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| jhauser | is there something special with the function of property in Z3? | 00:23 |
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| jhauser | I get this error | 00:23 |
| jhauser | ForbiddenAttribute: ('data', <zope.app.file.mimefield.FileDataValue object at 0x3b2f1b0>) | 00:23 |
| jhauser | FileDataValue subclasses File | 00:23 |
| jhauser | If I use File directly it works at least with data | 00:24 |
| jhauser | not with further attributes I set at the File() instance | 00:24 |
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| jhauser_ | Hi J1m, have you a short moment of time? | 13:11 |
| J1m | sure | 13:11 |
| jhauser_ | ForbiddenAttribute: ('data', <zope.app.file.mimefield.FileDataValue object at 0x3b301b0>) | 13:11 |
| jhauser_ | I have this error, if I try to set the data attribute in an subclass of File() | 13:12 |
| jhauser_ | Where is the error coming from, so I can look what it is? | 13:13 |
| J1m | did you make security declarations for FileDataValue? | 13:13 |
| jhauser_ | no | 13:13 |
| J1m | That's your problem. | 13:13 |
| jhauser_ | ah ok, than I will solve it :-) | 13:13 |
| J1m | ForbiddenAttribute errors happen when you try to access at attribute for which there is no declaration. | 13:14 |
| jhauser_ | the declarations need to be for the object, or the attribute | 13:16 |
| jhauser_ | in file/configure is the declaration for the schema | 13:16 |
| J1m | declarations are made for attributes defined by classes. | 13:16 |
| jhauser_ | this is then for all the schema defined attributes, right? | 13:16 |
| J1m | It doesn't matter how an attribute is defined. | 13:17 |
| J1m | Please see the tutorial. It is explained there. | 13:17 |
| jhauser_ | ok thanks | 13:17 |
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| jhauser_ | ah works :-), thanks | 13:43 |
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| J1m | jhauser_, see my 2 responses to Roger | 13:57 |
| J1m | jhauser_, do you understand my desire to combine data, mime type and encoding into a single field? | 13:59 |
| SteveA | data is meaningless without the other two | 14:00 |
| J1m | exactly | 14:00 |
| SteveA | when is python going to do that for strings? | 14:01 |
| J1m | why should it? | 14:01 |
| SteveA | that old bytes-of-data vs encoded string thing | 14:01 |
| J1m | This is pretty application domain dependent. | 14:01 |
| SteveA | i'd really like to see a "bytes" or "data" or "bytesdata" type | 14:02 |
| SteveA | and an encodedstring type, which is a str that knows its encoding | 14:02 |
| J1m | you mean, when is Python going to add a "bytes" type and merge str and unicode? | 14:02 |
| SteveA | yep, pretty much | 14:02 |
| SteveA | it's caught people out on my project a number of times | 14:03 |
| J1m | I think that encoded string shoul dbe something above python. | 14:03 |
| SteveA | it's caught people out on zope3 before | 14:03 |
| J1m | It could, of course be a standard library module. | 14:03 |
| J1m | yes | 14:03 |
| jhauser_ | J1m I understand what you want, I approach this slowly, need to pick up some things on the way | 14:04 |
| jhauser_ | the only thing I do not see, why there should be suddently a text edit field for a special mime type | 14:05 |
| jhauser_ | I think this can be done by a custom widget | 14:05 |
| J1m | text files are very common. People want and expect to be able to edit these. | 14:07 |
| J1m | IMO, this should be default behavior. | 14:07 |
| jhauser_ | I learned yesterday again, that not the field is the file data, but that I need to define a fieldvalue also | 14:07 |
| jhauser_ | so the field can put the fieldvalue at the cobj | 14:07 |
| jhauser_ | ok to text edit form input | 14:08 |
| J1m | However, once you have a text area, you have unicode and you need to know the etxt encoding. | 14:08 |
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| J1m | I don't know what you mean "not the field is the file data, but that I need to define a fieldvalue also so the field can put the fieldvalue at the cobj" | 14:08 |
| jhauser_ | I started with subclassing FileData from File, which was wrong | 14:09 |
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| jhauser_ | FileData is the field class | 14:09 |
| jhauser_ | That's like subclassing DateTime field from datetime :-) | 14:10 |
| J1m | ok. I think this is more general than files, which is why I suggested a name like "mime". | 14:10 |
| J1m | sure | 14:10 |
| jhauser_ | sure I change this to mime | 14:10 |
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| J1m | What we are really talking about is a non-multi mime part. | 14:11 |
| J1m | I sugest then that the mime standard should guide us. | 14:11 |
| J1m | I suggest then that the mime standard should guide us. | 14:11 |
