 2.5 is not supported, you can run Zope 3 packages using Python 2.5. Python 2.5 will be officially supported when Zope 2 also run under that version. | 16:10 |
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| timte | http://wiki.zope.org/zope3/ModuleImplementationStatus | 16:11 |
| benji | cool! | 16:12 |
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| philiKON_ | SteveA: theoretically yes | 17:46 |
| philiKON_ | SteveA: but there are problems on 64 bit linux machines | 17:46 |
| philiKON_ | that haven't been dealt with iirc | 17:46 |
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| xkenneth | Hey all, quick question, where can i find documentation on the template macros? | 17:52 |
| xkenneth | Like this: <html metal:use-macro="context/@@standard_macros/view"> | 17:53 |
| xkenneth | anybody? | 17:56 |
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| mgedmin | documentation? | 18:05 |
| mgedmin | what's that? | 18:06 |
| xkenneth | am i missing something completely obvious? | 18:06 |
| mgedmin | like that zope 3 documentation is in a sorry state? ;-) | 18:07 |
| mgedmin | what exactly do you want to know -- about the metal: namespace in page templates, about @@standard_macros, or about what macros are provided by default? | 18:07 |
| philiKON_ | mgedmin: or that there's a whole book on zope 3 that people frequently ignore when talking about z3 docs | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | yes | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | two books even | 18:11 |
| philiKON_ | right | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | altough the other one might be outdated | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | but it's not online, so I can't google and post a URL here :/ | 18:12 |
| * benji glances over at the ever-handy copy of one of those books. | 18:12 | |
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| * mgedmin looks longingly at the company amazon wishlist that nobody ever gets around to actually ordering... | 18:12 | |
| xkenneth | anyways | 18:13 |
| benji | heh | 18:13 |
| xkenneth | instead of using the macro to have the entire zmi interface at the top, i'd just like to have the ability to log in and then display my object | 18:14 |
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| xkenneth | is there any sort of way to debug with zope? other than the eternally long error messages/ | 18:23 |
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| benji | xkenneth: pretty much any debugging tools you can use for Python work for Zope | 18:24 |
| benji | I'm partial to import pdb;pdb.set_trace() ;) | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | hm | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | seeing that no one answered your macro question | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | I'll try | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | I don't use @@standard_macros | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | I create a custom set of macros for my applications | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | and use those in my application object views | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | it's easy: create a my_macros.pt, register it as a view in zcml, then start using it like context/@@my_macros/macroname | 18:26 |
| xkenneth | ok | 18:26 |
| xkenneth | i'll give it a try | 18:26 |
| xkenneth | thx | 18:26 |
| xkenneth | so, i've set up a basic zope product, but it causes system errors when i try to access the page views, how can i debug this? | 18:27 |
| xkenneth | i can add the product without errors | 18:27 |
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| mgedmin | look at the traceback | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | you'll see it on the terminal where you started z3 | 18:31 |
| xkenneth | right | 18:31 |
| xkenneth | but it's really long | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | and also via the 'Errors' menu item in the ZMI | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | ah, well, tracebacks that happen when you render page templates are sadly long and confusing | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | the ZMI error views show you the name of the page template and the TALES expression in it | 18:31 |
| mgedmin | which is very useful | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | and which you don't see in standard python tracebacks | 18:32 |
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| xkenneth | ah | 18:36 |
| xkenneth | still can't quite find anything of use | 18:36 |
| xkenneth | it looks like something i'm doing is causing an error deep in zope, and i can't trace it back to an error in my code | 18:36 |
| xkenneth | what does pdb do? | 18:37 |
| benji | http://docs.python.org/lib/module-pdb.html | 18:37 |
| xkenneth | thanks | 18:38 |
| benji | np | 18:38 |
| mgedmin | pastebin the traceback here | 18:38 |
| xkenneth | ohh, breakpoints | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | maybe we'll spot it | 18:39 |
| xkenneth | it's big | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | that's what pastebins are for | 18:39 |
| mgedmin | see /topic | 18:39 |
| lisppaste6 | xkenneth pasted "Zope Error" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/54321 | 18:41 |
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| xkenneth | nice | 18:42 |
| mgedmin | okay, this is interesting | 18:43 |
| xkenneth | yes indeed | 18:43 |
| xkenneth | like i said, not alot of help | 18:43 |
| xkenneth | it was working | 18:43 |
| mgedmin | I'd say it's a bug in zope.app.publisher.browser.menu | 18:43 |
| xkenneth | ah ok.. | 18:44 |
| xkenneth | well i just followed the hello world tut | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | it found a menu item it didn't expect | 18:44 |
