| MJ | The Gadfly codebase is dead, right? | 00:22 |
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| MJ | Meaning I can change the exception raising style there too without having to send a patch upstream... | 00:23 |
| MJ | (in which case I won't bother) | 00:23 |
| benji_york | MJ, why are we touching dead code? | 00:25 |
| MJ | Because my editor now mostly lists gadfly files.. | 00:26 |
| MJ | And I am pernicity and picky | 00:26 |
| MJ | And it turns out it ain't dead, Jim | 00:27 |
| MJ | Not as we know it anyway. There is a SF GadflyB5 project | 00:27 |
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| * MJ makes an executive decision not to touch Gadfly | 00:28 | |
| MJ | benji_york: Also, I was feeling kinda sentimental about Gadfly. | 00:29 |
| MJ | It has been around for so long, like a smelly ole' dog.. | 00:29 |
| MJ | one last testrun.. | 00:30 |
| MJ | and then the whole of src/zope will use The One And Only raise exception style. | 00:30 |
| MJ | Minus Gadfly, that is. | 00:31 |
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| MJ | Hold on, it's going in.. | 00:39 |
| J1m | Right, I wouldn't worry about gadfly updates. | 00:41 |
| J1m | or updating it. :) | 00:41 |
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| MJ | I'll stay well enough away | 00:52 |
| MJ | Bedtime anyway | 00:52 |
| MJ | So src/zope has been updated | 00:52 |
| MJ | And so has the trunk version of zope.testing/src/zope/testing | 00:53 |
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| sashav | does the tcpwatch recording and doctest generation work for zope 2.8.1? | 10:35 |
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| projekt01 | J1m, ayt? | 17:41 |
| J1m | yup | 17:43 |
| projekt01 | Do you have time for a wfmc question? | 17:44 |
| J1m | I'll make time for you. :) | 17:44 |
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| projekt01 | nice | 17:44 |
| projekt01 | How did you implement the participants in your project? | 17:44 |
| projekt01 | Whould a different security policy be a bad idea? | 17:45 |
| J1m | In our project participants were very simple components that identified users and their task lists. | 17:47 |
| srichter | yep, same for us | 17:47 |
| projekt01 | Do you use views for applications? | 17:47 |
| srichter | participants are merely wrapper objects around the principal with some high-level API functions | 17:47 |
| J1m | For example, in a workflow, we defined a "publishers" role and we provided a participant that found the publisher's group task list. | 17:47 |
| J1m | I dodn | 17:48 |
| J1m | I didn't find a different secrity policy necessary for workflow. | 17:48 |
| projekt01 | Yeah, I know this concepts, but let me explain a use case first. | 17:48 |
| projekt01 | ... | 17:48 |
| J1m | We did use a different security policy that we plan to release. | 17:49 |
| projekt01 | We have participants and applications/workitems.. | 17:49 |
| projekt01 | This workitems have views and should be accissible for participants... | 17:49 |
| projekt01 | Now we have to add permission and perhaps done via the application... | 17:49 |
| projekt01 | Now we put the persmission for principals or groups... | 17:50 |
| projekt01 | This isn't nice because we have defined the participants for this part, but permissions are use for principals. | 17:50 |
| J1m | Yes, we do this with subscribers to workflow events. | 17:50 |
| J1m | It's the job of the participant workflow component to map wf process participants to principals directly or (in our case) indirectly. | 17:52 |
| srichter | I agree :-) | 17:53 |
| projekt01 | Yes, I see, but how is the relation for a permission on a view and a participant? | 17:53 |
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| projekt01 | I think on one side you use a mapping participant to principal and on the other side you set the permission directly for principals | 17:54 |
| projekt01 | I think of a pattern where we set permission or roles for participants. | 17:54 |
| projekt01 | Whould this be a bad Idea? | 17:55 |
| J1m | I don't see the pattern. It depend on the application. | 18:00 |
