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| quodt | hey Theuni_ , i'll point you again to the (probably fixed) bug about the zeo cache. https://bugs.launchpad.net/zodb/+bug/114814 | 11:31 |
| quodt | as far as i know was the bug fixed but not released | 11:32 |
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| quodt | do you know when the fix will be released? | 11:33 |
| quodt | Theuni_: ^ | 11:33 |
| Theuni_ | quodt: i couldn't tell whether it was fixed | 11:34 |
| Theuni_ | which checkin claims to fix it? | 11:35 |
| quodt | Theuni_: one sec | 11:35 |
| quodt | Theuni_: i guess in 82895 | 11:36 |
| quodt | this is the diff http://svn.zope.org/ZODB/trunk/src/ZEO/cache.py?rev=82895&r1=82745&r2=82895 | 11:37 |
| Theuni_ | uh oh | 11:38 |
| Theuni_ | that sounds familiar | 11:38 |
| Theuni_ | I wouldn't think that this would fix that bug | 11:38 |
| Theuni_ | I would think thats unrelated. | 11:38 |
| Theuni_ | The error in the bug is about the tempdir getting full. | 11:40 |
| Theuni_ | But now that you mention that. This is interesting. | 11:40 |
| Theuni_ | Because a full tempdir shouldn't affect the cache. | 11:40 |
| Theuni_ | Because the size of the cache is fixed and allocated at the time of opening the file. | 11:40 |
| quodt | hmm, a full tempdir could cause my problem | 11:42 |
| quodt | jodok has postet a comment on launchpad | 11:42 |
| quodt | i very hard to reproduze that error | 11:43 |
| quodt | s/i/it's | 11:43 |
| Theuni_ | How would a full tempdir cause the problem reported in that bug? | 11:49 |
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| baijum | J1m, do you have plan to release those zc.extjs & zc.extjsresource packages under LGPL ? | 15:46 |
| J1m | no | 15:47 |
| J1m | baijum, ext is a dead end. | 15:47 |
| J1m | :( | 15:47 |
| * J1m should have run away from the wonky license at the beginning | 15:48 | |
| * baijum once recommended this package to his boss once mentioning that Jim Fulton like it...now I have to tell this story also :( | 15:50 | |
| J1m | It is good technology. | 15:51 |
| J1m | Their commercial license is an opeion for some folks. | 15:51 |
| J1m | option | 15:51 |
| philiKON | what are you guys using now, J1m? | 15:51 |
| J1m | Ext | 15:52 |
| J1m | But we can't release what we've built with it without violating their intent and possibly their license, which really sucks. | 15:52 |
| philiKON | i see, so you're just using it internally then | 15:53 |
| J1m | Yes, for now. | 15:53 |
| J1m | I think we're going to take another look at YUI. | 15:54 |
| baijum | J1m, but any problem to release that code under LGPL itself ? | 15:54 |
| philiKON | i've heard good stuff about YUI | 15:54 |
| baijum | (without committing svn.zope.org) | 15:54 |
| J1m | Ding so would violate either their license or their intent. | 15:54 |
| J1m | gaaa | 15:55 |
| J1m | Doing so would violate either their license or their intent. | 15:55 |
| J1m | Some argue that their license is broken and doesn't reflect their intent. | 15:55 |
| J1m | I expect theim to fix their license to make sure it is restrictive as they intend. | 15:55 |
| J1m | s/theim/them | 15:56 |
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| philiKON | it's hard to see what their intent is, other than reading the license | 15:57 |
| philiKON | to me, it looks like they simply want you to follow the LGPL rules | 15:57 |
| philiKON | in particular Section 4, Combined Works | 15:58 |
| J1m | No. | 15:58 |
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| J1m | Their position is that you can't use their open-source license unless you meat one of 3 conditions: | 15:58 |
| J1m | An open source project that precludes using non-open source software | 15:59 |
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| J1m | we don't satisfy that because we don't preclude using non-open-source sw. IOW, we don't satisfy because we aren't GPL. | 16:00 |
| J1m | 2. Use Ext in a personal, educational or non-profit manner | 16:00 |
| J1m | Many zope users, like us, don;t satisfy this. | 16:00 |
| J1m | 3. Use Ext in any application (including commercial) that is not a software development library or toolkit | 16:00 |
