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| xitrium | Can anyone tell me how people normally do db migrations with zodb? is using __setstate__ a bad idea? | 01:05 |
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| nitrogenycs | xitrium: I think some people use http://pypi.python.org/pypi/zope.app.generations | 01:15 |
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| CIA-82 | icemac * r118419 z3c.widget/ (8 files in 7 dirs): | 09:50 |
| CIA-82 | - Added doctests to ``long_description`` to be visible on PyPI. | 09:50 |
| CIA-82 | - Fixed REST to be consistent. | 09:50 |
| CIA-82 | icemac * r118420 z3c.widget/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Preparing release 0.3.0 | 09:50 |
| CIA-82 | icemac * r118421 /z3c.widget/tags/0.3.0: Tagging 0.3.0 | 09:50 |
| CIA-82 | icemac * r118422 z3c.widget/ (CHANGES.txt setup.py): Back to development: 0.3.1 | 09:50 |
| CIA-82 | icemac * r118423 z3c.zodbbrowser/ (12 files in 2 dirs): Conform to repository policy. | 09:50 |
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| CIA-82 | janjaapdriessen janjaapdriessen-resource-publisher * r118425 hurry.resource/src/hurry/resource/tests.py: Refactor test setup | 10:49 |
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| planetzopebot | Authentication and authorization in Grok (New Cows) http://jw.n--tree.net/2010/11/16/authentication-and-authorization-in-grok | 14:04 |
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| Theuni_ | howdi! | 16:59 |
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| Theuni_ | -win 3 | 17:00 |
| Theuni_ | brr. | 17:00 |
| Theuni_ | so, who's here? | 17:01 |
| Theuni_ | is it 3pm UTC? | 17:01 |
| bigkevmcd | yip | 17:02 |
| Theuni_ | k, so it's not me :) | 17:03 |
| Theuni_ | anyone who was at plone conference or the recent grok sprint? | 17:03 |
| j-w | i attended the grok forest sprint | 17:04 |
| goschtl | me too :) | 17:04 |
| Theuni_ | hooray, we have a candidate :) | 17:04 |
| Theuni_ | you two wanna say something about what happened? | 17:04 |
| j-w | a nice forest indeed | 17:04 |
| Theuni_ | heh | 17:04 |
| j-w | yes, let me try: | 17:04 |
| j-w | we started on a middleware that would offload serving resources from zope | 17:05 |
| j-w | as transparently as possible | 17:05 |
| j-w | its on a hurry.resource branch still | 17:05 |
| * j-w looks for summary post to the grok-dev list... | 17:05 | |
| Theuni_ | ah, interesting, another case that i'd hope would integrate with a common resource-handling codebase :) | 17:05 |
| j-w | lots of launchpad cleanups | 17:06 |
| j-w | turned out lots of bug reports could be closed | 17:06 |
| goschtl | we splitted grok further into grokcore.rest, grokcore.xmlrpc, grokcore.json | 17:06 |
| j-w | long-standing branches merged | 17:06 |
| Theuni_ | j-w: for grok or in general? | 17:06 |
| j-w | updated to latest martian | 17:07 |
| j-w | yes | 17:07 |
| j-w | oh, for grok | 17:07 |
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| j-w | discussion on what a new publisher might look like | 17:07 |
| j-w | and how feasible it is to create a new one from scratch | 17:07 |
| j-w | community documentation improvements | 17:08 |
| j-w | and much more :) | 17:08 |
| j-w | it was a very nice sprint, too bad I could only attend three out of five days | 17:08 |
| Theuni_ | j-w: ah, i think new publisher is one of the potential topics for a dedicated sprint next year | 17:08 |
| Theuni_ | do you think the interest in that is large? | 17:08 |
| goschtl | Theuni_: grok runs without zodb | 17:08 |
| Theuni_ | j-w: i wanted to make it, too, but didn't :( | 17:08 |
| goschtl | there is a megrok.nozodb | 17:08 |
| Theuni_ | goschtl: nice, even without having the dependency installed? | 17:08 |
| j-w | Theuni_: yes, I heard, too bad, would've been nice | 17:09 |
| j-w | not sure about publisher-interest | 17:09 |
