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| J1m | srichter, ayt> | 00:40 |
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| J1m | atr? | 00:40 |
| J1m | ayt? | 00:40 |
| J1m | gaaaah | 00:40 |
| * benji snickers at J1m. | 00:43 | |
| andres | Is there any interest of some form of namespaced securitypolicy? Ie. which uses another securitypolicy for zope.Whatever and another for andreswork.Whatever? | 00:43 |
| andres | I found that very usefull for myself... | 00:43 |
| srichter | J1m: here | 00:46 |
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| panjunyong | Anyone knows where the tiks.org project moved? It seems the domain is not existed anymore. | 07:35 |
| projekt01 | panjunyong, yes, do you like to get the source code? | 07:38 |
| panjunyong | Yes, I want it. | 07:40 |
| projekt01 | But it's really out of date, very old code and not compatible with the current trunk | 07:40 |
| panjunyong | But there is some packages useful for me. | 07:41 |
| projekt01 | which one do you mean? | 07:41 |
| panjunyong | I remember there was a package which can traverse through the filesystem. | 07:41 |
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| projekt01 | panjunyong, I have to take a look if I can bring it back, I need to take a look at the old server | 07:43 |
| projekt01 | probably I can bring it online again | 07:44 |
| panjunyong | That is great. Thank you! | 07:44 |
| panjunyong | :-) | 07:44 |
| projekt01 | if not I can zip the source and upload to a server | 07:44 |
| projekt01 | does this fit for you? | 07:44 |
| panjunyong | Yes. thanks | 07:44 |
| panjunyong | source code is enough for me | 07:45 |
| projekt01 | I think I'll find some time tonight, I send a mail to the list if it's available | 07:45 |
| panjunyong | ok | 07:46 |
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| projekt01 | srichter, hi | 07:47 |
| srichter | projekt01: hi | 07:47 |
| pcardune | srichter: projekt01: hi | 07:48 |
| projekt01 | good night | 07:48 |
| projekt01 | panjunyong, just sent a mail to you with the zipped source of tiks | 07:55 |
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| panjunyong | thanks! | 07:59 |
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| Subdino | hi | 13:40 |
| Subdino | I have a concern about zope 2.8 zodb packing code | 13:40 |
| Subdino | in FileStorage/fspack.py, the data.fs is packed, and new transactions added if the data.fs is used during pack is appended to the packed data | 13:41 |
| Subdino | this is protected by a lock which is released before function returns | 13:41 |
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| Subdino | then, the caller in FileStorage/FileStorage.py gets the lock again to close the former data.fs, rename it to .old, rename the .pack to data.fs and opens it for use | 13:42 |
| Subdino | but during the time the lock is released, what prevents new transctions from happening on the former data.fs ? | 13:43 |
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| Subdino | if my understanding is correct, those transaction would store data in the former data.fs and would not be in the packed version | 13:44 |
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| afd_ | Would the newly released extjs 2.1 with GPL3 licence change the "apropriateness" status for zc.extjs stuff? http://extjs.com/products/license.php | 14:14 |
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| malthe | zagy: on splitting up zope.app.container, I've put together a zope.container that includes the parts that do not depend on the ZODB, except the contained.py-module, which is a bit mixed. | 14:57 |
| malthe | should I commit it somewhere for review? | 14:57 |
| zagy | malthe: hi | 14:58 |
| zagy | malthe: yes, create a sandbox within the Sandbox directory in zope svn | 14:58 |
| malthe | oke | 14:58 |
| zagy | you/we can move it directly out of there once it's okay | 14:58 |
| zagy | (or say, okay enough ;) | 14:58 |
| malthe | that sounds great | 14:59 |
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| malthe | zagy: http://svn.zope.org/Sandbox/malthe/zope.container | 15:01 |
| malthe | I haven't dealt with any of the functional code in zope.app.container, although it probably could be moved out as well. | 15:02 |
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| zagy | okay here are a few things | 15:04 |
| zagy | what ou probably should do is, doing an *svn* copy of zope.app.container to your sandbox and then change things there (you might want to create a patch file locally since you already did some changes) | 15:05 |
| zagy | this is important to get a consistent history of the files | 15:05 |
| malthe | true | 15:05 |
| zagy | once zope.container is in shape, zope.app.container should import the interfaces from zope.container so that old code doesn't break | 15:07 |
| malthe | right | 15:08 |
| zagy | I think part of contained.py could be moved over as well | 15:08 |
| malthe | right I think so too | 15:08 |
| malthe | might require some unit tests | 15:09 |
| zagy | but the first release doesn't necessarily need it | 15:09 |
| zagy | it's often better to take small steps | 15:09 |
| zagy | you also might want to update the copyright year to something like 2001-2008 :) | 15:10 |
