IRC log of #zope3-dev for Monday, 2008-08-25

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AdrianFernandezhello, i would like to make some questions about zope3..is anyone viewing this?01:38
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mgedminyup01:59
mgedminrule #1 on irc: don't ask to ask, just ask01:59
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AdrianFernandezyou're right mgedmin, I'm not used to participate in an irc channel. My question is very simple. I'm learning zope3 by reading Weitershausen's book. He tolds in his book that one zope3 instance will normally serve only one app. Is this right?02:06
mgedminI believe that's the common pattern, yes02:07
mgedminit's not that it can't, it's that most people find they want to have separate instances for separate apps02:08
AdrianFernandezbut is this not an expensive use of ports in a server? What if I have multple apps?02:08
mgedminso they can upgrade them separately, restart them separately, etc.02:08
mgedmin65535 ports ough to be enough, no?02:08
AdrianFernandezAnd something that had confused me a lot, he builds the gui by customizing the ZMI02:09
mgedminbesides, you can bind different apps to different localhost IPs (127.x.y.z) and have apache rewrite rules redirect your requests to whatever02:09
mgedminZMI can be used as a shortcut, especially for your apps admin side02:09
mgedminyou don't have to use it if you don't want to02:09
mgedminzope 3 is very flexible, which comes at a cost: it may be hard to figure out what exactly you want to do, if you haven't used it before02:11
AdrianFernandezI recognize I come from the world from j2ee, you know there you have normally one server an multiple apps having each their own context02:11
mgedminyes02:13
mgedminthat's one of the things I kind-of-liked: you can reload separate apps without restarting the whole server02:14
mgedminabout j2ee, I mean02:14
mgedminI hated everything else ;)02:14
AdrianFernandezI think i have now understood the way of developing apps following the pattern told in the book02:17
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AdrianFernandezit's probably something similar as in Django02:18
AdrianFernandezwhere you get for free a site-admin functionality02:18
mgedminhm02:18
mgedminthere's zope 2, which has a built-in almost-CMS-like admin interface (the ZMI)02:19
mgedminyou write apps as plugins for content types that you can then drop into arbitrary places on your website02:19
mgedminand zope 3 is shifting towards more of an every-app-is-a-custom-one model02:19
mgedminso the ZMI is no longer mandatory02:20
mgedminand, well, it doesn't give you full admin anyway02:20
mgedminnot automatic one for all your custom content objects02:21
AdrianFernandezand Zope3 is not similar to Zope2?02:21
mgedminno02:22
mgedminit started as a reimplementation of zope 302:22
mgedminbut the goal shifted halfway through into something else02:22
mgedminoops, I meant "a reimplementation of zope *2*", obviously02:22
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mgedminnow zope 2 is shifting towards zope 302:23
AdrianFernandezI think I have now a better understanding of how to develope for Zope3. It's very important to know and understand the philosophy of the tool to get the best of them.02:26
AdrianFernandezthank you very much for your support02:26
mgedminI completely agree with your point02:26
mgedminbut I think the philosophy of zope 3 has not settled down yet02:26
mgedminvarious members of the community have slightly different ideas02:26
mgedminand, if you track them through time, they keep changing a bit02:27
mgedminalthough the core of those philosophies is the same02:27
mgedminI'm talking about the Zope Component Architecture -- interfaces and adapters02:27
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AdrianFernandezThank you very much for your help and I hope there will not be big changes in the philosophie ;-)02:34
AdrianFernandezBye02:34
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projekt01srichter, ayt?15:56
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projekt01srichter, can you give me hints about the broken z3c.coverage package?15:59
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srichterprojekt01: mmh, it's not broken for me, but I think the tests require enscript to be isntalled16:28
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agroszerhey srichter16:33
agroszerI think zope.testrunner coverage is broken16:33
srichteragroszer: how so?16:34
agroszerI need to dig for the mail16:34
srichteragroszer: there are some false positives when enoutering lsit comprehensions or list declarations over multiple lines16:34
srichterbut I think that is a tracer problem in Python not a coverage tracer one16:35
agroszernaah, it looked like files were imported before coverage start16:35
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srichteragroszer: oh, I see16:36
agroszerI'll get Roger in a sec, what his problem is16:36
srichterI think I saw that16:36
srichterwe are using the KGS, so I do not see this problem yet16:36
srichterbut I remember having noticed this before16:36
agroszeraha16:36
agroszerit's broken recently16:37
projekt01srichter, the existing result get overriden during coverage, I have a lot of untested/uncoveraged code but intenden code is tested in the same method.16:39
agroszersrichter, Roger has found what I found16:41
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projekt01srichter, e.g.16:41
projekt01>>>>>>     def __init__(self, context, request, wizard):   13:         self.context = context16:41
agroszersee: http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope-dev/2008-July/032604.html16:42
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srichterprojekt01: agroszer: I think the breakage was introduced when Theuni did some cleanup of the code16:44
agroszersrichter: already bugging him live16:45
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Theunisrichter: we found it16:47
Theuniit's an ordering issue and it can be resolved very quickly. someone just should add a test.16:47
srichteryipee! :-)16:48
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projekt01Theuni, agroszer, srichter, I'll try to fix it.16:50
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projekt01Theuni, srichter, agroszer everything is fine, I just need to write a test16:59
Theuni:)17:01
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* mgedmin is trying to inspect a ZODB pickle manually19:43
mgedminpickle.loads() is, sadly, not sufficient19:43
mgedmintahdah!19:46
mgedminunp = pickle.Unpickler(StringIO(data))19:46
mgedminunp.persistent_load = lambda ref: ref19:46
mgedminclass_ = unp.load()19:47
mgedminstate = unp.load()19:47
mgedminnot a one-liner, sadly19:47
mgedminokay, so I'm debugging conflict errors19:48
mgedminI'm in the storage's _finish_store()19:48
mgedminI have the new data pickle19:48
mgedminhow do I get the old one?19:48
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mgedminokay, best way is to define _p_resolveConflict(self, old, other, new) in the class20:02
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