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| malthe | Is anyone familiar with a "transforms" package providing some abstraction and/or implementation for mimetype-transformations? Hanno is working on something like this in a Plone-context, but seems to be somewhat tied to legacy code. | 00:34 |
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| hazmat | malthe, see ore.transform | 02:19 |
| hazmat | its pretty bare bones | 02:19 |
| hazmat | stream oriented | 02:21 |
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| percious | any wsgi experts in here | 05:41 |
| percious | how about grok, anyone from grok here? | 05:41 |
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| vod | percious: if you want an expert in both you can ask mattbowen when hes on | 05:49 |
| percious | ok | 05:50 |
| percious | thanks | 05:50 |
| percious | anyone use repoze? | 05:50 |
| mcdonc | percious: i do | 05:50 |
| percious | oh | 05:50 |
| percious | with grok? | 05:50 |
| mcdonc | percious: more with zope2 but i've installed repoze.grok | 05:51 |
| percious | interesting. | 05:51 |
| percious | so repose makes zope WSGI compliant, right? | 05:51 |
| mcdonc | grok has its own irc channel too (#grok) | 05:51 |
| percious | cool, thanks, ill look there | 05:51 |
| percious | i think my questions are more zope3 specific | 05:52 |
| mcdonc | percious: yes, although it's more useful for zope2 than it is for grok (grok is already largely wsgi based) | 05:52 |
| percious | hmmm | 05:52 |
| percious | interesting | 05:52 |
| percious | because by default grok starts up the twisted server | 05:52 |
| percious | according to the zopectl | 05:52 |
| mcdonc | i think it uses the wsgi interface to twisted to do so | 05:52 |
| percious | hmm | 05:52 |
| mcdonc | so theoretically you could replace it with any wsgi server | 05:52 |
| percious | i need to figure a way to hook into that wiskey interface | 05:53 |
| percious | ide rather use the twisted server | 05:53 |
| percious | i just need to add some middleware | 05:53 |
| mcdonc | pastedeploy (which ships with repoze.grok) is a way to wire up middleware and apps | 05:53 |
| mcdonc | (declaratively) | 05:53 |
| percious | right | 05:53 |
| percious | in case you are wondering what I am doing... I got Toscawidgets to work with Zope tonight | 05:54 |
| mcdonc | percious: woot! | 05:54 |
| percious | I just don't like the solution, seems dirty | 05:54 |
| percious | and dbsprox works too | 05:54 |
| percious | err, dbsprockets | 05:54 |
| percious | so that is some progress | 05:54 |
| mcdonc | i've not used either but i think i know what they're for ;-) | 05:54 |
| percious | pretty happy to see my form show up in a grok app | 05:55 |
| percious | i need a wider user base, you know what I mean? | 05:55 |
| mcdonc | you do or grok goes? | 05:55 |
| percious | dbsprockets does | 05:56 |
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| mcdonc | oic... so you are the author? | 05:56 |
| percious | yes | 05:56 |
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| * mcdonc reads about dbsprockets | 05:56 | |
| percious | google code | 05:56 |
| percious | http://dbsprockets.googlecode.com | 05:57 |
| percious | for anyone who is listening | 05:57 |
| mcdonc | percious: nice... it's *great* to see alternate formgen stuff | 05:57 |
| percious | yeah | 05:57 |
| percious | completely formencode/Toscawidgets based | 05:58 |
| percious | and thank you | 05:58 |
| percious | and its cross-framework | 05:58 |
| percious | I would like to get it working on Django | 05:59 |
| percious | that would burn them up :) | 05:59 |
| mcdonc | i'm not much of a fan of the existing zope formgen solutions... | 05:59 |
| mcdonc | oh yeah? little rivalry happening there? ;-) | 05:59 |
| percious | oh no? | 06:00 |
| mcdonc | the arvada tavern! | 06:00 |
| percious | hmm, i wonder if I have been there | 06:00 |
| percious | there is a great new place downtown... | 06:00 |
| mcdonc | the filthy critic always uses it as a prop... http://www.bigempire.com/filthy/ | 06:00 |
| percious | wait, i think we went in the tavern once | 06:00 |
| percious | but we didnt eat there... | 06:01 |
| mcdonc | i've never been there, i dont even know if it exists, but he uses it to set up jokes.. ;-) | 06:01 |
| percious | oh | 06:01 |
| percious | this is arvada, co, USA | 06:01 |
| percious | ;-) | 06:01 |
| mcdonc | i believe he is referring to the same place ;-) | 06:02 |
| percious | interesting | 06:02 |
| percious | here I thought we were only famous for "The Fray" | 06:02 |
