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| philiKON | ChickenBrain, i see you've found the right channel :) | 12:48 |
| philiKON | i was too late to see your post on #z3-base | 12:48 |
| ChickenBrain | thx :) | 12:49 |
| ChickenBrain | hmm, is there only this mailing list or is there a real newsserver? | 12:49 |
| philiKON | you can use gmane | 12:49 |
| philiKON | the email to news gateway | 12:49 |
| philiKON | gmane.org | 12:49 |
| ChickenBrain | thx | 12:50 |
| SteveA | what is #z3-base? | 12:50 |
| philiKON | SteveA, an irc channel where z3base developers hang out (http://codespeak.net/z3) | 12:51 |
| philiKON | z3base is the place where Five, sqlos, etc. are developed | 12:51 |
| SteveA | okay | 12:52 |
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| projekt01 | I there a way that we can run functional tests only if we include a specific configure.zcml? | 15:06 |
| projekt01 | E.g. a Skin | 15:06 |
| projekt01 | If we have a skin package in the src/zope/app and don't include the Skin configure.zcml, the functional tests are broken. | 15:08 |
| projekt01 | I would like to support a package with a configure.zcml.in but then I have problems with the tests. | 15:08 |
| * mgedmin also needs this | 15:09 | |
| philiKON | projekt01, why are functional tests broken? | 15:10 |
| philiKON | ah, because they require the loading of the skin config | 15:10 |
| mgedmin | actually, I have a slightly bigger mess | 15:10 |
| projekt01 | Yup | 15:10 |
| mgedmin | I have a package with zcml and tests | 15:10 |
| mgedmin | then I have a second package that overrides some views of the first package | 15:10 |
| philiKON | projekt01, isntead of having package-includes/BLA-configure.zcml, have a package-includes/BLA-ftesting.zcml | 15:11 |
| philiKON | that's already supported | 15:11 |
| mgedmin | if I include the zcml of the second package, some functional tests from the first package break | 15:11 |
| philiKON | mgedmin, hmm, that's a bigger mess indeed :) | 15:11 |
| philiKON | projekt01, look at ftesting.zcml; you'll see it first imports -meta.zcml and -configure.zcml files, then -ftesting.zcml from package-includes | 15:11 |
| projekt01 | philiKON, AH, right, thanks | 15:11 |
| projekt01 | mgedmin, I saw also a problem with the authentication, on one test I wasn't able to use the basic manager login (basic='mgr:mgrpw') | 15:13 |
| projekt01 | mgedmin, are you testing in the first package something, which get overriden from the override.zcml? Is there a way in ftesting.zcml to override the overriden part? | 15:18 |
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| DMHarden | Hi folks - first let me say that I'm enjoying learning Zope 3; much more responsive than Zope 2 and a lot clearer | 21:20 |
| DMHarden | I have hacked together an ODBC DA based off some CVS source I found on Google - srichter's :) | 21:21 |
| DMHarden | Would I be correct in assuming that eGenix is being left to provide a full blown Zope 3 implementation (if they choose to do so)? | 21:22 |
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| philiKON | DMHarden, there's no reason to leave anything to anyone | 21:46 |
| philiKON | :) | 21:46 |
| philiKON | if you manage to get the odbcda working, that'd be awesome | 21:47 |
| philiKON | all this code hasn't been touched for months (years probably now) | 21:47 |
| DMHarden | playing at the moment actually - based on srichter's CVS from 2003 | 21:49 |
| philiKON | ic | 21:50 |
| philiKON | well, if you think you're producing anything valuable, consider becoming a contributor and checking it into our SVN repository | 21:50 |
| philiKON | http://dev.zope.org for more info | 21:50 |
| DMHarden | ok | 21:51 |
| DMHarden | philiKON - do you think Zope 3 is mature enough to use for beta / close to production websites? | 21:52 |
| philiKON | sure | 21:56 |
| philiKON | zope x3.0 is used in a few production sites | 21:56 |
| DMHarden | I am fairly proficient in Zope 2 - Zope 3 is COMPLETELY different! :) | 21:57 |
| philiKON | yes | 21:57 |
| DMHarden | but in a good way | 21:57 |
| philiKON | it's a completely different new piece of software | 21:57 |
| philiKON | yes, in a good way :) | 21:57 |
| philiKON | hence, the "X" | 21:57 |
| DMHarden | hehe | 21:57 |
| philiKON | (not hence good way, but hence different) | 21:58 |
| Damascene | philiKON: did they add in their own session product if they are using x3.0? | 21:59 |
| philiKON | i don't know | 22:04 |
| philiKON | why | 22:04 |
| philiKON | not everybody needs sessions | 22:04 |
| DMHarden | so Zope X3 does not have a concept of sessions like Zope 2 (or close) - forgive me if that is a dumb question! | 22:07 |
| philiKON | well, i wouldn't say concept | 22:09 |
| philiKON | it's true that it doesn't have any builtin support for sessions | 22:10 |
| DMHarden | so can I get to sessions in any way? | 22:10 |
| philiKON | (though the zope.app.session package from the trunk could probably easily be backported) | 22:10 |
| philiKON | as i said, you can try backporting zope.app.session from the trunk | 22:10 |
| philiKON | it probably doesn't rely too much on any new features | 22:11 |
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| DMHarden | I'm not familiar with SVN terms - does trunk = TIP (not X3 label?) | 22:11 |
| DMHarden | sorry :P | 22:11 |
| philiKON | what's TIP? | 22:12 |
| philiKON | trunk means the currently developed version | 22:12 |
| philiKON | i.e. the thing that'll become x3.1 | 22:12 |
| DMHarden | I work in PVCS - or maybe it's the company I work for's terminology | 22:14 |
| DMHarden | TIP to me means the cutting edge of development - sounds like TRUNK to me! | 22:14 |
| philiKON | yup | 22:15 |
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| DMHarden | ok - it was a struggle but I got Zope 3 to talk ODBC :) | 22:57 |
| DMHarden | however there is a section of __init__.py in zope.app.rdb which required a change in order to communicate properly with mxODBC | 22:58 |
| DMHarden | this is the first time I've used this channel so can I talk about stuff here or raise a discussion / point it out elsewhere - some other process? | 22:59 |
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| srichter | DMHarden: for quick questions, this channel is good; if noone responds or the problem runs deeper, we use the mailing list | 23:07 |
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| DMHarden_ | sorry - machine crashed... does anyone have any suggestions on how I should raise the issue I encountered? | 23:14 |
| srichter | DMHarden: for quick questions, this channel is good; if noone responds or the problem runs deeper, we use the mailing list | 23:22 |
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| DMHarden_ | Thanks Stephan - I will post my findings to the mailing list... hopefully with the feedback I can contribute an updated version of your ODBC DA :) | 23:25 |
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