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| srichter | hazmat: do you know any? | 03:20 |
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| VladDrac | philikon around? | 12:36 |
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| * VladDrac 's trying to do a bit of skin customization as described in phil's book | 13:16 | |
| VladDrac | now I have a broken contents.html | 13:16 |
| VladDrac | (it displays a table with 'content thingy' | 13:19 |
| VladDrac | ah, forgot the body slot | 13:23 |
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| VladDrac | I wonder why I explicitly have to redefine an empty body slot | 13:25 |
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| philiKON | VladDrac, i'm here now | 14:02 |
| philiKON | you have to re-define every slot when re-using a macro, unfortunately | 14:03 |
| MacYET | morninkon | 14:03 |
| VladDrac | phil: I mailed you a smal error in your book (and some remarks in general yesterday) | 14:05 |
| philiKON | yes, i saw that. thank you | 14:05 |
| VladDrac | phil: but the page macro has alot more slots that are not redefined, correct? | 14:05 |
| philiKON | yes | 14:06 |
| philiKON | i left them out for brevity | 14:06 |
| VladDrac | ok | 14:06 |
| VladDrac | then everything makes sense again | 14:06 |
| philiKON | rotterdam is really not the ideal basis for skin customization | 14:07 |
| jpfarias|work | [philiKON] hey, can you tell me more about web development with zope on filesystem | 14:09 |
| jpfarias|work | and not on web forms | 14:09 |
| jpfarias|work | ? | 14:09 |
| jpfarias|work | is there some good tutorial for that? | 14:09 |
| philiKON | yes | 14:09 |
| philiKON | the programmer tutorial | 14:09 |
| philiKON | http://www.zope.org/Zope3/ProgrammerTutorial | 14:10 |
| jpfarias|work | about the buddy? | 14:10 |
| philiKON | yes | 14:10 |
| jpfarias|work | cool | 14:10 |
| jpfarias|work | is there some other showing how to use relational databases? | 14:10 |
| philiKON | no, unfortunately not | 14:11 |
| jpfarias|work | and the ZODB? | 14:11 |
| philiKON | but look at http://codespeak.net/z3/sqlos | 14:11 |
| philiKON | the programmer tutorial explains the zodb | 14:11 |
| jpfarias|work | nice | 14:11 |
| philiKON | you might not notice because using the zodb is pretty much transparent | 14:11 |
| jpfarias|work | I would like to see some database aware tutorial | 14:12 |
| jpfarias|work | like for an e-commerce or something like that | 14:12 |
| philiKON | well, sorry, there isn't... but you could write one :) | 14:12 |
| jpfarias|work | =P | 14:12 |
| philiKON | if you're looking for a more in-depth documentation, see http://worldcookery.com | 14:13 |
| jpfarias|work | first I need to learn zope | 14:13 |
| jpfarias|work | =D | 14:13 |
| philiKON | it has a whole chapter about the zodb | 14:15 |
| VladDrac | drop the color crap, please | 14:16 |
| jpfarias|work | what's the src dir the programmer tutorial talks about? | 14:25 |
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| philiKON | jpfarias|work, it talks about a checkout | 14:25 |
| jpfarias|work | I have no src dir on my zope instance tree? | 14:25 |
| jpfarias|work | I have no src dir on my zope instance tree... | 14:25 |
| philiKON | jpfarias|work, right, in an instance, you have lib/python | 14:25 |
| jpfarias|work | hmm, ok | 14:26 |
| jpfarias|work | can I create the package direct there? | 14:26 |
| philiKON | yes | 14:26 |
| jpfarias|work | cool | 14:26 |
| jpfarias|work | another question | 14:26 |
| jpfarias|work | should I restart zope every time I change things? | 14:27 |
| philiKON | yup | 14:28 |
| philiKON | well, page templates you can change w/o restarting zope | 14:28 |
| jpfarias|work | I see... I need a restart only when I change the source of some package, right? | 14:28 |
| philiKON | and the zcml configuration | 14:29 |
| jpfarias|work | ok | 14:29 |
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| VladDrac | phil: al zpt's always reloaded? Plone/CMF only does this in debug mode | 15:26 |
| philiKON | this is not zope2 :) | 15:26 |
| VladDrac | I know :) | 15:26 |
| philiKON | z3 doesn't have a debug mode | 15:27 |
| VladDrac | is a skin a utility that implements ISkin? | 15:27 |
| VladDrac | if I want to change the skin by default (without override.zcml), can I register my skin as a utility? | 15:27 |
| philiKON | in X3.0, skins are managed by the presentation service | 15:28 |
| philiKON | as well as skin layers | 15:28 |
| philiKON | they're not utilities | 15:28 |
| philiKON | in 3.1 and onwards, skins and layers are interfaces | 15:28 |
| philiKON | extending IBrowserRequest | 15:29 |
| VladDrac | ok, I'm trying to understand what skin = zope.component.getUtility(ISkin, 'Debug') does | 15:29 |
| philiKON | and the request is made to provide a certain skin interface | 15:29 |
| philiKON | VladDrac, that's code from the trunk | 15:30 |
| philiKON | the skin interfaces are also registered as utilities | 15:30 |
| philiKON | utilities providing ISkin (which is an interface extending IInterface) | 15:30 |
| philiKON | sort of like IContentType | 15:31 |
| VladDrac | but what kind of utility do you end up with? What utility implements this interface? | 15:33 |