| mcdonc | heh | 06:03 |
| percious | so does this start a wsgi server then? | 06:04 |
| percious | zope.app.twisted.main.main() | 06:04 |
| mcdonc | percious: likely | 06:04 |
| percious | hmm | 06:04 |
| percious | *searches middleware grok | 06:04 |
| mcdonc | it'd probably be easier to wire it up via pastedeploy (and it'd be easiest to get pastedeploy wired up to grok via repoze.grok likely) | 06:05 |
| percious | hmmm | 06:05 |
| mcdonc | ftr, i am one of (the four or five) developers of repoze | 06:05 |
| percious | good to know | 06:06 |
| percious | im a TG developer by trade | 06:06 |
| percious | my boss is stuck on Plone though... | 06:06 |
| percious | i am trying to find a middle ground | 06:06 |
| percious | Grok! | 06:06 |
| dcousins | percious: have you installed grok with `grokproject`? | 06:07 |
| percious | yeah | 06:07 |
| percious | i have indeed | 06:07 |
| mcdonc | percious: right... i am currently at the Plone "strategic planning summit" in CA... i suspect Plone (in particular) is going to be more WSGI friendly soon | 06:07 |
| dcousins | doesn't that already then use paste and a deploy.ini | 06:07 |
| dcousins | ? | 06:08 |
| percious | yeah, but i cant handle Products, Archetypes, or Zope 2 | 06:08 |
| percious | sorry about that | 06:08 |
| percious | i much prefer ORMs, WIdgets, and Eggs | 06:08 |
| dcousins | I see, have you tried repoze.grok? | 06:08 |
| percious | no, but I will in a few seconds | 06:08 |
| mcdonc | i dont blame you (i lobbied for making archetypes optional today) | 06:08 |
| dcousins | that gives you far more wsgi setup | 06:08 |
| percious | +1 to that brother! | 06:08 |
| percious | ah | 06:08 |
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| percious | do i just easy_install repoze.grok? | 06:09 |
| percious | and then re-project my grok project? | 06:09 |
| percious | easy_installing now | 06:10 |
| * dcousins has to look again at docs :-\ | 06:10 | |
| percious | hmmm... | 06:10 |
| dcousins | bin/easy_install -f http://dist.repoze.org/ repoze.project | 06:10 |
| percious | nice | 06:11 |
| dcousins | bin/repozeproject repoze.grok --path=/path/to/grok | 06:11 |
| percious | sudoing! | 06:11 |
| percious | ok sweet, it's in there | 06:11 |
| * dcousins prefers virtualenv | 06:11 | |
| dcousins | http://repoze.org/quickstart.html | 06:11 |
| percious | yeah, i had this discussion with zope/plone peeps before | 06:11 |
| percious | i like one sandbox | 06:12 |
| percious | if the kids cant play, they get kicked out! | 06:12 |
| dcousins | I've only had a small play with repoze and a read of the docs | 06:12 |
| percious | so far, zope3 and grok are playing nicely | 06:12 |
| mcdonc | you don't actually need to install it that way... i can tell you how to install it in a virtualenv without repozeproject if you'd like | 06:12 |
| * dcousins would be curious | 06:12 | |
| percious | right, i was just looking at this page | 06:12 |
| mcdonc | right | 06:13 |
| mcdonc | http://grok.zope.org/documentation/tutorial/installing-and-setting-up-grok-under-mod-wsgi/introduction/?searchterm=repoze | 06:13 |
| percious | yeah, but im not running apache | 06:13 |
| dcousins | oh yeah, I remember reading that | 06:13 |
| percious | i just want a simple wsgi server that will do the zope stuff | 06:13 |
| mcdonc | those docs tell you how to install it without using repozeproject... an you just skip the steps about mod_wsgi | 06:13 |
| percious | im going to try this repoze thing | 06:13 |
| percious | how's the weather in cali? | 06:14 |
| percious | 75 and sunny like always? | 06:14 |
| mcdonc | essentially just this: http://grok.zope.org/documentation/tutorial/installing-and-setting-up-grok-under-mod-wsgi/installing-and-configuring-a-grok-site-under | 06:14 |
| mcdonc | weather is great | 06:14 |
| percious | hmm | 06:14 |
| mcdonc | a little nippy, but the plone folks are gathered out at the pool anyway, and i'm about to go out to join em | 06:15 |
| percious | sounds like a plan | 06:15 |
| percious | i gotta get me one of those waterproof computers.... | 06:15 |
| mcdonc | percious: that last link i sent describes how to set it up without using repozeproject (repozeproject actually just automates all that) | 06:16 |
| percious | oh crap | 06:16 |
| percious | repose just poluted me | 06:16 |
| percious | oh ok | 06:16 |
| mcdonc | instead of starting apache, you'd just run "bin/paster serve etc/grok.ini" | 06:17 |
| percious | yeah | 06:18 |
| percious | im down with that | 06:18 |