| malthe | :-) | 15:11 |
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| malthe | zagy: I had to carry over zope.cachedescriptors' property.py module btw | 15:35 |
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| zagy | huh? | 15:37 |
| malthe | zope.cachedescriptors has a dependency on ZODB. | 15:38 |
| zagy | really? That was unintenional then :/ | 15:38 |
| zagy | or faulty | 15:38 |
| zagy | hum | 15:38 |
| zagy | I removed the dependency afaik | 15:39 |
| malthe | zagy: BTrees | 15:39 |
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| zagy | there are no btrees in latest trunk | 15:40 |
| malthe | really, let me revisit then | 15:41 |
| zagy | I know that I once checked in something whcih required btrees but it was a) silly and b) requiring ZODB :) | 15:41 |
| malthe | is there a release out? | 15:42 |
| zagy | uh, don't know actually | 15:42 |
| malthe | buildout pulled in a zope.cachedescriptors that did depend on ZODB | 15:42 |
| zagy | oh, that's bad :) | 15:42 |
| malthe | but---if it's not intentional, then let's just depend on zope.cac... for now | 15:42 |
| zagy | which version do you have exactly? | 15:43 |
| zagy | 3.4.0 I suppose | 15:43 |
| * malthe pulls | 15:43 | |
| zagy | I'll try to get a new release done | 15:43 |
| malthe | 3.4.0 | 15:44 |
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| malthe | ok that's been fixed now | 15:46 |
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| zagy | Theuni: can you give me access for zope.cachedescriptors on pypi? | 15:51 |
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| Theuni | zagy: done | 15:52 |
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| zagy | merci | 15:52 |
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| fcorrea | J1m: Hello there. I don't know if you are the one that is supposed to get the signed contributor agreement but last week I sent you an email with a scanned contributor agreement signed. Not sure if you got it or not | 17:20 |
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| J1m | fcorrea, sorry, I missed it. | 17:24 |
| J1m | I just set you up. | 17:24 |
| fcorrea | J1m: thank you :) | 17:25 |
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| whit | anyone seen a error at startup like this? | 17:55 |
| whit | http://pylonshq.com/pasties/782 | 17:55 |
| whit | this is with the current grok release and seems to only happen on ubuntu | 17:55 |
| whit | or with a recent pull of eggs | 17:55 |
| whit | the other diagnostic things is that when zope exits, all the lock and cache files for the Data.fs are left lying around | 17:56 |
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| bigkevmcd | whit: I note that it's on Python2.5, does that happen on Python2.4 ? | 17:58 |
| whit | bigkevmcd: it is on 2.5, but I have another buildout on 2.5 that has no problem | 17:59 |
| * whit actually has another buildout on another ubuntu that has no problem | 17:59 | |
| whit | bigkevmcd: is there an know issue with zope3 not exiting cleanly on 2.5? | 18:00 |
| bigkevmcd | haven't seen one | 18:00 |
| whit | cool | 18:00 |
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| mgedmin | whoa | 18:09 |
| mgedmin | whit: that looks like a broken Data.fs to me | 18:09 |
| whit | mgedmin: yeah... question is why? | 18:10 |
| whit | all I did is start up zope then kill it | 18:10 |
| timte | what zope gsoc projects were accepted? | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | can you reproduce? | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | mv Data.fs Data.fs.broken | 18:10 |
| J1m | I doubt it is a bad data.fs. | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | then start, kill, start again | 18:10 |
| whit | mgedmin: yeah over and over again | 18:10 |
| philiKON_ | timte: that info is on google :) | 18:11 |
| * mgedmin waits for J1m's ideas | 18:11 | |
| whit | J1m: not much happening to corrupt it | 18:11 |
| J1m | I don't have any idea for why he is getting the error. | 18:11 |
| philiKON_ | i wonder if python's UserDict was changed from 2.4 to 2.5 | 18:11 |
| J1m | That is not a symptom of a broken data.fs. | 18:12 |
| philiKON_ | since PersistentDict subclasses from UserDict | 18:12 |
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| whit | philiKON_: the peristentdict throws errors for all norm dict methods (items, value, keys) | 18:12 |
| whit | all the same | 18:12 |
| philiKON_ | righ | 18:13 |
| philiKON_ | so? | 18:13 |
| whit | AttributeError: 'PersistentDict' object has no attribute 'data' | 18:13 |
| philiKON_ | it might just be that python 2.5's userdict grew this data attribut | 18:13 |
| philiKON_ | that python 2.4's userdict didn' thave | 18:13 |
| whit | philiKON_: so that would work with your theory | 18:13 |
| whit | philiKON_: only thing is this works on my mac fine | 18:13 |
| whit | with 2.5 | 18:13 |
| J1m | I don't think that's it. | 18:14 |
| J1m | a data attr was used in python2.4 | 18:14 |
| J1m | I don't have time to debug this :) | 18:14 |
| J1m | I'm just saying that the symptom doesn't suggest a broken data.fs to me. | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | that's why I thought it's a broken data fs -- an instance attr that should be there is missing | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | somehow the pickle is wrong | 18:14 |