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| projekt01 | Do you use workitem/application views in our implementation? | 18:04 |
| projekt01 | If so, how do you register a view and it's zmi_views menu for a participant on workitem? | 18:04 |
| projekt01 | How do you control this views and make sure the menu get shown if needed? | 18:05 |
| J1m | We have content components like tasks lists and tasks. We manage permissions for these just like with any other Zope content. There's nothing magic about workflow. | 18:06 |
| J1m | Workflow simply provides additional control. | 18:07 |
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| projekt01 | Can you also access or edit the controlled object or do you only access the controlled object via tasks/workitems? | 18:09 |
| srichter | We use adapters to get to the worklists, which is a bit different than standard CMS-based workflows | 18:10 |
| srichter | projekt01: not every workflow controls a particular object | 18:10 |
| srichter | however, in SchoolTool we only allow the workitems to do certain tasks and in some other scenarios you can also change things manually | 18:11 |
| srichter | it really depends on what you want/need | 18:11 |
| projekt01 | yes, I see. Sorry, about that. I speak about document centric workflow implementation and not about a process oriented implementation | 18:11 |
| * J1m investigates svn.zope.org breakage | 18:12 | |
| projekt01 | I our use case the object is the only part where we can access, there is no need to show a worklist. | 18:12 |
| * J1m can't wait for a foundation to take over everything.zope.org. :) | 18:12 | |
| srichter | LOL | 18:12 |
| srichter | is Fred around? | 18:13 |
| benji_york | not presently, but should be here (in the office) in a while | 18:13 |
| benji_york | oops, nope he's not | 18:13 |
| benji_york | :) | 18:13 |
| benji_york | I can IM him and ask him to come to IRC | 18:14 |
| J1m | just did | 18:14 |
| projekt01 | Thanks J1m and srichter, I have to go to the pool and drink another margaritha. See you next week. | 18:14 |
| srichter | benji_york: I can do that too | 18:14 |
| benji_york | :) | 18:14 |
| srichter | I have his AIM name | 18:14 |
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| fdrake | srichter, you there? | 18:39 |
| srichter | yeah | 18:42 |
| srichter | fdrake: pong | 18:42 |
| fdrake | appearantly you missed the question i sent via AIM before you logged off | 18:42 |
| fdrake | the ZConfig stuff isn't merged to the zpkg trunk yet | 18:42 |
| srichter | oh, I thought I saw a merge this morning | 18:43 |
| fdrake | i'm making the changes needed in the projects to support that version without requiring additional copies of zpkg | 18:43 |
| srichter | ok then | 18:43 |
| fdrake | it won't be long | 18:43 |
| srichter | ok | 18:43 |
| srichter | I could work with the branch too, of course, right? | 18:43 |
| fdrake | could, yes | 18:44 |
| srichter | fdrake: also, did you see my zpkg ML post? | 18:44 |
| fdrake | and then "svn switch" once I've merged into the trunk | 18:44 |
| fdrake | yes | 18:44 |
| fdrake | will respond once I've got this merge done :-) | 18:44 |
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| srichter | ok, cool | 18:46 |
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| fdrake | The zpkg stuff now uses ZConfig for configuration. The ZODB and Zope3 trunks have grown buildsupport/ directories that contain needed support code used by the setup.py scripts. | 20:10 |
| fdrake | I'll be watching the zope3-dev list and the collector for problem reports related to this. | 20:11 |
| fdrake | You might want to watch out for *.OLD directories from svn after updating, though. | 20:12 |
| fdrake | (Just 'cause they're annoying, and you might get one in the top-level directory of the checkout, where an external has been removed.) | 20:12 |
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| srichter | fdrake: I got the exclude section implemented | 20:16 |
| srichter | fdrake: do I need to document this anywhere? | 20:16 |
| fdrake | yes :-) | 20:16 |
| fdrake | doc/zpkg.txt | 20:16 |