| jhauser_ | :-) phew | 14:13 |
| jhauser_ | I will read there and come back with questions :-) | 14:13 |
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| jhauser_ | bye | 14:23 |
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| srichter | J1m: I am contemplating whether I should merge my branch today | 17:21 |
| srichter | J1m: it has still several XXX and zope.app.presentation does not work yet, but the longer I wait the harder it will be | 17:22 |
| srichter | what do you think? | 17:22 |
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| J1m | I think it's important not to break people's sandboxes. | 17:23 |
| srichter | then these people have to send my code examples | 17:23 |
| J1m | So, if checking something in would break sandboxes, then I think it should wait. | 17:23 |
| srichter | there is no way I can guess what they need | 17:23 |
| J1m | Then you should not have embarked on this project. | 17:24 |
| J1m | we have to maje a reasonable attempt to preserve apis that people use | 17:24 |
| J1m | we have to preserve their data | 17:24 |
| J1m | we have to make a reasonable attempt to preserve apis that people use | 17:24 |
| srichter | you talk about data or code? | 17:24 |
| J1m | Both | 17:24 |
| srichter | ok | 17:25 |
| J1m | It's a safe assumption that nobody is writing configuration directives. | 17:25 |
| J1m | Now, presenattion is tricier. | 17:25 |
| J1m | We know that persistent modules don't work. | 17:25 |
| J1m | That makes it somewhat unlikely that anyone is doing TTW adapters and presentation components (page folders). | 17:26 |
| srichter | that's all peanuts | 17:26 |
| srichter | there are problems with respect to view classes reuse | 17:26 |
| J1m | I think it would be reasonable to send a note to the list and ask if anyone is using TTW adapters or views. | 17:26 |
| J1m | Changes are, no one will say they are. | 17:26 |
| srichter | one of the bugs that was filed by marius (I think) was that he used a view class that is not there anymore | 17:26 |
| srichter | other examples include a probable dependence of RegistrationStack behavior | 17:27 |
| J1m | If you don't get any response after a few days, then I think it would be safe to start ripping thise code out. | 17:27 |
| J1m | It's a judgement call. | 17:27 |
| srichter | or what about the case that someone wrote their own Authentication sErvice? | 17:27 |
| J1m | That's harder. | 17:27 |
| J1m | You can ask. | 17:27 |
| srichter | Surely their custom authentications ervice is still registered, but it will not be used | 17:28 |
| J1m | I think that's a pretty serious problem. | 17:28 |
| srichter | right, I agree | 17:28 |
| J1m | IN any case, you need to send a heads up message a day or two before the merge as this is likely to be very disruptive. | 17:29 |
| srichter | ok, I will do that | 17:30 |
| srichter | I'll send a mail asking for code snippets that should still work or other information | 17:30 |
| srichter | should I send the mail beyond zope3-users and zope3-dev? | 17:31 |
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| J1m | no | 17:31 |
| J1m | I wouldn't ask for code snippets. | 17:31 |
| J1m | I would ask some very high-level questions like: | 17:31 |
| J1m | - Is anyone using TTW views or adapters? Page folders? | 17:32 |
| J1m | - Has anyone written their own services? | 17:32 |
| J1m | 17:32 | |
| J1m | And then ask more focussed questions based on their answers. | 17:32 |
| srichter | ok | 17:33 |
| srichter | will do | 17:33 |
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| regebro | Hi all! Are there any way to get menuItems only defined with for="*"? | 18:05 |
| regebro | object=None gets everything, of course.... | 18:06 |
| J1m | what do you mean by "only" above. | 18:07 |
| regebro | I should say "get only menuItems" I guess. | 18:07 |
| regebro | I.e. I would like the menuItems that have "*" specified for interface. "Global" menuitems if you want. | 18:08 |
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| regebro | Hang on, I'm not sure I need it... | 18:13 |
| * regebro looks confused. | 18:13 | |
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| regebro | Nope, didn't need it, I got things backwards. Thanks anyway. | 18:22 |
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| Speedjet | hi everyone | 19:52 |
| Speedjet | anyone played with zsync/fssync? | 19:52 |
| Speedjet | I'm looking information if it could be back-ported to zope2... | 19:55 |
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| J1m | I'm sure it could be | 20:03 |
| J1m | There are some securuty issues with it | 20:04 |
| J1m | which is why we're not really using it in z3 yet. | 20:04 |
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