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| projekt01 | nyo, everything fine? | 02:44 |
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| nyo | projekt01: ? | 02:45 |
| projekt01 | just saw that you are working hard and was wondering if I can help you with something | 02:46 |
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| nyo | projekt01: well, not so hard. I just got some time to work on that, so I'm doing refactorings :) | 02:47 |
| projekt01 | cool | 02:48 |
| nyo | projekt01: i almost finished for today :) | 02:48 |
| projekt01 | ;-) | 02:48 |
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| nyo | projekt01: btw, about helping. as you may see on the list, we're removing deprecated interfaces from zope.component. those interfaces were still used by zope packages, so I moved them to more sane places and adapted some of packages I know of. The IView and IDefaultViewName were moved to zope.publisher.interfaces, the IResource - to zope.app.publisher. Others are simply removed. I adapted some dependent packages, but I may miss something, b | 02:52 |
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| projekt01 | nyo, can I release zope.app.publication, zope.traversing and zope.app.testing | 02:57 |
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| projekt01 | this packages use zope.publisher skinnable stuff | 02:58 |
| nyo | projekt01: lemme see | 02:58 |
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| nyo | projekt01: zope.app.publication and zope.traversing - yes. zope.app.testing - no, but it seems that there's no need to release it, as the only change is the adaptation to removal of zope.component's bbb interfaces. | 03:03 |
| nyo | projekt01: or, did you just not yet committed your changes? then you need to temporary roll back the change of import of IDefaultViewName. | 03:04 |
| projekt01 | zope.app.testing uses setDefaultSkin(request) which I need to replace "if IBrowserRequest" with "if ISkinnable" | 03:04 |
| projekt01 | no problem IDefaultViewName works with newest packages | 03:05 |
| projekt01 | I release zope.publihser with them | 03:05 |
| nyo | projekt01: yep, but other released packages still use IDefaultViewName from zope.component | 03:05 |
| nyo | projekt01: so something may break badly | 03:05 |
| nyo | i think it's better to revert the change and bring it back after the release | 03:05 |
| projekt01 | from where did you remove IDefaultViewName? | 03:06 |
| nyo | zope.component.interfaces (it was in zope.component.interfaces.bbb actually) | 03:06 |
| nyo | it was moved to zope.publisher.interfaces | 03:07 |
| projekt01 | I think I'm fine if I can release zope.app.publication and zope.traversing | 03:07 |
| projekt01 | there is still a the ISkinnable which should go to zope.app.testing.functional | 03:08 |
| nyo | projekt01: ok. and i'll mail to the list about making a release of new zope.component, so we can release other adapted packages and see what will break :) | 03:08 |
| projekt01 | should I sommit taht without release it | 03:08 |
| nyo | projekt01: of course | 03:08 |
| projekt01 | Ok will do so | 03:08 |
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| projekt01 | I release zope.app.publication and zope.traversing and only commit to zope.app.testing without release it | 03:09 |
| nyo | projekt01: ok | 03:09 |
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| projekt01 | nyo, zope.app.security seems not to provide IAuthenticationUtility anymore | 03:52 |
| projekt01 | zope.app.publication uses that in test_zopepublication.py | 03:52 |
| projekt01 | nyo, is there a way to test such dependencies, I heard about compttest or so? | 03:52 |
| nyo | projekt01: hmm.. it needs to be updated then, as that interface was deprecated | 03:53 |
| projekt01 | will do that as next | 03:53 |
| projekt01 | IAuthenticationUtility get just removed and can get replaced with IAuthentication, right? | 03:54 |
| projekt01 | test seems to work if I change to IAuthenticationUtility to IAuthentication | 03:54 |
| projekt01 | it's only used in tests | 03:54 |
| nyo | the IAuthenticationUtility was a subclass for IAuthentication | 03:55 |
| nyo | projekt01: so yes) | 03:55 |
| projekt01 | seems to work | 03:56 |
| projekt01 | Oh, I miss the good old time where we had deprecation warnings ;-) | 03:56 |
| nyo | projekt01: that interface was deprecated for a long time without any deprecation warning | 03:58 |
| projekt01 | I think this will become a big problem for our package users and they get into time trouble if the have tu update ASAP during develop thier projects | 03:58 |
| projekt01 | I don't care about myself, I can live without them | 03:58 |
| projekt01 | deprecation message are only for users of our libraries and not for us | 03:58 |
| nyo | projekt01: well, I hope, that we won't just remove code without any bbb imports. however I like deprecation warnings as well. judging from the ML, people who argue against them seem to be annoyed because of wrong usage in zope2/cmf :) | 04:00 |
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| projekt01 | everybody which doesn't like deprecation message must see a lot of them, that's not good at all because they don't fix versions for their release | 04:01 |
| projekt01 | after every update they get more of them, that must be a pain to develop that way. I whould think about the development process they use and not about deprecation warnings whihc the get disturbed about | 04:02 |
| nyo | well, maybe they will do that if we prepare meaningful release notes | 04:02 |
| projekt01 | nobody gave an argument why it is better to skip them | 04:02 |
| projekt01 | except that they popup to many times. I'm really confused and can't understand that | 04:03 |
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| nyo | projekt01: I think so as well. However whatever they will decide, it's okay with me, as I'm watching the zope development and keeping my application code up to date. ;-) If that "rest of python world" are really fine with that deprecation/refactoring scheme without warnings - okay then. Especially, if extension for the test runner will be developed that warns about indirect imports. | 04:07 |
| * nyo is interested in stephan's opinion on that | 04:08 | |
| projekt01 | Yes I agree with a good BBB inntrospector tool or something like that | 04:08 |
| projekt01 | me too | 04:09 |
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| projekt01 | normaly such a tool should get written first and then propose a deprecation message remove concept because of a better concept if that works | 04:11 |
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| Fubar^ | how can i keep track of instances of my package in ZODB? | 11:45 |
| Fubar^ | for example i want a list of everything in the database that implements my interface IGame | 11:45 |
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| mgedmin | that's not necessarily a good idea... | 11:54 |
| mgedmin | what problem are you solving? | 11:54 |
| Fubar^ | there are certain things in my game that needs to be reset at server start, so i have an event subscriber for the DatabaseOpenedEvent. But i dont know which Game-instances there are | 11:56 |
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| mgedmin | Fubar^: you could use findObjectsProviding, I suppose, but know its limitations and disadvantages | 13:19 |
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| Fubar^ | mgedmin: thanks! | 15:03 |
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| fcorrea | pcardune: yt? | 19:53 |
| pcardune | fcorrea: howdy | 19:53 |
| fcorrea | pcardune: hey what's up? I've trying to access your z3c-tutorial but it seems it got it's page layout messed | 19:54 |
| pcardune | fcorrea: that's possible, (moved servers recently) I'll take a look | 19:55 |
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| fcorrea | pcardune: was about to send that to a friend when I noticed. | 19:55 |
| fcorrea | cool | 19:55 |
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| pcardune | fcorrea: thank god for docutils generating good symantic markup... | 19:56 |
| fcorrea | pcardune: yeah, very readable. Tho I liked the old layout | 19:56 |
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| fcorrea | Too bad zope found had issues with the designer | 19:57 |
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| pcardune | fcorrea: hmmm, looks like the hard drive on my server might be hosed... randomly can't access different files | 20:17 |
| pcardune | fcorrea: will have to wait till I get home to inspect more... | 20:18 |
| fcorrea | pcardune: oh..that's bad news. Well, thanks man | 20:19 |
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