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| sobczyk | I use zope 3.4.0 and put the code in ~/myzope/lib/python/boom so according to the tutorial | 04:16 |
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| CIA-94 | the last change was from old Zope 3 book, taken from wiki, | 09:48 |
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| CIA-94 | baijum * r115631 /bluebream/website/docs/v1.0/reference/zcml.rst: mention z3c.sqlalchemy | 10:38 |
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| cheater | hi | 10:47 |
| cheater | does zope have a good API for editing objects through html forms? | 10:48 |
| cheater | is it like, a natural thing to do? or is there a lot of impedance-matching involved? | 10:48 |
| Theuni1 | all the frameworks have some specific way of doing it, but generally thats one of the things that zope was made for | 10:50 |
| Theuni1 | which flavor of Zope are you talking about? | 10:50 |
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| CIA-94 | baijum * r115631 /bluebream/website/docs/v1.0/reference/zcml.rst: mention z3c.sqlalchemy | 10:54 |
| CIA-94 | baijum * r115632 /bluebream/website/docs/v1.0/reference/zcml.rst: rdb story repeats | 10:54 |
| cheater | Theuni1: none in specific, i didn't know there were 'flavors' of zope | 10:55 |
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| baijum | cheater: http://zope2.zope.org/ http://grok.zope.org/ http://bluebream.zope.org/ | 10:56 |
| baijum | these are major flavours | 10:56 |
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| ignas | hi | 12:11 |
| ignas | is there a way to get analogue of "context" in a method in a product? | 12:11 |
| ignas | my product is a Folder, so someone can do: foo/my_product/bar/baz/method_from_my_product | 12:11 |
| cheater | baijum: thanks | 12:11 |
| ignas | and I want to "call some code" so I would get "baz" which would be the context if my method was a simple python script | 12:12 |
| cheater | Theuni1: given that i'm not talking about any specific version, what is the 'best' for this sort of thing? | 12:12 |
| cheater | Theuni1: i'm not talking about prettiness, i'm talking about functionality | 12:12 |
| Theuni1 | depends a lot. if you want to get a quick view, check out grok | 12:14 |
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| cheater | so i thought zope was just a framework | 12:33 |
| cheater | i understand grok is a sort of lib for zope, right? | 12:33 |
| ignas | not really | 12:33 |
| ignas | it's the other way around ;) | 12:33 |
| ignas | Zope is a set of libraries Grok web framework is build on | 12:33 |
| ignas | so I can't really add a method to my product that would act the same way as "Python Script" does? | 12:33 |
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| cheater | oh | 12:34 |
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| Theuni1 | ignas: my head explodes ;) | 12:53 |
| ignas | aw | 12:54 |
| * ignas writing a magic script that would dump a ttw into a file system product | 12:56 | |
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| Theuni1 | yikes | 12:56 |
| ignas | it almost works | 12:58 |
| ignas | except a couple of places | 12:58 |
| ignas | where the "magic hippo who can vaccinate himself" acquisition is used | 12:58 |
| ignas | http://docs.zope.org/zope2/zope2book/ScriptingZope.html#calling-scripts-from-python | 12:59 |
| MatthewWilkes | ignas: like FSDump? or qPloneSkinDump for Plone? | 12:59 |
| ignas | not really | 12:59 |
| ignas | way better | 12:59 |
| ignas | i mean - I use FSDump | 12:59 |
| ignas | to dump the code | 12:59 |
| ignas | but then put the code into Objects | 12:59 |
| ignas | that are folders as methods | 12:59 |
| ignas | and rebuild the structure identical to the original one | 12:59 |
| ignas | keeps the app working | 12:59 |
| ignas | but suddenly all the important code is in the Product | 13:00 |
| MatthewWilkes | right | 13:00 |
| ignas | as methods, queries, templates in the proper place etc. | 13:00 |
| ignas | without having to go and change the access pattern of all the methods (especially difficult with all the code being in Data.fs) | 13:00 |
| Theuni1 | which reminds me of something similar | 13:00 |
| Theuni1 | we implemented fssync for zope 2.11 that works almost like Ape did before 2.7 | 13:01 |
