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| mgedmin | the zope.component megadiscussion scares me | 13:38 |
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| mgedmin | apparently there is enthusiasm and drive in the zope 3 community after all | 13:39 |
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| mgedmin | only it's focused on bikeshedding about changing the APIs yet again, in backwards-incompatible ways | 13:39 |
| mgedmin | and we still don't have a Zope 3 website | 13:39 |
| kobold | mgedmin: well, who is *still* using the monolithic zope3 nowadays? :) | 13:40 |
| mgedmin | who said anything about monolithic? | 13:40 |
| kobold | zope 3 website looks like "the zope 3 application framework", which is monolithic, no? | 13:41 |
| mgedmin | it exists? where? | 13:41 |
| mgedmin | we have some old and dusty unmaintained wiki somewhere | 13:41 |
| kobold | I meant, the term "zope 3" means "zope 3 application framework" | 13:41 |
| mgedmin | no, it means "zope 3" | 13:42 |
| mgedmin | ;) | 13:43 |
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| kobold | oh well, zope 3 now is the ztk, which is a subset of the old monolithic zope3, and thus we have a zope3 application server... | 13:43 |
| kobold | damn, it is not clear what we have :) | 13:44 |
| mgedmin | ah, that's what I thought too! | 13:44 |
| mgedmin | turns out, ztk != zope 3 | 13:44 |
| mgedmin | ztk = a toolkit for building web frameworks like zope 3 | 13:45 |
| mgedmin | and repoze.bfg and whatever | 13:45 |
| mgedmin | or something like that | 13:45 |
| mgedmin | there ought to be a picture | 13:45 |
| mgedmin | showing what's ztk, what's zope 3, what's kgs | 13:45 |
| mgedmin | where community packages fit in etc. | 13:46 |
| mgedmin | assuming anybody knows, actually | 13:46 |
| mgedmin | I suspect there are as many different understandings as there are people | 13:46 |
| kobold | there are a lot of pictures, the problem is that ztk has a different meaning to each one of the zope developers ;) | 13:46 |
| kobold | it is more or less like "the packages I use so I want to be included in the official ztk", isn't it? | 13:47 |
| mgedmin | what's the definition of the official ztk? | 13:49 |
| mgedmin | is there a ztk/versions.cfg somewhere? | 13:49 |
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| mgedmin | http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/about/coreextra.html says "The project maintains a list of which libraries are considered core." | 13:51 |
| mgedmin | no link to the list | 13:51 |
| mgedmin | awesome | 13:51 |
| * mgedmin *headdesk* | 13:51 | |
| mgedmin | okay, here's a list: http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/releases/packages-trunk.html | 13:51 |
| mgedmin | huh? things like zope.app.folder are not part of ZTK, but are dependencies of ZTK? | 13:52 |
| mgedmin | legacy reasons, I suppose? | 13:53 |
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| Count-Duckula | I still use "monolithic zope3"! | 13:58 |
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| mgedmin | I've mostly migrated to buildouts using Zope 3.4 KGS | 14:27 |
| mgedmin | but I still have one customer app running on monolithic Zope 3.2 | 14:28 |
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