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| malthe | what's the deal with __debug__; when is it set? | 14:20 |
| afd__ | True on normal python startup, False when python is started with -O | 14:21 |
| afd__ | (AFAIK) | 14:21 |
| malthe | which is the default with 'start'? | 14:22 |
| afd__ | I think | 14:22 |
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| malthe | afd__: True in both cases | 14:24 |
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| afd__ | malthe: http://dpaste.com/37717/ | 14:25 |
| malthe | cool; how would you invoke zope with -O? | 14:26 |
| malthe | the application runner that is | 14:26 |
| afd__ | change runzope | 14:26 |
| malthe | ok | 14:26 |
| malthe | afd__: on resource merging: does it make sense to merge only when __debug__ is False? | 14:26 |
| malthe | or what other mechanism should decide this. | 14:26 |
| malthe | it certainly could be configurable in zcml, too. | 14:27 |
| afd__ | malthe: I think devmode in local.conf | 14:27 |
| malthe | right that's it; good call. | 14:27 |
| afd__ | malthe: I like the architecture of resourceinclude, the only thing that I don't like is the naming of the "provide" utility function. I feel that it should be more obvious what it does | 14:30 |
| malthe | what's a better name for it? | 14:30 |
| malthe | resource library calls it 'need'. | 14:31 |
| * afd__ is thinking | 14:31 | |
| afd__ | maybe request_provides(ISomething) | 14:32 |
| afd__ | not very happy with this suggestion either | 14:32 |
| afd__ | /s/either/also | 14:33 |
| malthe | hmm what's the opposite of have devmode | 14:33 |
| malthe | need(IAuthoring) | 14:34 |
| malthe | maybe need really is better | 14:34 |
| afd__ | it sounds good, although it kind of lies to what it does :) | 14:34 |
| malthe | yep | 14:34 |
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| malthe | ah not-have | 14:35 |
| projekt01 | malthe, do you mean with resource merge, merge two CSS files into one and serve this single file? | 14:37 |
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| malthe | projekt01: yep; hang on--I'm about to release 0.2 with merge-support. | 14:38 |
| projekt01 | malthe, ah, now I understand what you are doing. Very cool! | 14:39 |
| malthe | projekt01: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/z3c.resourceinclude/0.2 | 14:39 |
| malthe | but you need to not be in devmode | 14:39 |
| malthe | seems to be the default for a grok project | 14:39 |
| malthe | projekt01: I'm digesting the merged files so I can set the file to never expire. | 14:40 |
| projekt01 | I like include="example.css" looks very smart | 14:41 |
| malthe | it accepts multiple files btw | 14:41 |
| malthe | err paths | 14:41 |
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| malthe | I guess it's important to stress that they're not files, but resource names | 14:41 |
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| afd__ | malthe: what about request_include(ISomething) ? | 14:42 |
| malthe | include is good at least | 14:43 |
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| malthe | request_ is a bit much maybe | 14:43 |
| afd__ | :) | 14:43 |
| projekt01 | afd, ehh underscorse | 14:43 |
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| malthe | afd__: is that acceptable? --- ``include`` ? | 14:43 |
| afd__ | for me, yes | 14:43 |
| malthe | k I'll add support and deprecate the former | 14:44 |
| projekt01 | malthe, what do I need to define in the tamplate that the includes get used? | 14:45 |
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| malthe | projekt01: first, you need to use two-phase rendering -or- push all your layers on the request before rendering the content provider. | 14:46 |
| malthe | this is why the package can't work directly with a "main_template.pt"-approach. | 14:47 |
| malthe | I use it on the vudo-project where we have complete two-phase rendering; each component in the page gets a chance to say, "Hey, I need ``IAuthoring``." | 14:47 |
| afd__ | but this is for the best, I never how zc.resourcelibrary changes the request | 14:48 |
| malthe | right that's what I thought | 14:48 |
| projekt01 | what do I need to do in the update phase? | 14:48 |
| malthe | there is still a possibility to hack it onto the page | 14:48 |
| afd__ | also, as far as I know, it wasn't compatible with zrtresource | 14:48 |
| malthe | projekt01: in the update-phase, call z3c.resourceinclude.provide (soon ``include``), passing the layer you need. | 14:49 |
| malthe | or, to get started right away, just leave this part and register your includes for IDefaultBrowserLayer (this is the default). | 14:49 |
| projekt01 | why do I need to do that? normaly the skin provides this layers? | 14:49 |
| malthe | right exactly | 14:49 |
| malthe | so this part is only for autonomous components. | 14:49 |
| projekt01 | Ah, if the skin provides the layer then the resource get included out of the box? | 14:50 |
| malthe | yep | 14:50 |
| malthe | projekt01: then set up this viewlet: http://pastebin.org/22184 | 14:50 |
| projekt01 | does the include(IMyLayer) the same like alsoProvides(self.request, IMyLayer) ? | 14:51 |
| malthe | I suppose I could directly implement a viewlet in the package, not only a content provider. | 14:51 |
| malthe | projekt01: yes | 14:51 |
| malthe | but it gets the request for the current participation | 14:51 |
| projekt01 | why not use the alsoProvides directly instead of includes? | 14:52 |
