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mgedmingocept.selenium works nicely17:10
mgedminI have some minor details to fix, though17:11
mgedmine.g. New thread(s): [<_DummyThread(Dummy-2, started daemon)>]17:12
Theuni1oh yeah17:12
Theuni1stuff like that :)17:12
Theuni1good to hear though17:12
Theuni1there's definitely work needed17:12
Theuni1and I still need to move it over to zope.org17:13
Theuni1hmm17:13
Theuni1i'll ask one of the guys to do that17:13
mgedminzope.testing's layers drive me insane17:13
mgedmin_insane_17:13
mgedminor, more precisely, __insane__17:13
mgedminAFAICS the design was made so you could use classes as layers, to simplify things17:14
mgedminbut it only complexifies things17:14
mgedminthe README I contributed for gocept.selenium suggests defining our own test layer like this:17:15
mgedmin    layer = gocept.selenium.ztk.Layer(YourNormalFtestLayer)17:15
mgedminsadly, that results in a layer named 'gocept.selenium.ztk.Layer'17:15
mgedminor, if you mix and match apps, in many layers using that name17:16
mgedminso, what's a good way to give it a name?  subclass?17:16
Theuni1i think our last understanding at our sprint was that it's actually reasonable design but some specific layer implementations screwed up in between.17:17
Theuni1can't remember which way around though :/17:17
mgedminthe documentation isn't exactly what I would call accessible17:18
mgedminalso, I don't remember if layer names are supposed to be accurate17:19
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Theuni1kinda17:19
Theuni1otherwise you can't filter them17:19
mgedminooh, cool, awesome *headdesk17:19
mgedmingocept.selenium.base.Layer overrides __name__17:19
mgedminso if I subclass, I have to override __name__ again, or name my class Layer17:20
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mgedminwait, no that's right17:20
Theuni1yes no yes no17:20
mgedminbecause foo.Layer is supposed to be my LayerClass() instance17:20
Theuni1australia ... america ... australia ... ;)17:20
mgedminmaybe17:21
mgedmingaaah kill me now pleeeeaseeeee17:21
* Theuni1 pokes mgedmin in the eye17:21
mgedminmaybe I should learn Django one of these days17:21
* benji didn't know that poking in the eye was mgedmin's one fatal weakness.17:21
Theuni1benji: try it yourself! today!17:21
benjiheh17:22
Theuni1for free!17:22
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* benji didn't die.17:22
Theuni1o_O17:22
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mgedminbenji, you were absolutely right about the gag reflex of the IFoo<<a, b, c>> syntax17:27
benji:)17:27
benjialso, I realized that it wouldn't work17:27
benjiright shift wants a second operand17:28
benjithere's always "IFoo <<adapt>> context"  ;)17:28
* mgedmin is relieved that the IFoo.adapt() syntax seems to have won17:29
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* mgedmin has selenium in his buildbot now18:38
mgedminit was incredibly complicated18:38
mgedminnot a lot of head-banging, just a huge number of pieces to align18:39
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yotaffhi mgedmin , how do you use selenium? "Traditional way" with browser?18:43
mgedminyes18:44
mgedminwell18:44
mgedminmaybe18:44
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mgedminI want tests integrated with my (zope.testing) test suite18:44
mgedminand I want them to run without bothering me with popping-up windows etc18:44
mgedminso now I can 'make test-selenium' and it runs seleniumrc in the background, under Xvfb, then runs zope.testing which talks to seleniumrc, which then spawns Firefox (under the same Xvfb)18:45
mgedminthis is what my buildbot now runs18:45
mgedminTODO: tests with a virtualbox with Internet Explorer inside18:46
mgedminthe app itself probably won't run on Windows18:46
mgedminbut seleniumrc ought to...18:46
yotaffinteresting, if you add your tests suite in zope.testing, I hope you will write about it on your blog ;)18:46
mgedminhttp://pypi.python.org/pypi/gocept.selenium will have a short HOWTO once they wake up and commit my README.txt patch (and make a release)18:47
yotaffcool18:47
yotaffI'm reluctant to use selenium18:48
* mgedmin wonders about a zope.testbrowser lookalike that translates its API to Selenium calls18:48
mgedminselenium is a big pain in the posterior18:49
mgedminbut do you know anything better?18:49
benjimgedmin: it's called zc.testbrowser.real18:49
mgedminassuming you want to functionally test with real browsers' Javascript and DOM implementations?18:49
benjiwell, not quite, but it's the same idea18:49
yotaffmgedmin: a good step is to integrate etestbrowser18:49
mgedmindoes zc.testbrowser.real work now?18:49
mgedminlast I heard of it, it was a not-really-functional experimental prototype18:49
benjiit might, but I don't plan on putting any more work into it18:49
mgedminthat kinda did the same thing as selenium rc18:49
benjiyeah, it's not production ready, and probably won't ever be18:50
mgedminwhich is a plus (no Java!) and a minus (reinventing wheel, not debugged, not working yet)18:50
mgedminand what's etestbrowser?18:50
mgedminwhy does google find PyPI links to specific versions only?18:50
benjia testbrowser API on top of selenium RC would be cool, but it's probably easier just to use the Python bindings for selenium RC18:50
yotaffestestbrowser is a small wrapper on testbrowser, and add xpath capabilities18:51
mgedminbenji, I'm also wondering if we could run our existing testbrowser testsuite with selenium18:51
benjibecause the non-specific version 301s to the current specific one, and Google doesn't index URLs that 301, but their target instead18:51
yotaffhttp://pypi.python.org/pypi/z3c.etestbrowser/1.3.018:51
mgedminbenji: I get 200 OK for http://pypi.python.org/pypi/z3c.etestbrowser18:52
mgedminmaybe the front page (or simple index pages) only links to versioned urls18:52
* mgedmin a bit unhappy when pypi packages have no web-browsable docs18:53
benjihmm, indeed; ignore everything I just said18:53
mgedminwho am I kidding, I'm VERY unhappy18:53
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benjisame here18:53
benjiI really like the pattern of generating the docs with Sphinx and uploading to packages.python.org18:54
mgedmininteresting18:54
mgedminhow does one do that?18:54
mgedminoh, there are docs at the root of that domain18:54
benjithe PyPI UI has a place to upload a zip18:55
benjithen you just point to it in your long description, like so: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/manuel18:55
yotaffunhappy? I'm angry. I have an internal infrastructure (with a mirror of PyPI, few KGS), and it's a pain to maintain with the lack of standards18:59
yotaffI'm glad to see Tarek's PEP19:00
mgedminyotaff, blog! educate maintainers!19:00
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yotaffmgedmin: right19:01
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