IRC log of #zope3-dev for Friday, 2009-06-26

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gary_posterJ1m_: I'm going to drop the whitelist.  I wrote a bunch to explain it to you further, and explored the pyshared idea (which I couldn't get to work), but I'll drop it.  There's only one point which needs further clarification I think.  I'll email you with the pertinent snippet, so you can get back to it when you can.  thanks00:16
J1m_2 things00:16
J1m_or maybe I should see what you wrote first.00:17
J1m_are you going to send me what you wrote?00:17
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gary_posterJ1m_: http://pastebin.com/m71f0dec300:17
J1m_This is only a small snippet.00:18
* J1m_ wonders if email wouldn't be easier00:18
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gary_posterOh, and this is my proposed solution to identifying site-packages:00:19
gary_poster My proposed solution is to identify site-packages with something like00:19
gary_poster  this.00:19
gary_poster      _is_in_site_packages = re.compile(00:19
gary_poster        r'\b(site-packages|dist-packages|python-support)\b').search00:19
gary_posterOK, I'll send the email later this evening.  The rest is mostly agreeing.00:19
gary_posterJ1m_: OK I sent you the whole email ;-)00:20
gary_posterI was trying to protect you from its length ;-)00:20
J1m_re the snippet above, the current "conditional" behavior is sort of an accident.00:20
gary_posterok00:20
gary_posterI'm happy to do just the boolean behavior then00:20
gary_posterReally have to run00:21
J1m_Having a regex for determing the equivalent for site-packages seems grody.00:21
gary_posterabsolutely00:21
gary_posterdunno how to do it better00:21
J1m_oh ok, well we can continue in email00:21
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gary_posterWill check in with email, and on IRC tomorrow.  Thanks and have a good evening00:21
J1m_you too00:21
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skrivnoob questions okay here? if not where?00:31
benjisure, have at ti00:32
benjior "it" even00:32
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skrivi'm following the formdemo examples... and trying to emulate <div metal:use-macro="macro:form">00:32
skriv2 questions, what's the "macro:" prefix all about?00:33
skrivand..  with or without it, i crash, do i have to do something special to use macros?00:33
benjihopefully someone familiar with z3c.formdemo00:33
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benjiwill answer (because I'm not)00:33
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skrivk, thx :)00:34
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skrivfor the record:  <div metal:use-macro="macro:form"> gives this error:00:39
skrivPTRuntimeError: ['Compilation failed', 'zope.tal.taldefs.TALError: Unrecognized expression type "macro". in expression u\'macro:form\', at line 1, column 1']00:39
skrivand <div metal:use-macro="form">00:39
skrivgives this error: KeyError: 'form'00:39
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skrivah! <include package="z3c.macro" />  but of course...02:42
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iceriderHello, how install zope3 for python2.5?08:52
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junkafarianstupid home machine14:05
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d2mi want to setup an environment to modify and test http://svn.zope.org/zope.publisher/branches/3.4/ -- running bootstrap and buildout gets me version conflicts16:08
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gary_posterd2m: I suggest trying to add a versions.cfg based on a KGS.16:09
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d2mok, tricky16:10
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d2mgary_poster: you mean, i start with the KGS used for zope3.4 ?16:12
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gary_posterd2m: eh, sure.  :-)  that's where I propbably would start first, unless you needed something newer.  Note that you may need to remove the specification for zope.publisher, depending on what you end up doing.16:14
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d2mgary_poster: thank you, that is working fine now16:25
gary_posterd2m: awesome. :-)16:25
reinoutgary_poster: Is it intentional that adding that KGS version.cfg is a manual step?16:27
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reinoutI mean, buildout's intention is to make such builds repeatable. So why would a manual step be needed?16:28
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gary_posterreinout: benji has argued repeatedly that packages should specify versions for this reason, and would argue that this is a flaw in the zope.publication package (or at least this branch of it).  The distinction some make is between an application buildout and a library buildout.  Few disagree that an application buildout should always specify versions.16:40
gary_posterSome feel that libraries should be tested with the newest versions of their dependencies as specified broadly in the setup.py.  These days I tend to lean more towards benji's side than I did; I generally think libraries should be tested in both ways.16:40
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* benji feels well represented by gary_poster 17:00
gary_poster:-)17:00
* benji considers granting him power of attorney17:01
gary_posterheh, probably unwise :-)17:01
benjiheh17:01
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gary_posterJ1m: was just told of distutils.sysconfig.get_python_lib.  It appears to be the blessed way (written by the blessed fdrake) to get the various library paths.  Will use that, as needed.17:10
J1mI did a bunch of digging last night.  Am writing up results.17:11
J1mI'll lookl at this though.17:11
gary_posteroh, cool17:11
gary_postercool17:11
J1mso it looks like you use that wo args.17:14
J1mHave you tried it on the platforms you used in the doc?17:14
J1mIt looks like it returns a single value17:14
J1mbut in some of the examples you gave, there was more than one place to put 3rd-party stuff17:15
J1mgary_poster, ^^^17:15
gary_posteryeah, though you can also pass True to get the binary-specific version.  I have tried and and yeah, it was not as satisfactory as I had hoped.  The other possibility is ``python -S``...  and then having that spit out sys.path.17:15
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gary_posterthat will give the things that are *not* site-packages17:16
gary_posterJ1m:  python -S -c 'import sys; print sys.path'17:16
gary_posterthat seems more robust17:17
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grahali'm getting "A system error occurred" and I have googled a bit and found "http://www.mail-archive.com/zope3-users@zope.org/msg04477.html" but no luck... apparently using ++debug++errors is also giving "system error". Using zope 3.417:26
grahalnothing is displayed in console17:27
grahaldevmode is on17:27
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benjigrahal: how about in the log?17:28
grahalnothing in log/z3.log17:28
J1mgary_poster, sorry, got called to a meeting.17:29
J1m>>> import distutils.sysconfig17:29
J1m>>> distutils.sysconfig.get_python_lib()17:29
J1m'/usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages'17:29
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gary_posternp17:29
benjiyou can also change the server type in zope.conf to "type WSGI-PostmortemDebuggingHTTP" and run the instance in the fg, when an exception is raised you'll be dropped into the debugger17:30
J1mIf you read the docs carefully, it looks like you have to give arguments to get stdlib or platform specific libs.17:30
gary_posterJ1m: yeah, I think doing the "python -S -c 'import sys; print sys.path'" is much more robust, if slightly uglier because it will require a subprocess.17:30
gary_posterthe distutils.sysconfig doesn't get python-support in Ubunutu, for instance17:31
J1mgary_poster, it would be interesting for you to run that func for the various examples you gave.17:31
gary_posterJ1m: ok, will get the results of that and of the -S thing17:31
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J1mso the -S thing gives a way to find the packages that should be included.17:33
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gary_posterright17:33
J1mMan, what a mess17:34
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gary_posterso normal sys.path - (the results from an -S call) gives a robus answer of what the "site-packages" are17:34
J1mactually, to what they aren't. :)17:34
J1mgary_poster, I need to pay attention to my day job for a while.17:35
J1mI'll send you a write up later.17:35
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gary_posterJ1m: ack, thanks.  I'm going to experiment a bit more, and maybe have a sketch17:36
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koboldshouldn't zope.pagetemplate depend on zope.security [untrustedpython]? it imports it in engine.py ...21:48
koboldalso, zope.app.publisher does not depend anymore on zope.app.pagetemplate, but it uses it:21:57
koboldsrc/zope/app/publisher/browser/viewmeta.py:from zope.app.pagetemplate.simpleviewclass import SimpleViewClass21:57
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