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| srichter | fdrake: no, I have none | 00:28 |
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| fdrake | srichter: someone else definately needs to have Subversion http: and https: supported | 00:32 |
| fdrake | we'll see if that's trivial | 00:32 |
| srichter | fdrake: yeah, we need http:// but jinty just changed it to it today and it seemed to work | 00:34 |
| srichter | since the URL is really available already | 00:34 |
| fdrake | yeah; chatting w/ him via email now | 00:35 |
| fdrake | he set up svn+ssh? | 00:35 |
| fdrake | not sure what you mean | 00:35 |
| srichter | ok, if you are chatting with him, then we are all set | 00:35 |
| srichter | he really takes care of releases; I just did the initial setup | 00:36 |
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| fdrake | cool | 00:36 |
| projekt01 | srichter, I saw your bugfix. What do you think could run into this error? (object ids)? | 00:36 |
| srichter | projekt01: no, I think Bjorn was right | 00:37 |
| srichter | projekt01: your body had an encoded latin-1 character and the base URL was a unicde | 00:37 |
| srichter | this causes this error | 00:38 |
| srichter | I have added a test for this use case | 00:38 |
| projekt01 | but this means that the same view on different objects will run into this error. right? | 00:39 |
| projekt01 | In my case the same view is only broken viewing on one object. Other objects with the same view are OK. And after moving the Data.sf to another server, the same view on the same object works. | 00:43 |
| projekt01 | I'm really confused. It smells like a runtime error to me. But I have no idea what is responsible for running into this only sometimes. | 00:45 |
| projekt01 | Normal a encoding problem happens till you fix them in a template or somewhere and not during a server restart. | 00:47 |
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| srichter | huh? | 00:51 |
| srichter | this is a very generic fix | 00:51 |
| srichter | for a particular object you might have had some latin-1 character in the body | 00:52 |
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| projekt01 | srichter, Ok, I will try to reproduce the error again and see how I can trace down the issue before I will use the fix. | 00:55 |
| projekt01 | srichter, many thanks for the fix | 00:56 |
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| SteveA | fdrake: gekki | 18:33 |
| SteveA | um, hello | 18:33 |
| SteveA | fdrake: what's a "defer" TALES expression? | 18:33 |
| fdrake | i don't remember :-) | 18:37 |
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| fdrake | i think it defers the call as long as possible, but I'm not sure | 18:37 |
| fdrake | i doubt I've ever used it myself | 18:37 |
| SteveA | also, i'm thinking about adding a different behaviour to 'structure' | 18:37 |
| SteveA | well, defer: isn't in the spec | 18:38 |
| SteveA | nor documented anywhere i can find | 18:38 |
| fdrake | it wasn't part of the original implementation, but was added when things were still pretty young | 18:39 |
| SteveA | anyway, i'm thinking of making a change in my own use of TALES so that an expression is automatically escaped unless 'structure' is given, or unless the string object is of the type structured() | 18:39 |
| fdrake | it might be a holdover from Zope 2 | 18:39 |
| SteveA | this would allow me to make some code take responsibility for escaping text, or not doing so, without needing to change templates | 18:40 |
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| fdrake | guess i'm confused; I thought text insertions (non-structure) were always escaped on insertion | 18:41 |
| fdrake | maybe something changed when I wasn't looking :-) | 18:41 |
| SteveA | they are. i want them not to be, if the code says "i'm taking responsibility for this" | 18:41 |
| SteveA | right now, the responsibility has to be co-ordinated | 18:41 |
| SteveA | between a particular page template, and the code it is meant to present | 18:41 |
| fdrake | ah; you want to have structure insertions for text? | 18:41 |
| SteveA | i'm not sure what you mean, but if it's what i'm thinking of then yes | 18:42 |
| SteveA | if not, probably not ;-) | 18:42 |
| fdrake | welcome to tautology central :-) | 18:42 |
| SteveA | imagine a type structured() | 18:42 |
| SteveA | that extends unicode, where i can construct one with structured('here is some <b>%s</b> stuff', self.stuff) | 18:43 |
| SteveA | so, structured's constructor would ensure self.stuff is escaped | 18:43 |
| SteveA | while allowing other text not to be | 18:43 |