| Theuni1 | seems to give reasonable results to at least get your ZODB-based ZMI developed stuff into VCS | 13:01 |
| ignas | problem is - how do I get to the "acquisition context" | 13:01 |
| ignas | from a method | 13:02 |
| Theuni1 | right | 13:02 |
| Theuni1 | they're built to not have any | 13:02 |
| bigkevmcd | ignas: if it's called, it will be the first parameter | 13:03 |
| bigkevmcd | i.e. if you do /x/y/z/my_script | 13:03 |
| bigkevmcd | z will be the first parameter to my_script | 13:03 |
| bigkevmcd | it depends what your Product is doing | 13:03 |
| ignas | hmm, what about other parameters? | 13:04 |
| bigkevmcd | how are you registering your function? | 13:05 |
| ignas | I am not registering | 13:05 |
| ignas | class ProductBase(Folder.Folder, Implicit) | 13:06 |
| ignas | and methods are well - methods | 13:06 |
| bigkevmcd | so, self is the context | 13:06 |
| ignas | nope | 13:06 |
| bigkevmcd | it will be | 13:06 |
| ignas | self is the product :/ | 13:06 |
| ignas | it is not | 13:06 |
| bigkevmcd | yeah | 13:06 |
| bigkevmcd | the product is the context | 13:06 |
| bigkevmcd | it's a Folder | 13:06 |
| ignas | Product/x/y/my_script | 13:06 |
| ignas | self is Product | 13:07 |
| ignas | not y | 13:07 |
| bigkevmcd | that's not right | 13:07 |
| bigkevmcd | what class is y ? | 13:07 |
| ignas | ProductFolder2 | 13:08 |
| bigkevmcd | what is it subclassed from? | 13:09 |
| ignas | Folder.Folder, Implicit | 13:09 |
| bigkevmcd | that should work then | 13:09 |
| bigkevmcd | tho', something rings a bell that Folders are odd | 13:09 |
| bigkevmcd | ignas: no, I'm fairly sure that should work | 13:11 |
| bigkevmcd | unless something rather dramatic has happened in the past 3 years | 13:12 |
| ignas | hmm, any clues on how to debug it? | 13:18 |
| mgedmin | pdb? | 13:18 |
| bigkevmcd | ignas: can you pdb into a method, and pp self, and pp self.aq_parent ? | 13:21 |
| ignas | sec let me finish with another issue | 13:21 |
| ignas | need 1 min | 13:21 |
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| ignas | (<rttax at /projektai2/rttax>, <projektai2 at /projektai2>, <HTTPRequest, URL=http://localhost:8011/projektai2/rttax/control/menu/system/Registrai/MokesciuSistemos/foo>) | 13:24 |
| ignas | self, parent, request | 13:24 |
| bigkevmcd | what is "control" ? | 13:24 |
| bigkevmcd | what is "menu" ? | 13:25 |
| bigkevmcd | what is "system" ? | 13:25 |
| ignas | all are products inheriting from Folder and Implicit | 13:25 |
| bigkevmcd | what is "Registrai" and "MokesciuSistemos" ? | 13:25 |
| ignas | i can do the same with only "control", still self is well - "self" | 13:27 |
| ignas | (rttax Folder) in this case | 13:27 |
| bigkevmcd | what are "rttax" and "projektai2" subclassed from? | 13:28 |
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| ignas | product base, which is Folder, Implicit | 13:29 |
| ignas | code is auto generated so it is *very* consistent | 13:30 |
| bigkevmcd | yeah, I have this funny feeling that Folders work differently | 13:31 |
| bigkevmcd | but I can't think why | 13:31 |
| bigkevmcd | ignas: how are you adding the child objects? | 13:31 |
| ignas | copy paste from "Folder" named "projektai2" into "projektai2Folder" named "projektai2" | 13:32 |
| ignas | there are lots of things i am not exporting yet, like java script files, resources, db connection, and all the junk i don't know how to deal with yet | 13:33 |
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| ignas | it's like "rename projektai2 -> projektai2.old" "create projektai2(Folder, Implicit) as projektai2" "cut all stuff from projektai2.old" "paste it into projektai2" "delete projektai2.old" | 13:34 |
| ignas | repeat until the whole tree has been processed | 13:34 |
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| * mgedmin is looking at Bindings._getContext, which is what Python scripts use to define the 'context' variable | 13:40 | |
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| mgedmin | ignas, DefaultPublishTraverse.publishTraverse is interesting | 13:47 |
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| ignas | (frankly - is scary ;) | 13:47 |
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| mgedmin | could it be that you're hitting the 'No __bobo_traverse__", so "Try with an unacquired attribute" code path | 13:48 |