| srichter | ok | 20:16 |
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| philiKON | fdrake, srichter, hard to follow what's happening in checkouts these days :). what's the difference between Zope3/zpkgsupport and Zope3/buildsupport/zpkgsupport ? | 20:17 |
| fdrake | Zope3/zpkgsupport should disappear | 20:18 |
| philiKON | ok | 20:18 |
| fdrake | you likely will need to rm -r the .OLD directory svn will create | 20:18 |
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| baldtrol | hi all... hope i'm asking in the right channel, and if not, i'll happily redirect elsewhere, but after googling the zope3-dev chatlogs are the only ones that run close to answering what i'm trying to figure out. i'm working with authentication in zope3.1... i've basically just tacked on some functionality to principalfolder, but that's not really the issue... with my new principal and container classes, i can add principals, and if i throw debugging | 20:22 |
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| srichter | baldtrol: your message was too long | 20:25 |
| baldtrol | argh, i'm sorry. | 20:25 |
| baldtrol | hi all... hope i'm asking in the right channel, and if not, i'll happily redirect elsewhere, but after googling the zope3-dev chatlogs are the only ones that run close to answering what i'm trying to figure out. i'm working with authentication in zope3.1 | 20:25 |
| baldtrol | i've basically just tacked on some functionality to principalfolder, but that's not really the issue... with my new principal and container classes, i can add principals, and even log in with them over xmlrpc | 20:26 |
| baldtrol | zapi.getUtility(IAuthentication) or a IAuthentication(self.context) (looping over principal sources returned, per philiKON's example in his excellent book) both do show my logins as keys... but from my login page, principalregistry never seems to find my new user | 20:26 |
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| srichter | are you sure all of your objects have a __parent__? | 20:27 |
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| * SteveA thinks __parent__ should not be a core concept | 20:28 | |
| * SteveA randomly interjected | 20:28 | |
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| baldtrol | hmm. i don't set __parent__ explicitly, but then again, the principal class i'm building doesn't do anything other than hand it back to InternalPrincipal (i just created a wrapper class so i could set up different zcml configs against it without throwing a conflict) | 20:29 |
| srichter | tis was just a random guess | 20:30 |
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| baldtrol | a better one than i have at this point ;) | 20:31 |
| srichter | fdrake: did you forget to check in zpkgtools.zpkgsetup.setup? | 20:33 |
| fdrake | why, what's wrong? | 20:33 |
| srichter | when I unpack my ST distro, it tells me: | 20:34 |
| srichter | /usr/bin/python install.py -q build | 20:34 |
| srichter | Traceback (most recent call last): | 20:34 |
| srichter | File "install.py", line 22, in ? | 20:34 |
| srichter | import zpkgsetup.setup | 20:34 |
| srichter | ImportError: No module named zpkgsetup.setup | 20:34 |
| fdrake | does the distro include Support/zpkgsetup/setup.py? | 20:35 |
| srichter | hold on | 20:35 |
| srichter | no | 20:35 |
| fdrake | i'll look into it now | 20:36 |
| srichter | (note that this is ST, so I am not sure it will also happen in Zope 3, since I have not changed to the new pattern of using the buildsupport dir | 20:37 |
| fdrake | that shouldn't matter much, if at all | 20:37 |
| srichter | fdrake: there is a setup.py in Support/ | 20:37 |
| srichter | ok | 20:37 |
| fdrake | yes; that's different :-) | 20:37 |
| srichter | ok | 20:38 |
| ymmit | srichter: I need to cut a release of ZODB 3.5 final for the Zope3 3.1 final release (should have been done before, but I wasn't conscious enough ;-) of Zope 3 release plans). When do you expect to make Zope3 3.1 final? | 20:38 |
| srichter | well, at least my <exclude> section seems to work | 20:38 |
| srichter | ymmit: I think I will do it next week | 20:39 |