| J1m | Ironically, ZC's commercial applications satisfy this, but anything released to the zope.org repo wouldn't. | 16:01 |
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| zagy_ | haha | 16:01 |
| zagy_ | how ironic | 16:02 |
| philiKON | J1m: right | 16:02 |
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| J1m | when I first started using and promoting ext, I hadn't fully appreciated the word "preclude" in the first case. :( | 16:02 |
| J1m | Bad bad bad me. | 16:02 |
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| philiKON | so basically, their intent is that if you're open source, you mustn't allow non-open-source code to be executed with it? | 16:03 |
| J1m | IANAL and open-source license that are the least bit tricky should always be avoided. | 16:03 |
| J1m | Basically, their intend is that if you are open source, you must be GPL. | 16:04 |
| philiKON | but they don't write that | 16:04 |
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| J1m | what they write is extremely confusing, which is why I should have run away form their license right away. | 16:05 |
| philiKON | i see | 16:05 |
| J1m | as many others have wisely done | 16:05 |
| philiKON | well, as said, ive heard good things about YUI | 16:05 |
| J1m | as I thought of doing. | 16:05 |
| * MattBowen|work asks that people don't forget dojo, then quiets right back down | 16:07 | |
| philiKON | tried dojo once. it's a beast | 16:07 |
| zagy | the dojofoolkit? | 16:07 |
| MattBowen|work | haha | 16:07 |
| MattBowen|work | philiKON: how long ago, though? | 16:07 |
| philiKON | 2 years | 16:07 |
| MattBowen|work | philiKON: they rewrote it to be much simpler and more manageable. | 16:08 |
| MattBowen|work | they agreed it was a beast :) | 16:08 |
| philiKON | hmm, ok | 16:09 |
| MattBowen|work | at least worth looking at a second time, if you can get the bad taste of the huge monolithic old version out of your mouth | 16:09 |
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| ktwilight_ | jquery is another that one should seriously look at | 16:19 |
| philiKON | not really in the same league | 16:20 |
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| baijum | It looks like there is news about it already : http://www.cnet.com/8301-13505_1-9878693-16.html (ExtJS: When open source is not open at all) | 16:29 |
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| dobee | test | 17:20 |
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| pyqwer | J1m: Hi, I somehow implemented this ++session++ - thing, however, I have 2 problem: First, for the URL rewriting, the ++vh++ is messing things up. Do you know some way to avoid this? | 21:12 |
| J1m | Not off hand, although I'm sure there is a way. :) | 21:13 |
| pyqwer | The second thing is that a "raise Redirect(newurl)" simply raises the error, so it's not catched. | 21:14 |
| J1m | Maybe someone here who has more recent knowldge of the namespace machinery would have some suggestions. | 21:14 |
| pyqwer | J1m: Who would that be? | 21:14 |
| philiKON | pyqwer: Redirect is caught by the publisher | 21:14 |
| pyqwer | No, it's not. It leads to a server error and I see the exception in the traceback. | 21:14 |
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| philiKON | weird. well it *should* be caught by the publisher ;) | 21:17 |
| pyqwer | Well, it looks like this here: | 21:17 |
| pyqwer | File "/home/dusty/prog/zope3-inst/lib/python/zfym_tennis/session.py", line 59, in getClientId | 21:18 |
| pyqwer | raise Redirect(newpath) | 21:18 |
| pyqwer | Redirect: Location: /++session++7TAGr3HqpwSTAHbu1jNWBpoKCBk2ih53WkWOzqppPxRpEik204cTWs/FYMSite/@@/fymskin_mobile_lib/zfym_tennis_mobile.css | 21:18 |
| pyqwer | philiKON: Maybe this is due to the z3c.pagelet? | 21:18 |
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| pyqwer | philiKON: I think I found the reason: I am in zope.publisher.publish.py, line 130. There the exception happens, and it seems it's not caught at this place. | 21:39 |
| pyqwer | The problem is that the code is so complicated and nested that I don't get it. | 21:39 |
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