| VladDrac | (I'm actually just trying to switch skins in my site in stead of globally) | 15:34 |
| philiKON | you end up with an interface | 15:34 |
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| VladDrac | anyway, any hints on how I can force a skin to be used within my site? | 16:04 |
| philiKON | VladDrac, are you using trunk or x3.0? | 16:05 |
| VladDrac | trunk | 16:05 |
| philiKON | so, write a traversal adapter that does alsoProvides(request, IMySkinInterface) for your site | 16:06 |
| VladDrac | hmm | 16:07 |
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| VladDrac | ok | 16:24 |
| VladDrac | time to test | 16:24 |
| VladDrac | wonder if it'll work :) | 16:24 |
| srichter | actually this is not the best way | 16:25 |
| srichter | there is an API function for this | 16:25 |
| philiKON | ah, true | 16:25 |
| philiKON | setSkin or somethign, right? | 16:25 |
| srichter | because you have to remove the old skin from the request as well | 16:25 |
| srichter | yep | 16:25 |
| philiKON | is this in zapi? | 16:25 |
| philiKON | (if not, it maybe should be) | 16:25 |
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| srichter | not sure | 16:25 |
| VladDrac | I'm using applySkin | 16:25 |
| srichter | I think it is in zope.app.publisher.browser | 16:25 |
| philiKON | right, that's the one | 16:25 |
| VladDrac | but I still have to 'hook' it somewhere in the traversing | 16:25 |
| philiKON | right, in a traversal adapter | 16:26 |
| VladDrac | ITraversable? | 16:26 |
| philiKON | yup | 16:26 |
| MacYET | re | 16:26 |
| philiKON | actually | 16:27 |
| philiKON | there's a browser traverser too i think | 16:27 |
| VladDrac | My ITraversable.traverse doesn't work (not called) | 16:28 |
| philiKON | how did you register it? | 16:29 |
| VladDrac | <adapter | 16:29 |
| VladDrac | for=".interfaces.ICubicPortal" | 16:29 |
| VladDrac | provides="zope.app.traversing.interfaces.ITraversable" | 16:29 |
| VladDrac | factory=".traversable.SkinChanger" | 16:29 |
| VladDrac | /> | 16:29 |
| VladDrac | (yeah naming needs work :) | 16:30 |
| philiKON | actually, ITraversable is the wrong interface | 16:30 |
| philiKON | i just noticed | 16:30 |
| philiKON | it's not even about the request | 16:30 |
| philiKON | i think zope.publisher.interfaces.browser.IBrowserPublisher is the right one | 16:31 |
| philiKON | checking... | 16:31 |
| philiKON | VladDrac, look at zwiki | 16:32 |
| philiKON | VladDrac, zwiki.traversal | 16:33 |
| VladDrac | ah ok good tip | 16:33 |
| philiKON | VladDrac, you only want the WikiPageTraverser | 16:33 |
| philiKON | the first class | 16:33 |
| philiKON | the thing is registered for the browser request in zwiki.browser/configure.zcml | 16:34 |
| VladDrac | hmmm | 16:51 |
| VladDrac | still not called (adapter doesn't get created either) | 16:51 |
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| VladDrac | it has the adapter registered as a view | 16:56 |
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| VladDrac | hmmm | 17:10 |
| philiKON | VladDrac, views == adapters | 17:10 |
| VladDrac | I know | 17:12 |
| VladDrac | my adapter only works for standard traversal, not when traversing @@views | 17:13 |
| philiKON | you could also write your own ++view++ traversal namespace adapter | 17:14 |
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| VladDrac | hurray! | 17:27 |
| VladDrac | long live IBeforeTraverseEvent :) | 17:27 |
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| VladDrac | mexikon == philikon? | 17:34 |
| VladDrac | anyway in case you missed it, subscribing to IBeforeTraverseEvent and setting the skin from there seems to work well | 17:35 |
| MacYET | chilikon: i checked your i18n stuff in five | 17:35 |
| MacYET | too z3-ish :) | 17:35 |
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| mexiKON | VladDrac, ah, cool. i think that event is new | 17:57 |
| srichter | VladDrac: yeah, this is what I did in my skin preference demo as well | 17:57 |
| mexiKON | MacYET, not sure what you mean by that. after all, i *am* using z3's i18n facilities | 17:58 |
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| MacYET | it depends on too much z3 apis ...just too much for us:-) we are trying to reduce the number of modules and not to increase them :) | 18:00 |
| mexiKON | well, the code in that branch exercise the minimal i18n stuff zope3 has | 18:01 |
| mexiKON | if that is too much z3 api for you, i don't know what to say | 18:02 |
| mexiKON | i don't think you're gonna find something as simple as | 18:02 |
| mexiKON | util = zapi.queryUtility(ITranslationDomain, domain) | 18:02 |
| mexiKON | anywhere else | 18:02 |
| MacYET | i don't need z3 interfaces :) | 18:04 |
| MacYET | toomuch overhead | 18:04 |
| srichter | and why are you using five then? :-) | 18:05 |
| MacYET | srichter: that's another project :) | 18:05 |
| srichter | oh, I see! :-) | 18:05 |
| mexiKON | ok, if you want i18n w/o interfaces, use PTS or something. | 18:05 |
| srichter | localizer.... | 18:06 |
| MacYET | wrote my own thing already :9 | 18:07 |
| mexiKON | oh well, if that suits you | 18:08 |
| MacYET | one module to load.. | 18:10 |
| MacYET | instead of 20 or so | 18:10 |
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