| ymmit | srichter: good! that should be plenty of time for what I need to do. | 20:39 |
| srichter | cool | 20:40 |
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| ymmit | srichter: Just to make sure, this is Zope3/branches/Zope-3.1 (in SVN), right? | 20:40 |
| srichter | yes | 20:41 |
| fdrake | srichter, the support code loading is fudged | 20:42 |
| fdrake | i'll dig into this an add a test case. | 20:43 |
| srichter | ok | 20:43 |
| efge | SteveA: agreed, __parent__ is an implementation detail of the default containment relationship model | 20:43 |
| srichter | fdrake: btw, Zope 3 has the same issue | 20:43 |
| SteveA | efge: i'd go further and say that the containment relationship shouldn't be core. but, i'm an extremist. | 20:44 |
| efge | :) | 20:44 |
| fdrake | yeah, i reproduced there | 20:44 |
| fdrake | this looks like its only a problem for distros, not the builds in the checkouts | 20:45 |
| srichter | well, for checkout builds my zpkgsetup is not finding ZConfig | 20:46 |
| fdrake | Zope 3, or ST? | 20:46 |
| srichter | so I will have to switch to the buildsupport | 20:46 |
| srichter | ST | 20:46 |
| fdrake | you just need to make sure ZConfig is available | 20:46 |
| fdrake | buildsupport/ gave me a place to have all that outside the top-level directory | 20:47 |
| srichter | yeah, easier said than done :-) | 20:47 |
| fdrake | how you do it is up to you :-) | 20:47 |
| srichter | he he | 20:47 |
| srichter | I follow Zope 3's suit :-) | 20:47 |
| fdrake | works for me! | 20:47 |
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| srichter | I wanted to move the buildsupport somewhere else anyways | 20:47 |
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| srichter | fdrake: ok, ST builds from the checkout now too again | 20:57 |
| fdrake | srichter, try updating zpkg | 21:01 |
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| fdrake | J1m, can we get commit messages from the zpkgtools project in SVN to go to the zpkg mailing list as well (zpg at zope.org)? | 21:02 |
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| srichter | fdrake: seems to work | 21:05 |
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| srichter | fdrake: please make sure that my ZConfig code is sane | 21:05 |
| fdrake | i'll take a look | 21:06 |
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| fdrake | (sheesh, I think I need to sleep tonight...) | 21:07 |
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| fdrake | srichter, it looks better now | 21:28 |
| srichter | fdrake: thanks | 21:28 |
| srichter | fdrake: so sections always contain mappings? | 21:28 |
| srichter | there is no concept of a list, right? | 21:28 |
| fdrake | no; that's a function of <key name="+"> | 21:29 |
| fdrake | if you just have named keys, you get attributes on the section object | 21:29 |
| srichter | I see | 21:29 |
| fdrake | have you read the docs? | 21:30 |
| fdrake | <key name="+"> is a pretty obscure case, mostly learned by copying something I've done. ;-) | 21:30 |
| srichter | I have read the docs a long time ago | 21:32 |
| srichter | but I am better with doing things | 21:32 |
| srichter | I was not that far off :-) | 21:32 |
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| srichter | ok, time for me to go | 21:56 |
| srichter | J1m: I have not reached Dylan today, but left him a message with my arrival gate; if he calls you I am waiting in the area where passengers leave the security zone | 21:57 |
| srichter | see ya in a couple hours | 21:57 |
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| J1m | ok | 22:13 |
| fdrake | J1m, can we get commit messages from the zpkgtools project in SVN to go to the zpkg mailing list as well (zpg at zope.org)? | 22:16 |
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| J1m | yes | 22:19 |
| fdrake | thanks! | 22:20 |
| fdrake | ah; i fat-finger the address | 22:20 |
| fdrake | it should be zpkg at zope.org | 22:20 |
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| benji_york | hazmat, do I have to? :) | 23:51 |
| hazmat | ;-) | 23:51 |
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