| malthe | actually it makes sense to define the viewlet yourself, because you'll want to cache the output for some period | 14:52 |
| malthe | projekt01: I thought maybe it's easier to understand | 14:52 |
| projekt01 | or at least applySkin which is use in other parts of zope | 14:52 |
| malthe | ah ok | 14:53 |
| projekt01 | probably applyLayer is the right term | 14:53 |
| malthe | projekt01: feel free to improve this in the code btw | 14:53 |
| projekt01 | I wish I had more time ;-) | 14:54 |
| malthe | hehe | 14:54 |
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| projekt01 | malthe, I think includes (apply layer interface) is a little bit dangerous because it brings not only resourceinclude things into the game | 14:55 |
| afd__ | projekt01: I think the idea is that you create special interfaces just for the purpose of them acting as resource libraries | 14:55 |
| malthe | that's it | 14:56 |
| projekt01 | I see, sounds aceptable | 14:56 |
| malthe | it makes looking up applicable resources fast | 14:56 |
| malthe | and you have the advantage of imports, not just text-strings | 14:56 |
| projekt01 | And I don't have to use "includes" if a skin already is inherited from such a layer, right? | 14:57 |
| afd__ | yes | 14:57 |
| projekt01 | cool | 14:57 |
| malthe | projekt01: yeah so the cheap version is to just always include everything, but you get the benefit of auto-merging | 14:58 |
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| tarek | hi all, is there a way to include a js file in a widget ? (since the widget does not have the form context) | 15:06 |
| malthe | tarek: you'll need to either use a library like z3c.resourceinclude or include the .js manually in your <head>. | 15:09 |
| * malthe ducks | 15:09 | |
| * afd__ notices shamless plug | 15:10 | |
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| tarek | malthe, thx | 15:11 |
| projekt01 | tarke, if you use z3c.form, you can register a template for the widget, I think per context, request, view widget | 15:11 |
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| tarek | projekt01, ok thx | 15:12 |
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| malthe | projekt01: I added a viewlet for convenience; it keeps a one-hour cache. | 16:31 |
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| projekt01 | malthe, sound great! | 16:59 |
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| malthe | projekt01: caching saves about 50 ms, so it's substantial. | 17:01 |
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| danielblackburn | noticed some weirdness with pypi, my app would not grab the latest version of a package from pypi and even said the version specified could not be found. Then I just ran an easy_install of just the package alone and magically the next time I ran buildout of the other app the package was available. | 17:44 |
| agroszer | hey Daniel | 17:44 |
| danielblackburn | hey | 17:44 |
| agroszer | somtimes pypi burps | 17:45 |
| agroszer | that's why it's giving those false errors | 17:45 |
| danielblackburn | mm | 17:45 |
| agroszer | re-run buildout or easy_install, on a 2nd 3rd try it works again | 17:45 |
| danielblackburn | yeah, its seems to work now | 17:46 |
| agroszer | pypi is kinda overloaded | 17:46 |
| danielblackburn | do you know if there is a fix in the works | 17:46 |
| danielblackburn | yeah , I imagine | 17:46 |
| agroszer | no idea | 17:46 |
| danielblackburn | mm | 17:46 |
| agroszer | no idea if somebody is working on that | 17:47 |
| agroszer | do you have buildout cache set up? | 17:48 |
| agroszer | danielblackburn ^^ | 17:49 |
| danielblackburn | buildout cache? | 17:50 |
| danielblackburn | not that I know of | 17:50 |
| agroszer | makes buildouts pretty quick | 17:50 |
| danielblackburn | like -N | 17:51 |
| agroszer | kinda, but even for other projects, it will download and store the eggs once | 17:51 |
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| danielblackburn | I will have to look into that | 17:52 |
| agroszer | see http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.buildout#using-a-download-cache | 17:52 |
| danielblackburn | thx | 17:53 |
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| agroszer | and create a ~/.buildout/default.cfg | 17:53 |
| agroszer | that completes the thing | 17:53 |
| agroszer | you're welcome | 17:53 |
| danielblackburn | thats really cool | 17:54 |
| hazmat | danielblackburn, i've had that same issue | 17:56 |
| danielblackburn | Its pretty annoying | 17:56 |
| hazmat | basically buildout bombs finding the package, but easy_install finds it | 17:56 |
| danielblackburn | but once easy_install finds it buildout finds it... | 17:56 |
| hazmat | i found it reproducible for python-memcached | 17:56 |
| danielblackburn | mm | 17:57 |
| hazmat | you should always use easy_install within a virtualenv | 17:57 |
| hazmat | imo, or a separate interpreter.. else you pollute the gobal namespace | 17:57 |
| danielblackburn | ah, yes | 17:57 |
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| instantfoo | hi! I want to store a bunch of (potentially thousands) intids persistently. What data types are recommended? I'm looking at IIBTree.IISet, IFBTree.IFTreeSet or something similar? | 23:01 |
| instantfoo | i will do mostly a __contains__ and union/intersect operations on this collection | 23:03 |
| srichter | I think IISet is okay | 23:03 |
| instantfoo | ok! | 23:05 |
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