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| SteveA | the tales stuff would realize that by returning a 'structured' rather than a unicode, the code knows what it is doing | 18:44 |
| SteveA | in other words, the code is assuming responsibility for correctly escaping the text | 18:44 |
| fdrake | so the change is really to handle check for the structured type before insertion, and skipping the extra escaping? | 18:45 |
| SteveA | yes | 18:45 |
| fdrake | this seems pretty reasonable to me, but I don't see when it would really change out from under a template | 18:46 |
| SteveA | in the future, there would be three states for a tales expression: "needs escaping", "structured goddamit" and "whatever" | 18:46 |
| SteveA | i have a case now where i have an object being displayed by a template | 18:46 |
| SteveA | and its obj.text (or obj/text if you prefer) can currently be html quoted okay | 18:47 |
| SteveA | but now, there's a requirement to put markup in there sometimes | 18:47 |
| SteveA | i don't want to go through the templates adding 'structure' in these places | 18:47 |
| SteveA | i'd rather have a way to say "the code knows how to escape this" | 18:47 |
| fdrake | why not say structure and have the code always escape? | 18:48 |
| fdrake | that still keeps the knowledge of what needs to be done in the code, and avoids implicit behavior | 18:48 |
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| SteveA | i hate seeing "structure" in page templates | 18:50 |
| SteveA | i'd much prefer having code be able to take responsibility for whether it is escaping or being naive | 18:51 |
| SteveA | i don't think template authors should have to co-ordinate this stuff with software developers | 18:51 |
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| fdrake | perhaps | 18:54 |
| SteveA | totally separate issue -- PathAdapters in Zope3. i'd really like to get hold of CONTEXTS for the page template from a path adapter. | 18:55 |
| fdrake | but for at least some structures, it's really important to know that what's coming back is structure (other times its less so) | 18:55 |
| SteveA | right now, i have various path adapters for dict, so I can use CONTEXTS/foo:bar in a page template | 18:55 |
| SteveA | well, only for those structures that in your xml schema or in html don't allow any elements inside them | 18:56 |
| SteveA | but that's kind of a special case | 18:56 |
| SteveA | i suppose it would make string:.... confusing | 18:57 |
| SteveA | if you insert structure there where it isn't expected | 18:57 |
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| fdrake | i was thinking of the case when the structure is something "bigger" than inline text styling stuff | 18:58 |
| fdrake | if you're expecting "random blob of structured content", there's no pretending it might be simple text | 18:59 |
| SteveA | sure. but i don't see why that needs to be declared specially in the page template. seems that the "structure" concept gets co-ordinated in two places where it needs be only in one. | 19:00 |
| fdrake | perhaps so; I don't have any strong objection to such a thing, I'm trying to gauge how important it is to make a change | 19:02 |
| fdrake | it's nice if things like ZPT don't change too much :-) | 19:02 |
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| SteveA | of course | 19:05 |
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| benji_york | hey, srichter, I am about to announce the av embarrassingailability of the buildout and wanted to know if you successfully checked it out and ran it before embarrassing myself :) | 21:10 |
| benji_york | wow, that was a J1m-quality typeo! :) | 21:11 |
| fdrake | Jim would have been much more subtle. :-) | 21:15 |
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| roym | Is it reasonable to think of a <browser:page> declaration as exactly equivalent to the corresponding <zope:view> declaration narrowed to work with IBrowserRequest? | 21:49 |
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| SteveA | kind of | 21:50 |
| SteveA | browser:page does a few other things to the view class | 21:50 |
| SteveA | but basically, that's the idea | 21:50 |
| roym | SteveA - thanks | 21:51 |
| roym | I am struggling with a design problem - I have a container (folder) of | 21:51 |
| roym | objects, and I want to simultaneously display the next/prev (iterator) | 21:51 |
| roym | buttons, and allow users to edit the fields of the object itself. Is | 21:51 |
| roym | this a pattern that has been tackled elsewhere? | 21:51 |
| SteveA | i'm more of a low level zope3 guy -- i don't mess with the ZMI stuff. | 21:52 |
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