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| fairwinds | Hey paul. I'm here | 03:58 |
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| pcardune | fairwinds: hi | 04:14 |
| pcardune | fairwinds: so I checked something in to my sandbox | 04:14 |
| fairwinds | pcardune: hey paul, well we are connecting, that's a good thing. | 04:15 |
| pcardune | fairwinds: it looks like we are going to have some trouble with conf.py... it seems to be hard coded into their scripts *yuck* | 04:15 |
| fairwinds | pcardune: Hmm let me see what you have | 04:15 |
| * pcardune has never written a proper buildout before | 04:15 | |
| pcardune | s/buildout/recipe | 04:16 |
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| fairwinds | pcardune: Let me check this out. I just want to see what we are getting with this. This seems to take care of configuration. Yes. I am not keen on the conf.py they're using either. | 04:22 |
| pcardune | fairwinds: we can get around it, but it won't be that pretty | 04:22 |
| fairwinds | pcardune: One other way I was thinking about this was perhaps just to put sphinx together in an egg but point out of the package to checked out package in the same folder. This way you can use a single sphinx and not clutter the zope packages for the sake of documentation. | 04:26 |
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| pcardune | fairwinds: I'm not sure I understand, can you give me an example? | 04:27 |
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| fairwinds | pcardune: I'll try. Lets say I have a folder that I am checking out my development packages into. I'd check out the sphinx documention package (ie z3c.sphinx or whatever) and run the buildout. I'd then checkout the package I am working on. Then run sphinx-quickstart from the sphinx package but have the document root be the root of the development package. | 04:31 |
| pcardune | oh i see | 04:31 |
| pcardune | fairwinds: but that does not really follow the pattern people typically use to work on a specific package. | 04:32 |
| fairwinds | pcardune: You'd end up without have to build into each package | 04:32 |
| pcardune | true, but I think adding things to buildout.cfg is a reasonable requirement | 04:32 |
| pcardune | We want the lowest barrier to entry for fixing documentation too | 04:33 |
| pcardune | If someone wants to fix spelling/grammer/etc errors, they should be able to checkout the single package itself, make changes, and build the documentation right there | 04:33 |
| pcardune | just like running tests | 04:34 |
| fairwinds | pcardune: I am just throwing this out as an idea. I agree with your statements for sure | 04:35 |
| fairwinds | pcardune: So we'd add the buildout stuff I came up with to buildout.cfg and use your recipe for conf.py correct | 04:35 |
| pcardune | and I agree with you that we want to add as little as possible to the current packages | 04:36 |
| pcardune | fairwinds: something like that | 04:36 |
| pcardune | I think my buildout script manages to pull in sphinx and create a script that is exactly the same as sphinx-build | 04:37 |
| pcardune | I don't think we need the sphinx-quickstart or sphinx-web scripts | 04:37 |
| pcardune | the problem is that sphinx-build takes a source directory argument (usually just .) and expects to find a conf.py in there | 04:38 |
| fairwinds | pcardune: Ahh - ok, I should likely run it first. I agree, these other scripts are likely unnecessary | 04:38 |
| pcardune | so if conf.py lives in parts, then you have to specify the parts directory as the source... but then none of the actual documentation (which does not live in the parts directory) gets pulled in | 04:39 |
| pcardune | fairwinds: by the way, I tried out the recipe with z3c.form by adding this to the buildout.cfg: | 04:39 |
| pcardune | [docs] | 04:39 |
| pcardune | recipe = z3c.recipe.sphinxdoc:sphinxdoc | 04:39 |
| pcardune | eggs = z3c.form | 04:39 |
| fairwinds | pcardune: I think its really bad to expect conf.py at root of project. It would have been much better if it was named sphinx-conf.py at the least | 04:40 |
| pcardune | yeah, I bet they would be happy to change it for us | 04:41 |
| pcardune | or we could be highly proactive and fix it ourselves and send them a patch | 04:41 |
