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| J1m_ | kobold, constantly moving things around driven solely by a desire to minimizing dependencies isn't really a good idea. | 00:11 |
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| J1m_ | We need to think about cohesion, not just coupling. | 00:12 |
| kobold | J1m_, you are right, in fact I'm not trying to minimize dependencies | 00:12 |
| J1m_ | Maybe zope.container depends on zope.publisher already, but it shouldn't and this change is just more of the same. | 00:12 |
| kobold | J1m_: I'm more trying to make the dependency graph sane | 00:12 |
| J1m_ | so, I don't think it's sane for zope.container to depend on zope.publisher. | 00:13 |
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| kobold | J1m_: your are probably right, that's why I wanted to ask on the mailing list | 00:13 |
| J1m_ | Or at least we need to think harder about it. | 00:13 |
| J1m_ | is the a EuroPython sprint going on now? | 00:13 |
| J1m_ | is there a EuroPython sprint going on now? | 00:13 |
| kobold | uh? I don't know | 00:14 |
| * J1m_ wonders about some of the activity | 00:14 | |
| J1m_ | I thought maybe you're sprinting. | 00:14 |
| kobold | no, I am not, but I ported one of our applications from zope 3.3 to the pypi eggs | 00:14 |
| kobold | and I couldn't run it because I had missing dependencies (the packages that I want to release) | 00:15 |
| kobold | or extra dependencies (like the zope.sendmail one, alreadyy fixed in svn) | 00:15 |
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| J1m_ | Yeah, we have a number of applications that we can't get to run with current packages. | 00:16 |
| kobold | so I'm trying to contribute end help out to make things cleaner, but I don't want to brake anything, so I prefer to ask and learn from the mailing list | 00:16 |
| J1m_ | Thanks! | 00:16 |
| mgedmin | the sprints are over | 00:17 |
| J1m_ | ah | 00:17 |
| kobold | J1m_: anyway, I'm willing to help out with the testing of the eggs as a whole, so if you need help... O:-) | 00:17 |
| J1m_ | I'd love some help. | 00:17 |
| * kobold read about zope.release & friends on the mailing list... | 00:17 | |
| J1m_ | I'm just responding to your note. | 00:17 |
| * mgedmin would like a large helping of sanity | 00:17 | |
| kobold | J1m_: looking forward to your reply | 00:18 |
| * mgedmin is starting to really truly deeply hate zcml | 00:23 | |
| mgedmin | this is supposed to be a happy fun vacation project, not an excursion into the swamplands | 00:24 |
| J1m_ | mgedmin, check out zc.publication. | 00:25 |
| mgedmin | http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zc.publication -> 404 | 00:25 |
| J1m_ | It's not finished yet, but I think it will provide a good staring point for traditional zope 3 appls. | 00:25 |
| J1m_ | It's not finished. Look in svn. | 00:25 |
| J1m_ | mgedmin, have you looked at bobo at all? :) | 00:26 |
| mgedmin | just barely | 00:26 |
| J1m_ | I'd have finsished zc.publication by now, but got bogged down in the fact that we no longer have passking KGS tests. | 00:27 |
| J1m_ | zc.publication is something that I think would be generally useful, but is also needed to make writing bozo tests saner. | 00:28 |
| * mgedmin reconsiders trying to get stuff working on python 2.6 | 00:29 | |
| kobold | J1m_: do we have a buildbot which runs automated tests on the KGS? | 00:32 |
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| mgedmin | kobold: we have a couple | 00:32 |
| mgedmin | one is under my care (the one that handles 3.4 KGS) | 00:32 |
| mgedmin | the tests are run in one large buildout containing all KGS packages (which is constructed by a script from zope.release) and therefore will not check for correct dependency info | 00:33 |
| kobold | mgedmin: Jim just wrote that "we no longer have passing KGS tests", but I did not see any "test failing" message to the mailing list, so I wonder... | 00:33 |
| mgedmin | my KGS never had passing KGS tests | 00:33 |
| mgedmin | there are some ZODB tests that are apparently fragile and sometimes just fail | 00:34 |
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| kobold | mgedmin: would you share the configuration of your buildbot? | 00:34 |
| mgedmin | otoh I'm sure Jim meant the current bleeding edge KGS rather than the ancient 3.4 KGS | 00:34 |
| J1m_ | kobold, I'm not familiar with our buildbot setups. It would be great to get to a point where a kgs trunk passes tests and have a buildbot help keep them passing. | 00:34 |
| mgedmin | kobold: here you are: http://zope3.pov.lt/master.cfg | 00:34 |
| kobold | J1m_: I think I can work on this, it would be great to have it. | 00:34 |
| kobold | mgedmin: thanks, you are my personal hero! | 00:35 |
| J1m_ | btw, I would exclide the ZODB tests because: | 00:35 |
| J1m_ | - They take a long time to run | 00:35 |