| Theuni_ | j-w: how many people were at the sprint? | 17:09 |
| goschtl | no not without the dependency... | 17:09 |
| j-w | as for the resource handling stuff, at some point people should really have a look at hurry.resource | 17:09 |
| j-w | Theuni_: ehm, about.. 12 I think | 17:10 |
| Theuni_ | j-w: yeah and i think we need a statement from the .. hmm "community" that some package is the canonical one | 17:10 |
| Theuni_ | and then start pushing it together | 17:10 |
| Theuni_ | IMHO | 17:10 |
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| Theuni_ | goschtl: but without the publisher hooking into it? | 17:11 |
| Theuni_ | goschtl: so, what is the running without ZODB about? not having to configure it? | 17:11 |
| j-w | there's vague plans too, to rename it and "market it" as a stand alone "project" | 17:11 |
| Theuni_ | j-w: would that be within the Zope community or outside or what? :) | 17:11 |
| goschtl | Theuni_: it's not injected in the wsgi stuff | 17:12 |
| Theuni_ | goschtl: ic | 17:12 |
| j-w | Theuni_: dunno | 17:12 |
| janjaapdriessen | Theuni_: We are discussing hurry.resource on the #grok channel. | 17:13 |
| Theuni_ | janjaapdriessen: good to know, although I don't have time for that personally currently :/ | 17:14 |
| Theuni_ | Charlie_X: you there? | 17:14 |
| Theuni_ | so, anything else from the sprints? | 17:14 |
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| janjaapdriessen | Theuni_: I showed gocept.selenium and added grok support to gocept.selenium. | 17:15 |
| Theuni_ | that hopefully hasn't been too hard :) | 17:15 |
| * Charlie_X waves | 17:15 | |
| Charlie_X | Good job I logged on early. Brain is still very much in 17:00 mode. | 17:16 |
| Charlie_X | No Plonies here? | 17:16 |
| Theuni_ | looks so | 17:18 |
| Theuni_ | i'll drop that topic | 17:18 |
| Charlie_X | Our local DZUG is at least going to get some feedback from the Plone conference | 17:18 |
| Theuni_ | Ah. if you get some feedback you deem interesting for this round, I'd be happy to hear that once you get it. | 17:19 |
| Theuni_ | Charlie_X: in other news: how's the repository nagging script coming along? | 17:20 |
| Charlie_X | No news. My brain is only now starting to function properly again and I've had to deal with a hacked server - ProFTPd exploit + rootkit. | 17:22 |
| Theuni_ | got an ETA? | 17:22 |
| Theuni_ | We've been stalling for a while and I wonder whether we can do anything to speed it up. | 17:22 |
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| Charlie_X | Kicking my up the arse is a good way to speed it up. I suppose I could schedule it for the next bug day at the latest. | 17:23 |
| Charlie_X | And maybe the specification could be a little more verbose. | 17:23 |
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| Theuni_ | Charlie_X: ah | 17:27 |
| Theuni_ | ok, so last thing then would be checking for the next bug day | 17:27 |
| Theuni_ | would that be november or december? | 17:27 |
| Charlie_X | Speaking of bug day - we don't have one for this month. | 17:27 |
| Theuni_ | I guess November is done with scheduling anyway. | 17:28 |
| Theuni_ | I'm on holiday in December. How about the first week? Like December 2? | 17:28 |
| Charlie_X | BTW no one has released my changes to zope.publisher after the last bug day. This means that post bugday package management isn't happening. | 17:28 |
| Charlie_X | Thursdays are generally not so good for me as I often have to be on site. | 17:29 |
| Theuni_ | how about that week in general? | 17:30 |
| Theuni_ | want me to doodle that? | 17:30 |
| Theuni_ | yeah, i'm afraid *everybody* is pretty bogged down with work | 17:30 |
| Theuni_ | so all the management and maintenance stuff seems to stack up | 17:30 |
| Charlie_X | Indeed. We still need to work on the process for this. | 17:31 |
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| Charlie_X | It seems all the Zope-fed applications are okay but top-level package management is a bottleneck | 17:31 |