| pcardune | it is after all still in "alpha" mode | 04:41 |
| fairwinds | pcardune: Give me about 20 min. I am going to give your recipe a go. Yes about the patch idea. What would be better is a ini style config but they are doing something funky with pickling. | 04:42 |
| pcardune | oh really? I'll take a closer look at their code | 04:42 |
| fairwinds | pcardune: It would be good if the conf.py did not have to live at our doc root but could be relative to it as well. | 04:43 |
| mcdonc | ftr, i have no context here but I wanted to mention this (very rough) patch to sphinx's autodoc that allows you to point at zope interfaces for docs...http://www.plope.com/Members/chrism/sphinx_autointerface_patch | 04:43 |
| fairwinds | mcdonc: was not aware of this. Can you tell us more about this. | 04:45 |
| mcdonc | well, it's just a sketch.. it really should be its own plugin, but it's a patch to sphinx' autodoc (which grabs docstrings from classes and modules). that thing doesn't work against interfaces (because they're not really classes). but with this patch it does. | 04:46 |
| mcdonc | it generates stuff like what's at http://plope.com/static/misc/sphinxtest/intro.html#module-repoze.who.interfaces | 04:47 |
| pcardune | mcdonc: ooo, that looks highly useful | 04:47 |
| mcdonc | (given the input at the end of http://svn.repoze.org/repoze.who/trunk/README.txt) | 04:48 |
| fairwinds | mcdonc: yup. looks really good. | 04:48 |
| mcdonc | yeah i haven't had the energy to make it its own plugin | 04:48 |
| mcdonc | if it was i suspect georg would just put it in | 04:48 |
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| fairwinds | mcdonc: Wow, you've been busy with this for sure. | 04:49 |
| pcardune | mcdonc: are you going to have the energy in the near future? | 04:49 |
| mcdonc | not really, it took about an hour, the sphinx code is very hackable | 04:49 |
| mcdonc | i'd like to say yes, but it's likely no :-( | 04:50 |
| mcdonc | at least until i need to release more docs | 04:50 |
| fairwinds | mcdonc: have you tried zpt with template bridge? | 04:50 |
| pcardune | mcdonc: ok, well what you got there is a great starting point for someone to make an extension | 04:50 |
| mcdonc | no, i haven't.. did you make one? i actually haven't used any templating in sphinx yet... | 04:50 |
| fairwinds | mcdonc: I am not crazy about the language they use. zpt fits my head | 04:51 |
| mcdonc | so you wrote a template bridge for zpt? | 04:51 |
| pcardune | mcdonc: they are jinja templates, which are basically django templates | 04:51 |
| fairwinds | mcdonc: not yet but there is a template bridge in the code to permit some other templating languages to be used | 04:52 |
| mcdonc | yeah i saw that... i'm not much of a fan of that templating style (just because it's something else i have to learn ;-) ) | 04:52 |
| fairwinds | mcdonc: uh huh me too :-) | 04:53 |
| mcdonc | ah ok... well, if i were to go after that i'd probably try to plug in dtml, because i dont much like using zpt to template not-xml | 04:53 |
| mcdonc | i think it's great you're thinking hard about how to give people a place to hang renderable docs for z3 packages btw | 04:54 |
| mcdonc | its very important | 04:54 |
| pcardune | mcdonc: the templating is actually producing (x)html | 04:54 |
| mcdonc | ah ok... yeah i havent really used it yet, so i have no context there | 04:55 |
| fairwinds | pcardune: I am checking out you stuff. I'm going be back soon | 04:55 |
| pcardune | fairwinds: ok | 04:55 |
| fairwinds | pcardune: ok I'm back. I've got it built with z3c.form. So conf.py was made within docs part. How does this work for CHANGES and documents further up the tree? | 05:26 |
| pcardune | fairwinds: it doesn't :) | 05:26 |
| pcardune | fairwinds: that is why we need to patch sphinx to handle relative conf.py paths | 05:27 |
| pcardune | or just alternate conf.py paths in general | 05:27 |
| fairwinds | pcardune: Absolutely | 05:27 |
| fairwinds | I get the doc's help. I didn't build docs yet. Can you give me the args to pass to ./bin/docs. BTW. I checked out trunk. Perhaps I should have checked your branch but it had the templates etc already. | 05:29 |
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| pcardune | yeah, best to check out trunk | 05:31 |
