IRC log of #zope3-dev for Monday, 2009-08-24

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ignasbenji: hi, I am not sure if I recall correctly, but i think you are familiar with testbrowser code, aren't you?16:12
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gary_posterignas: yeah he wrote it16:18
gary_poster(hi btw)16:18
ignashi16:18
ignasmy question is - have you ever encountered problems with referrer headers after redirects?16:18
ignasI seem to be having the if I go to a form Foo that submits to DoFoo, which redirects back to Foo, the next action I make has DoFoo as the referrer16:19
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gary_posterignas: (fwiw this is almost certainly at the mechanize.) mm, that one doesn't sound familiar.  I have encountered something odd itr; let me see if I can remember... btw, what version of mechanize are you using?16:21
ignas1.11 i think16:21
ignas0.1.1116:21
ignasyeah, looking at mechanize code now, but it seems like a huge mess16:22
gary_posterhm, I'm stuck on an old one here on launchpad.  yeah that code is pretty hard to decipher.16:22
gary_posteryeah, ignas, I have not encountered that behavior. Sorry I can't do more than pointing you to mechanize as the possible culprit.16:24
gary_posterIn my experience John J Lee (mechanize guy) has been reasonably  responsive when given patches with test cases, fwiw.16:24
__mac__ignas: there is a bug which might be related to your problem: https://bugs.launchpad.net/zope3/+bug/9843716:24
ignaslooked at it, but it's not that i think16:25
ignasmechanize sets the referrer to the "first url" of the redirect chain, while browser set's it to the "last url" of that chain16:26
ignasbrowser being firefox16:26
__mac__really looks like a problem in mechanize16:27
ignasindeed16:31
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ignasgary_poster: ok, it's zope testbrowser problem I think18:32
gary_posterignas: really!18:32
ignasform.submit is not setting referrer18:32
gary_posterignas: ah. :-/18:32
paroneayeaso, I think I've found a bug in chameleon.zpt ... I'm not sure if this or #repoze is the right channel for it, but the chameleon.core README.txt seems to hint this is18:32
ignasbrowser.getLink.click() -> sets it18:32
paroneayea(I'm working on trying to fix it, fwiw)18:32
ignasbrowser.getForm('').getControl('Submit').click() does not18:33
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gary_posterparoneayea: I dunno.  I would have gone to repoze myself.  mcdonc ?18:34
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ignasok, both ways it18:36
ignasdoes not work18:36
gary_posterignas: :-(18:36
ignasbrowser.getControl('Submit').click()18:36
ignaswhich is mechanize iirc18:36
ignasand browser.getForm().getControl('submit').click()18:36
ignaswhich is zope.testbrowser code18:36
gary_posterignas: they are both testbrowser code18:37
gary_posterignas: you have to reach under the hood for _mechanize if you want that thing18:37
gary_posterIIRC18:37
ignasyeah, I know, just looking at the easiest way to work around it... can't test my login code with this happening18:38
ignasas I get into an infinite redirect loop18:38
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ignasok, patching _clickSubmit method so it would add referrer headers works18:46
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gary_posterawesome, that's a lot simpler then other things18:47
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ignas            self.mech_browser.open(self.mech_browser._add_referer_header(form.click(18:55
ignas                id=control.id, name=control.name, label=label, coord=coord)))18:55
ignasthe change I made if you will be fixing it any time in the future18:55
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gary_posterignas: what, you won't check it in? :-)18:57
ignasgary_poster: lost my commit access, because I have no scanner ;)18:57
ignasand now I am using Pylons :P18:57
gary_posterignas: no scanner: BAH! :-)18:57
gary_posterignas: Pylons: :-P :-) I've heard some good things about it.  Would be nice if mcdonc's efforts to have some unified underlying infrastructure for pylons/repoze.bfg/turbogears got some traction, but that hasn't appeared to go much of anywhere.18:59
ignasduno about infrastructure, made one myself :)19:00
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gary_posterignas: I mean, sharing something like zope.component as a way of providing pluggability19:08
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* ignas tries not to get started on a long rant about pluggability19:09
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gary_posterignas: write a blog post about it and send it to me.  I gave an OSCON talk about analyzing what worked and didn't work for Launchpad's use of zope.component.  We have many programmers who don't come from the Zope world.  Some people didn't see a win for zope.component's sort of pluggability.19:13
gary_posterBut the consensus, at least my unscientific impression of the unscientific sampling of the engineers I asked, was that it actually does add value that is difficult to replace, but at a very high cost.  The cost was regarded as probably being worth it for Launchpad.  I tried to identify those costs and have been thinking about ways to make them less.19:13
gary_posterIf you were willing to share your thoughts, I'd certainly be curious, but I also shouldn't talk about it on IRC right now. :-)19:13
ignas:) yeah, I must go home too19:14
ignasthough - I find it easier to express myself in a dialog, rather than in a letter ;)19:15
ignasagile methodology ;) tuning the product to the user iteratively, instead of trying to guess all the possible eventualities and put them up front :)19:16
gary_posterignas: ack, ok.  ping me sometime if you want to talk.  I really an curious.  We'll try to time it to no more than like 20 or min or something, and see if anything comes out of it.  agile: sure, agree about app.  But what about libraries?19:16
gary_posterand what about frameworks?  the word gets a bad rap, but IMO they have their place19:17
ignasok, see you, must run now19:17
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gary_posterbye :-)19:17
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