| J1m_ | - are run failrly frequently | 00:35 |
| * mgedmin blinks | 00:35 | |
| J1m_ | - have intermittent test failures (I need to work on those) | 00:35 |
| mgedmin | that's obviously a good idea | 00:35 |
| mgedmin | all it would take was to edit the .cfg file in zope.release 3.4 branch and add a single line | 00:36 |
| J1m_ | yup | 00:36 |
| J1m_ | I'm more interested in a kgs trunk than in a tag. :) | 00:36 |
| mgedmin | I understand :) | 00:36 |
| * benji stands near kobold so he can be J1m_'s hero too. | 00:37 | |
| kobold | nice, I'll try to make the buildbot work with a minimal up-to-date KGS and have the tests | 00:37 |
| kobold | then we'll see how to enlarge the KGS and/or exclude the ZODB and/or whatever is needed | 00:38 |
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| mgedmin | BTW the ZODB failures I get on my buildbot aren't intermittent, they're very stable and predictable | 00:38 |
| mgedmin | I never found time to investigate them :( | 00:38 |
| J1m_ | really? | 00:38 |
| J1m_ | which ones? | 00:38 |
| J1m_ | I suspect they are more intermittent on faster hardware. | 00:39 |
| mgedmin | .../ZODB3-3.8.1-py2.4-linux-i686.egg/ZEO/tests/invalidations_while_connecting.test | 00:39 |
| mgedmin | might be | 00:39 |
| mgedmin | since the test fails on only one of the two build machines | 00:39 |
| J1m_ | Hm, I never see that failing, although I don't run the 3.8 tests anymore. | 00:40 |
| mgedmin | hey, there was one intermittent failure too recently: testNOK (ZEO.tests.testAuth.PlainTextAuth) | 00:40 |
| mgedmin | I assume it was intermittent since nobody ever commits to 3.4 any more, and buildbot still runs every night | 00:40 |
| J1m_ | That sounds familiar. I think that's fixed in 3.9. | 00:40 |
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| mgedmin | good | 00:41 |
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| mgedmin | old data.fs + latest kgs packages == AttributeError: '_LocalAdapterRegistry' object has no attribute '_provided' on every notify() | 01:09 |
| mgedmin | bug in BBB code or are ancient data.fs'es explicitly not supported? | 01:10 |
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| mgedmin | it works with the 3.4 kgs | 01:10 |
| mgedmin | and I think I ran all the evolution scripts that come in 3.4 | 01:10 |
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| VladDrac | I never get them right | 16:12 |
| VladDrac | never, ever | 16:12 |
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| VladDrac | I would guess that <span>openquestion1 changed</span><span>\n (Original question when answered: openquestion1) | 16:13 |
| VladDrac | matches ...openquestion1 changed...(Original question when aswered: openquestion1)... | 16:13 |
| VladDrac | but it doesn't | 16:13 |
| VladDrac | ah.. duh.. typo | 16:14 |
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| VladDrac | how lame | 16:17 |
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| multani | hi, i'm trying to plug repoze.who in our zope3 application | 17:44 |
| multani | we are using a bunch of zope.* packages I'm not very familiar with, and there's "something" which returns me a 401 error when I'm not authenticated | 17:45 |
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| multani | i'm looking for some help to localize this "something" | 17:45 |
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| mcdonc | multani: the something probably depends on the "identifier" who plugin that you're using.. are you using form authentication? | 18:00 |
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| multani | mcdonc, in fact, i'm looking for something below repoze.who | 18:05 |
| mcdonc | multani: ok... i didnt know whether you meant the form that was rendered by r.who or not | 18:05 |
| mcdonc | multani: have you seen http://svn.repoze.org/repoze.whooze/trunk/ | 18:05 |
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| multani | mcdonc, no, i didn't know that | 18:06 |
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| ignas | why and how zope testrunner might fail to show a proper diff/ do proper output matching for an exception being thrown if ellipsis is used? | 18:08 |
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| mgedmin | ignas: pastebin | 18:30 |
| mgedmin | we won't help you, but we'll at least look at it and say "ooh, that's difficult" | 18:30 |
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| ignas | mgedmin: http://paste.lisp.org/display/83299 | 18:35 |
| benji | ignas: the behavior you're seeing is because doctest special-cases exception handling, it doesn't treat it like regular text in example output | 18:38 |
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| mgedmin | what does OOBTree.__getstate__ return? | 19:07 |
| * mgedmin finds the descriptive comment in the C file | 19:09 | |
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