| xkenneth | and started renaming things | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | ifaces.index(...) hmmm | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | I'd like to see what item_for is | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | and what's ifaces | 18:44 |
| mgedmin | did you register your view on a class or on an interface? | 18:44 |
| xkenneth | i don't know? | 18:44 |
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| xkenneth | it's a product | 18:45 |
| xkenneth | and i use a "slug" to load it | 18:45 |
| mgedmin | did you write it yourself? | 18:46 |
| xkenneth | yes | 18:46 |
| xkenneth | following the tutorial.. | 18:47 |
| mgedmin | well then | 18:48 |
| mgedmin | it means you wrote some zcml | 18:48 |
| xkenneth | correct | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | that has either <browser:menuItem> or <browser:page menu="..." title="..."> | 18:49 |
| mgedmin | and I was wondering whether these directives had for=".interfaces.IYourInterfaceName" or for=".implementation.YourClassName" | 18:49 |
| SteveA | thanks philiKON_ | 18:49 |
| xkenneth | actually it has | 18:50 |
| xkenneth | addmenuitem=myclass.MyClass | 18:50 |
| lisppaste6 | xkenneth pasted "My configure.zcml" at http://paste.lisp.org/display/54323 | 18:50 |
| SteveA | philiKON_: who is able to fix the problems with zope3 on python2.5 on 64 bit linux? and is this something that some funded development would help with? | 18:50 |
| xkenneth | that help? | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | xkenneth: it doesn't disprove my theory | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | I was just looking for zope 3 bugs about menu items breaking down when they are registered for a class rather than for an interface | 18:53 |
| mgedmin | I didn't find any | 18:53 |
| xkenneth | ah | 18:54 |
| xkenneth | i really appreciate all of your help | 18:54 |
| mgedmin | maybe you're the first to find it :-) | 18:54 |
| xkenneth | heh | 18:54 |
| xkenneth | i always break stuff | 18:54 |
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| mgedmin | hm it seems to have been fixed in rev 79035 | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | yep, it was a bug, and it's fixed in a newer zope 3 version | 18:55 |
| xkenneth | oh ok | 18:55 |
| mgedmin | as a workaround, you can refrain from registering menu items for classes | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | and use interfaces like the rest of us | 18:56 |
| xkenneth | any docs? | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | ? | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | you mentioned a tutorial | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | what tutorial? | 18:56 |
| mgedmin | doesn't it describe interfaces? | 18:57 |
| xkenneth | oh no | 18:57 |
| xkenneth | i'm using an interface | 18:57 |
| xkenneth | perhaps i'm just registering it incorrectly with zope | 18:58 |
| mgedmin | so there's an IMWDCommander then? | 18:58 |
| xkenneth | yes | 18:58 |
| xkenneth | sorry, still a newbie here | 18:59 |
| xkenneth | you can view the source if you like | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | go through your zcml and replace for=".MWDCommander.MWDCommander" with for=".whereveryouputit.IMWDCommander" | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | ignore the addMenuItem, it's not the one that broke | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | just the two <browser:page> directives | 18:59 |
| mgedmin | that should fix it | 18:59 |
| xkenneth | yes it did | 19:01 |
| xkenneth | thanks | 19:01 |
| xkenneth | i really appreciate your help | 19:02 |
| xkenneth | are you a developer? | 19:02 |
| mgedmin | yes | 19:02 |
| xkenneth | cool | 19:02 |
| xkenneth | mind if i ask another question? | 19:03 |
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| mgedmin | don't ask to ask, just ask | 19:04 |
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| xkenneth | ah k | 19:05 |
| xkenneth | so is there any way to view the macro defined by the statement "<html metal:use-macro="context/@@standard_macros/view">" so that i can write my own? or is that some sort of default statement that's understood by zope? | 19:06 |
| mgedmin | look at src/zope/app/rotterdam/view_macros.pt | 19:08 |
| philiKON_ | SteveA: sorry, no idea | 19:08 |
| srichter | J1m: Theuni: ZODB 3.8.0 final time? | 19:08 |
| xkenneth | thx | 19:08 |
| srichter | Theuni: do you have any objections to the final version? | 19:08 |
| mgedmin | there's a StandardMacros view somewhere that does some magic remapping of 'view' to 'page' for backwards compatibility, if I'm not mistaken | 19:08 |
| srichter | J1m: I noticed that ZODB 3.8.0c1 did not include registerDB.test, so some tests are failing because of that | 19:09 |
| srichter | J1m: this file will be included, if you use setuptools, but with plain old distutils I could not make it be included | 19:09 |
| mgedmin | philiKON_: any details about those python2.5 problems and 64-bit systems? | 19:10 |
| mgedmin | do any of the problems also apply to python2.4 on 64-bit systems? | 19:10 |
| philiKON_ | iirc, they're btree related | 19:10 |
| philiKON_ | there's an issue on launchpad | 19:10 |
| * mgedmin searches | 19:11 | |
| SteveA | hmm... I don't think we use btrees in lp | 19:11 |
| * philiKON_ can't find anything | 19:11 | |
| mgedmin | "64" is a bad keyword for searching :) | 19:11 |
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| philiKON_ | mgedmin, SteveA: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/zodb/+bug/153316 | 19:17 |
| philiKON_ | seems like it was fixed | 19:17 |
| mgedmin | thanks | 19:20 |
| mgedmin | hm, it doesn't mention python versions much | 19:20 |
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| Theuni | srichter: IMHO go ahead. | 19:24 |
| Theuni | srichter: oh wait. | 19:24 |