| mgedmin | I'd like a few minutes alone in a dungeon room with connection.root() | 18:15 |
| J1m | I suggest getting into the debugger and looking at the object. | 18:15 |
| mgedmin | in a sound-proofed dungeon room | 18:15 |
| whit | J1m: looking at it | 18:15 |
| whit | it's the dict 'zope.app.generations': <persistent.dict.PersistentDict object at 0x3456578> missing the 'data' | 18:21 |
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| J1m | what is it's type? | 18:23 |
| J1m | and what is the valie of it's _p_changed attribute? | 18:23 |
| J1m | what is in it's __dict__ | 18:24 |
| whit | false | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | by 'it' I assume you refer to the <persistent.dict.PersistentDict object at 0x3456578>, right? | 18:24 |
| J1m | yes | 18:24 |
| whit | which is it's type | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | so, what's the __dict__? | 18:24 |
| whit | empty | 18:24 |
| mgedmin | right, that is, wrong | 18:25 |
| whit | likewhise: (Pdb) self._p_jar.root()['Application'].__dict__ | 18:25 |
| whit | {} | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | whit, one second | 18:25 |
| mgedmin | I've a bit of code that can show the transaction history of an object | 18:25 |
| whit | something got hose on exit | 18:26 |
| whit | cool | 18:26 |
| mgedmin | http://zope3.pastey.net/21405 | 18:26 |
| mgedmin | list_history(connection.root()) would be interesting, as well as list_history(connection.root()['zope.app.generations']) | 18:26 |
| whit | thank mgedmin | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | ? | 18:32 |
| whit | thanks rather | 18:32 |
| whit | for the code | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | what does it say? | 18:32 |
| mgedmin | was there a state when the generations dict had a data attribute, and was there a later transaction that removed it somehow? | 18:32 |
| whit | mgedmin: nah.. the issue is all userdict based implementation (including folder) lack any references (especially data) | 18:37 |
| whit | mgedmin: having to do a bit of setup to use your code | 18:37 |
| whit | but... ok... I see what you are saying | 18:37 |
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| whit | this is interesting, when I start in debug mode, the objects are still empty | 19:10 |
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| pcardune | found a bug with directory resources... any takes? | 19:58 |
| pcardune | any takers*? | 19:58 |
| faassen | pcardune: did you make a launchpad issue? | 19:59 |
| mgedmin | pcardune: launchpad.net/zope3 | 19:59 |
| pcardune | faassen mgedmin, entering it in as we speak | 19:59 |
| pcardune | faassen, mgedmin: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/zope3/+bug/220682 | 20:02 |
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| whit | focussed the wierdness a bit | 21:04 |
| whit | the issue displays itself nicely in the zopectl prompt | 21:05 |
| whit | http://pylonshq.com/pasties/783 | 21:05 |
| whit | the root object returned to interpretter is working, the on returned by opening a new db connection is missing it's btree | 21:05 |
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| mgedmin | whit: no, yo're confusing the zodb root with the root folder | 21:14 |
| mgedmin | the root folder doesn't have a 'data' attribute | 21:15 |
| whit | ah... hmmm | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | app.root() returns the root folder | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | the zodb root is a persistentdict (iirc?) | 21:15 |
| whit | yeah | 21:15 |
| mgedmin | it is a dict with usually two items: one is the root folder, the other is the generation dict | 21:15 |
| whit | mgedmin: regardless, it should have .data | 21:16 |
| whit | though maybe there is a different issue | 21:16 |
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| mgedmin | no, Folder objects don't have 'data' | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | they have something else | 21:26 |
| whit | mgedmin: it's a btrree iirc | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | __BTreeContainer_items, or something | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | it has a btree | 21:27 |
| whit | it's still root.data | 21:27 |
| * whit just tried it | 21:27 | |
| mgedmin | hmm | 21:27 |
| whit | I tried loading a data.fs from a working machine, and that seemed to load up ok | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | you're right and I'm wrong | 21:28 |
| whit | well... I am in the thick of it poking objects.. tyranny of context ;) | 21:28 |
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| whit | _p_changed looks good when I add something | 21:33 |
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| whit | hmmm... might be this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/zodb/+bug/153316 | 22:36 |
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| whit | does the zodb egg know how to differentiate between 64bit int systems and 32bit int systems? | 23:21 |
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