| mgedmin | that doesn't call __of__ on the thing getattr() returns | 13:48 |
| mgedmin | ? | 13:48 |
| mgedmin | but wait, aq_base() is used only for hasattr, not the getattr | 13:49 |
| mgedmin | if you experiment with rttax['control']['menu'].aq_parent, do you get rttax['control'] back? | 13:50 |
| ignas | a sec, just did a "let's regenerate all code thing" | 13:51 |
| ignas | the experiment returns 'control', as expected | 13:52 |
| mgedmin | ok, so at what point is the context lost? | 13:52 |
| mgedmin | ['MokesciuSistemos'].foo? | 13:53 |
| mgedmin | is foo a method? | 13:53 |
| ignas | yeah | 13:53 |
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| ignas | def bar(self): self.control.menu.foo() | 13:55 |
| ignas | when I call bar() and get pdb in foo | 13:55 |
| ignas | self is the non-acquisition self | 13:55 |
| ignas | without menu in sight | 13:55 |
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| mgedmin | so, in bar() | 13:56 |
| mgedmin | what's self.control.menu.foo.aq_parent? | 13:56 |
| ignas | function has no attribute aq_parent | 13:56 |
| mgedmin | no, wait, this is probably the wrong question | 13:57 |
| mgedmin | what's self.control.menu.foo.im_self.aq_parent? | 13:57 |
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| ignas | projektai2... | 13:58 |
| ignas | self.control.menu.aq_parent aq_parent is control though | 13:59 |
| kosh | hi freaks | 14:01 |
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| Theuni1 | kosh: look who's talking | 14:07 |
| kosh | Theuni1: experience helps recognize it in others | 14:10 |
| Theuni1 | *g | 14:10 |
| mgedmin | ignas, what's type(self.control.menu)? | 14:16 |
| ignas | wrapper | 14:19 |
| ignas | ImplicitAcquirerWrapper | 14:19 |
| ignas | self is qcquirer wrapper too | 14:19 |
| ignas | and yeah, I can recall something about self passed to methods being "unwrapped" | 14:19 |
| ignas | losing the acquisition context | 14:20 |
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| mgedmin | ignas, what's type(self.control.menu)? | 14:21 |
| mgedmin | oops, nevermind | 14:21 |
| mgedmin | <alt-tab><up><enter> was supposed to re-run my test suite, not chat on irc | 14:21 |
| ignas | :) | 14:22 |
| mgedmin | there's some zopish magic going on in things like PythonScripts, where self remains wrapped | 14:22 |
| ignas | mright :/ | 14:23 |
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| ignas | so prolly no "context = self.some_magic_code()" for me | 14:24 |
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| ignas | guess i'll just look into the request if i'll be unable to workaround it :/ | 14:25 |
| mgedmin | new- vs old- style classes? | 14:25 |
| ignas | my classes are inheriting from Folder and Implicit | 14:26 |
| mgedmin | seriously, look at Shared/DC/Scripts/Bindings.py, _getContext, and believe that what you want is possible | 14:26 |
| ignas | so if both of those are old style - I am old style | 14:26 |
| ignas | nope | 14:26 |
| ignas | that code just unwraps the self | 14:26 |
| ignas | until only the "last" layer is left | 14:26 |
| mgedmin | can you create an actual PythonScript and compare? | 14:26 |
| mgedmin | container.some_python_script._getContext.im_self.aq_parent | 14:27 |
| ignas | hmm, container.menu.aaa_test._getContext.im_self.aq_parent is "menu" if I do it directly | 14:32 |
| ignas | but if i call the "method" that prints it like container.menu.print_context and it calls self.aaa_test._getContext.im_self.aq_parent | 14:32 |
| ignas | i get the parent of the "print_context" | 14:33 |
| ignas | and I can't call _getContext inside the python script | 14:33 |
| ignas | because it's private | 14:33 |
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| ignas | 949 files changed, 49388 insertions(+), 43 deletions(-) | 14:45 |
| ignas | magic :) | 14:45 |
| CIA-94 | ctheune * r115633 /zopetoolkit/doc/source/zope-dev/zope-dev-20100810.rst: document yesterdays meeting | 14:51 |
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| CIA-94 | tlotze * r115634 gocept.selenium/ (src/gocept/selenium/selenese.py CHANGES.txt): added (assert|waitFor)Element(Width|Height) to the selenese API | 15:17 |
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| mgedmin | tlotze's not here :( | 15:26 |