| Theuni | there's a blob test failing on windows | 19:24 |
| Theuni | that's in as high priority | 19:24 |
| Theuni | the clientstorage bug isn't that important for me in 3.8, it's more relevant for 3.9 | 19:25 |
| bigkevmcd | Anybody had a chance to look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/zope3/+bug/181833 ? | 19:25 |
| Theuni | everything else is not a showstopper | 19:25 |
| mgedmin | mmm, fast machines | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | Ran 654 tests with 0 failures and 0 errors in 41.275 seconds. | 19:31 |
| mgedmin | (zodb tests from zope 3.2 on python2.4 on a 64-bit machine) | 19:31 |
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| supton | dumb question (purely out of curiosity): is there a reason why the zope.annotation egg in pypi depends on 73 other packages (including a bunch of zope.app.* packages)? (Not that I'm advocating use of cheeseshop for production applications!) | 19:46 |
| srichter | Theuni: is this bug reported? | 19:46 |
| srichter | supton: it is historical; there are some dependencies that we have to unscrew to make this sane | 19:47 |
| srichter | supton: btw, using the cheeseshop in combination with the Zope 3.4 KGS is okay for production :-) | 19:47 |
| supton | srichter: thanks, thought as much. | 19:47 |
| xkenneth | does Zope generally have a hard time with safari? | 19:48 |
| * supton is using zope.schema, zope.component, zope.interface in a non-web, non-ZODB CA framework - trying to keep dependencies low. | 19:48 | |
| mgedmin | unraveling historical dependencies is a noble goal | 19:49 |
| srichter | supton: that's cool | 19:54 |
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| xkenneth | can I access an object inside of zope? IE i created my class, gave it an interface, and registered the interface, and I can add it/use it from within zope, but is there any way i could get into the data stored inside that class from an external python process? perhaps by connecting to zope's instance of the ZODB as a zeo client? | 20:11 |
| xkenneth | anybody? | 20:15 |
| supton | xkenneth: try getting comfortable exploring in zopectl debug, then write a script you run with zopectl run. You have the right idea on how this might work: you would likely want to set up another zeo client just for running scripts. | 20:20 |
| xkenneth | supton | 20:20 |
| xkenneth | is it ok to talk in main? | 20:20 |
| J1m | Theuni, does that mean that 3.8 is ready to go? Or not? | 20:21 |
| J1m | srichter, I have no time/desire to debug the non-setuptools installation wrt the test file. | 20:21 |
| J1m | 3.9 is going to require setuptools. :) | 20:21 |
| J1m | Much of the complexity in the ZODB setup file is to overcome limitations in distutils that setuptools addresses. afaik | 20:22 |
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| mgedmin | supton: yeah, zopectl debug (aka bin/debugzope) is good | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | err | 20:30 |
| mgedmin | that was supposed to be directed to xkenneth | 20:30 |
| xkenneth | well | 20:31 |
| xkenneth | that wasn't quite what i was getting at | 20:31 |
| xkenneth | let me explain my situation | 20:31 |
| xkenneth | i've got an external python process, that does alot of daq | 20:31 |
| xkenneth | i make lots of calculation on this data etc, graphs, text, blah | 20:31 |
| xkenneth | and i want all of this to be displayed via the web by zope | 20:32 |
| xkenneth | and i really like zodb for storing data as opposed to a traditional row/column relational database | 20:32 |
| xkenneth | so i was going to do one of two things | 20:32 |
| xkenneth | start an external zeo process | 20:32 |
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| xkenneth | and have my external python process, populate it with data, and have my zope product simply read the data and display | 20:33 |
| xkenneth | or if i can, it would be nice to find some way to connect to my zope instance as a zeo client | 20:33 |
| xkenneth | and populate perhaps an array or something, which is an attribute of one instance of my product, and let the ZODB that zope is running off of handle all of the storage | 20:34 |
| xkenneth | i hope i'm being clear with all of this.. | 20:34 |
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| mgedmin | yes | 20:37 |
| mgedmin | you can do that with zeo, yes | 20:37 |
| xkenneth | well i guess my question was can i connect to my zope instances db as a zeo client? | 20:38 |
| xkenneth | sorry this isn't really zope3 dev related.... | 20:39 |
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| mgedmin | as usual I don't know where this is documented | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | but I know how to find examples in the source tree ;) | 20:42 |
| xkenneth | thanks | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | you'll need to import ZODB.DB and create a ZODB.DB.DB() instance | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | passing a storage to it | 20:42 |
| mgedmin | and that storage will be ZEOClientStorage or some such | 20:42 |
| xkenneth | thanks again | 20:44 |
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| J1m | Theuni, do you know how to add someone to a launchpad project? | 21:34 |
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| J1m | I think I figured it out. | 21:38 |
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| xkenneth | fairly quiet room | 23:50 |
| benji | yep | 23:52 |
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| xkenneth | is there a good bit of documentation on macros? | 23:55 |
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| benji | the METAL spec is at http://wiki.zope.org/ZPT/METALSpecification11 | 23:56 |
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| xkenneth | thx | 23:56 |
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