| percious | i love paster serve | 06:18 |
| percious | tg2 is supposed to go to a "turbogears" form of that | 06:18 |
| percious | i wish they would just stick with paster serve | 06:18 |
| percious | ut-oh | 06:19 |
| percious | will virtualenv work with 2.5? | 06:19 |
| mcdonc | yup | 06:19 |
| percious | cool | 06:21 |
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| percious | i likey virtualenv | 06:22 |
| percious | ok, my computer went crazy instaqlling stuff | 06:24 |
| percious | ok, so I can skip the apache stuff | 06:25 |
| percious | right? | 06:25 |
| mcdonc | yup | 06:25 |
| percious | which paster is going to serve grok? | 06:26 |
| percious | i dont see it in the virtualenv that i created's bin | 06:26 |
| mcdonc | it should have installed PasteDeploy, is it in site-packages? | 06:28 |
| percious | easy_installing now | 06:28 |
| percious | hmp | 06:28 |
| percious | not going into the bin | 06:28 |
| percious | i wonder why | 06:28 |
| mcdonc | how did you manage to get repoze.grok installed without getting pastedeploy installed? | 06:28 |
| percious | i have NO idea | 06:29 |
| percious | PasteDeploy is in the site-packages | 06:29 |
| percious | there is no "paster" script in the bin though | 06:29 |
| mcdonc | i'm not sure what to say | 06:30 |
| percious | :-/ | 06:30 |
| percious | where is it supposed to be? | 06:30 |
| mcdonc | in bin | 06:30 |
| percious | [668]cperkins1@cperkins-10700S $ cd bin | 06:31 |
| percious | [669]cperkins1@cperkins-10700S $ ls | 06:31 |
| percious | activate fsoids mkzeoinst runzeo zeoctl | 06:31 |
| percious | easy_install fsrefs pygmentize zconfig zeopack | 06:31 |
| mcdonc | i mean, it's easy_install's job to put it there | 06:31 |
| percious | easy_install-2.5 fstail python zconfig_schema2html zeopasswd | 06:31 |
| percious | fsdump mkgrokinstance repozo zdaemon | 06:31 |
| percious | i know, weirdness | 06:31 |
| percious | hmp | 06:31 |
| mcdonc | try this: create another virtualenv and do "bin/easy_install PasteScript>=1.3.6" | 06:32 |
| mcdonc | and see if you see a paster in the bindir | 06:32 |
| percious | im going to be crafty and copy my other paste | 06:32 |
| percious | *paster | 06:32 |
| mcdonc | ow | 06:32 |
| mcdonc | ok, i've gotta run, apologies, good meeting you... | 06:32 |
| percious | likewise | 06:33 |
| mcdonc | au jus | 06:33 |
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| percious | oy | 06:40 |
| percious | (grok 0.11.1 (/Users/cperkins1/offsite/groksprox/lib/python2.5/site-packages/grok-0.11.1-py2.5.egg), Requirement.parse('grok==0.11')) | 06:40 |
| percious | this is sort of painful | 06:40 |
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| malthe | hazmat: i'll take a look at ore.transforms | 10:50 |
| malthe | no plural | 10:50 |
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| malthe | What's the difference between an IAbsoluteURL-adapter and the 'absolute_url' view? That is, why this duality? | 14:40 |
| malthe | I guess both should be registered | 14:46 |
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| edgordon | i am setting up an index on a datetime attribute, w/ the default being False. but when i run the evolve script to add it to my app, i get 'TypeError: can't compare datetime.datetime to bool'. Is there a correct way of doing this? | 21:15 |
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| mgedmin | don't make the default False | 21:45 |
| mgedmin | make the default None or something | 21:45 |
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| ignas | yippie "sudo apt-get install buildout" works | 21:59 |
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| thruflo | hi, i'm having trouble understanding a traceback when trying to run a DocTestSuite | 23:47 |
| thruflo | it's my first real attempt at a doc test without directly cribbing it from a tutorial, so hopefully it's something trival that i'm just not getting | 23:47 |
| thruflo | traceback: http://pastebin.com/d3715dc41; tests.py http://pastebin.com/d7d1db109; module: http://pastebin.com/d78d3d4b | 23:48 |
| thruflo | basically, the traceback says there's an ImportError importing a module, pesto.obj.video | 23:48 |
| thruflo | a sanity check in the debugzope shell confirms that I can normally import it fine | 23:48 |
| thruflo | is there a reason why that module would fail in this context?! The src for the pesto.obj.video module is http://pesto.largeblue.net/trac/browser/pesto/obj/video | 23:49 |
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