| Theuni1 | i can make him | 15:26 |
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| mgedmin | http://pypi.python.org/pypi/collective.recipe.seleniumrc needs a bugfix and a release; I emailed Jordan Baker six weeks ago with no response | 15:27 |
| mgedmin | now I see tlotze is also listed as a maintainer on PyPI | 15:27 |
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| mgedmin | I suppose I can drop him an email | 15:30 |
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| thomas | mgedmin: I hear you've been looking for me? | 15:34 |
| mgedmin | thomas, hi! | 15:34 |
| thomas | hi! | 15:34 |
| mgedmin | just sent you an email about collective.recipe.seleniumrc | 15:34 |
| thomas | Hm, haven't gotten it yet. | 15:35 |
| mgedmin | short version: you're a PyPI maintainer and can make releases | 15:35 |
| thomas | true | 15:35 |
| thomas | .oO( should that thing be released at all? ) | 15:36 |
| mgedmin | eh? | 15:36 |
| thomas | Hm, it contains some scary stuff, at least last time I looked. | 15:36 |
| mgedmin | you're scaring me | 15:36 |
| mgedmin | I use it for testing my app | 15:36 |
| thomas | That bit about guessing system paths to firefox, for example. | 15:36 |
| mgedmin | it mostly works | 15:37 |
| thomas | the operative word being "mostly" ;o) | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | there's a bug that prevents it from working with selenium rc 1.0.3 | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | but that bug's been fixed in trunk | 15:37 |
| thomas | OK, I'll make a release then. | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | just a sec | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | my email's been greylisted | 15:37 |
| thomas | ah, that's why | 15:37 |
| mgedmin | I attached a small doc fix for the ReST problems in long_description | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | you may want to apply that before making a release | 15:38 |
| thomas | let's see | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | the mail went through now | 15:38 |
| thomas | Are you confident that the recipe is OK otherwise in its current trunk state? | 15:38 |
| mgedmin | well, I haven't done a full source code audit | 15:39 |
| mgedmin | I just know that I found it on PyPI, tried it, got it to work, use it | 15:39 |
| thomas | meaning "no worse than before" ;o) | 15:39 |
| mgedmin | for a year now, I think | 15:39 |
| thomas | OK, so if you use it successfully in its current state, that's good enough | 15:39 |
| mgedmin | I've built an egg of svn rev 112031 for local use ~1.5 months ago, to get that bugfix | 15:40 |
| thomas | Well, I'll look into it in maybe two hours, have to do other stuff until then. | 15:40 |
| mgedmin | no rush! | 15:40 |
| thomas | no problem | 15:40 |
| mgedmin | just noticed your selenium-related checkin announced by the CIA bot on this channel | 15:40 |
| mgedmin | which reminded me of that outstanding issue | 15:40 |
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| ignas | ow, ow, ow, ow, if you do not pass some parameter to a ZSQL method from your python script | 16:18 |
| ignas | query just takes it from the request | 16:18 |
| mgedmin | it's magic! | 16:26 |
| ignas | it's not about params! | 16:26 |
| ignas | it's during <dtml-sqlvar > expansion | 16:26 |
| ignas | that the REQUEST.get happens | 16:27 |
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| agroszer | does anyone know by heart why zope.pagetemplate suddenly switches to text/xml? | 16:37 |
| mgedmin | agroszer, do you start your template with <?xml ? | 16:44 |
| mgedmin | iirc there's some content sniffing going on | 16:44 |
| mgedmin | (the nasty thing about it was that in XML mode tal:foo are all ignored if you don't explicitly add xmlns:tal="the proper magic url that you have to find out somehow by reading the source code" | 16:45 |
| mgedmin | ) | 16:45 |
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| sim_sim | Is there some module to parse the subunit ouput of zope.testing which take into account the layer tags ? | 17:07 |
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| CIA-94 | - remove page numbering | 19:56 |
| CIA-94 | - comment template for supporters | 19:56 |
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