| Theuni_ | ok, so time's up for today. | 17:32 |
| Theuni_ | i'll send a doodle for a bug day in two weeks | 17:32 |
| Charlie_X | yup | 17:32 |
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| Theuni_ | ok, so over and out :) | 17:37 |
| Theuni_ | doodle for bug day is out | 17:37 |
| Charlie_X | signed up | 17:42 |
| Theuni_ | yeah, thanks | 17:44 |
| Charlie_X | If you get time you could always flesh out the e-mail you sent me. | 17:44 |
| CIA-82 | janjaapdriessen janjaapdriessen-resource-publisher * r118426 hurry.resource/src/hurry/resource/publisher.py: Publisher only sets cache control header on successful responses. Hidden files are not served. | 17:45 |
| CIA-82 | janjaapdriessen janjaapdriessen-resource-publisher * r118427 hurry.resource/src/hurry/resource/ (9 files in 6 dirs): Package to be used in tests | 17:45 |
| CIA-82 | janjaapdriessen janjaapdriessen-resource-publisher * r118428 hurry.resource/src/hurry/resource/tests.py: Setup a package in the test setup in order to use the entry_points. | 17:45 |
| CIA-82 | janjaapdriessen janjaapdriessen-resource-publisher * r118429 hurry.resource/setup.py: Install test dependencies | 17:45 |
| CIA-82 | janjaapdriessen janjaapdriessen-resource-publisher * r118430 hurry.resource/ (src/hurry/resource/README.txt CHANGES.txt): Add tests for publisher, explain hashes in URLs. Update changelog | 17:45 |
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| waldi | is there a reason, why the zodb blob stuff makes every file only readable by the owner? | 22:18 |
| moo_ | waldi: probably some kind of security concern? | 22:18 |
| moo_ | waldi: but I was wondering the same few days ago | 22:18 |
| moo_ | waldi: had to problems to copy those files | 22:18 |
| moo_ | couldn't assign another UNIX user to the same group | 22:18 |
| waldi | using the top directory to restrict access works fine. and everything else uses the umask | 22:19 |
| waldi | it even _check_ if the top directory is only readable by the owner. wtf? | 22:24 |
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| kosh | seems like a pretty valid security setting to me | 22:37 |
| kosh | blobs are internal server details, exactly how they are represented is internal data | 22:38 |
| kosh | why should an outside process be reading them? | 22:38 |
| benji | I can imagine a few reasons for wanting to read blobs, DB replication/backups being one; that being said, I think there was a reason for the file permissions being the way they are, but I can't remember what it is at the moment | 22:47 |
| kosh | db replication and backups should be running with a user that has access, normally the user that zope runs as if you want to replicate zope or root | 22:47 |
| benji | I don't disagree. Perhaps I read "why should an outside process be reading them?" more narrowly than intended. | 22:50 |
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| waldi | kosh: it is up to the admin to setup the security settings. why must zeo and zope run as the same uid? | 23:19 |
| waldi | kosh: (for shared blob dirs) | 23:20 |
| kosh | my understanding is they are not supposed to share | 23:20 |
| kosh | since that can lead to conflicts | 23:21 |
| kosh | zope uses a blob storage dir until it can push stuff to zeo | 23:21 |
| waldi | there is a explicit setting for this | 23:21 |
| waldi | (however it did not really work in my tests, some race condition with nfs) | 23:22 |
| kosh | hmm from what I read they should not really be shared but I would have to look at that very carefully | 23:23 |
| waldi | i only say that there is the option to share it (and the code to do this is available) | 23:25 |
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| kosh | report a bug or ask on the list about it | 23:34 |
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