| pcardune | I think what i used was ./bin/docs . parts/docs/z3c.form/build | 05:31 |
| pcardune | or something to that effect | 05:32 |
| fairwinds | pcardune: ok. I'll give it a go. | 05:33 |
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| fairwinds | pcardune: I'll have a bit of time to play with this tomorrow am for a bit. I'll be able to provide some better feedback once I try a few thinks with it. It looks like a good way to go if we can work out the conf issues. Are you subscribed to the sphinx list? | 05:38 |
| pcardune | fairwinds: nope, are you? | 05:38 |
| fairwinds | Yes | 05:38 |
| pcardune | fairwinds: what is the url? | 05:38 |
| pcardune | ah i see it | 05:39 |
| fairwinds | mailto:sphinx-dev@googlegroups.com | 05:39 |
| fairwinds | pcardune: We probably should communicate to see whether there's some flexibility for the configuration file and to see if sphinx can handle the docs relative to it at the least. I'll see if I can find out more about the template bridge since I am not the only zope person that's likely to want to stick with familiar zpt or ctal | 05:41 |
| pcardune | fairwinds: ok, sounds good. I just joined the group | 05:42 |
| fairwinds | Ok good. I think that's about it for this evening. I'll contact you tomorrow after I have had more time to look at the recipe and see what else we may need to do. We've made a good beginning and looking forward to the results for sure | 05:44 |
| pcardune | fairwinds: ok, talk to you later | 05:45 |
| fairwinds | pcardune: If you are on chat tomorrow. I will be around tomorrow probably closer to 11:30 in the evening my time | 05:47 |
| pcardune | fairwinds: yeah, I'll be around | 05:47 |
| fairwinds | pcardune: Ok good, talk to you then. | 05:47 |
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| alexdb | Hi, i'm coming from zope2 and it looks like that there no simple way to do a request.set in zope3 right ? | 16:11 |
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| norro | alexdb, what do you want to do? | 16:19 |
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| alexdb | norro: simply do a .upper on some fields in my request | 16:24 |
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| alexdb | found a way to set it by using request.form['foo']=bar instead of request.set('foor',bar) | 16:49 |
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| vimes656 | is there any way to merge Zope folders without looping? | 17:21 |
| vimes656 | something like the update method for Python dictionaries | 17:22 |
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| lgs | I'm trying to fix an error in the test zope.app.component/browser/registration.txt | 20:01 |
| lgs | the offending line says: | 20:01 |
| lgs | >>> browser.open( | 20:02 |
| lgs | ... 'http://localhost/++etc++site/@@SelectedManagementView.html') | 20:02 |
| lgs | >>> browser.getLink('[[zope][Registrations]]').click() | 20:02 |
| lgs | but I don't know why that view does not have a Registrations link in this test | 20:02 |
| lgs | running a standard zope instance and using a real browser I can see the link | 20:02 |
| lgs | the test crashes with a LinkNotFoundError exception | 20:03 |
| lgs | anyone can points me to a direction to start further investigation? | 20:03 |
| lgs | similar lines like: | 20:05 |
| lgs | >>> browser.open('http://localhost/sample1/@@SelectedManagementView.html') | 20:05 |
| lgs | >>> browser.getLink('[[zope][Registration]]').click() | 20:05 |
| lgs | do work | 20:05 |
| lgs | so I guess something is wrong registering the right actions to ILocalSiteManager objects | 20:05 |
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| lgs | ok, for some reason the containers used in that test, does not have a zmi_view menu item for @@contents.html | 21:30 |
| lgs | any clue about why is this happening? | 21:30 |
| lgs | that explain why browser.open('http://localhost/@@SelectedManagementView.html') always goes to @@registration.html and getLink() does not find the correct links | 21:32 |
| lgs | I guess it's a problem in the functional test setup code | 21:32 |
| lgs | btw, is there anybody out there? :-) | 21:33 |
| benji | lgs: lots of people; presumably all as busy as I am. ;) | 21:34 |
| lgs | fair enough | 21:34 |
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