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| baldtrol | srichter: is the workflow addon package likely to work with 3.1? throws me an attribute error when it's trying to create a new process instance, didn't know which end i should start troubleshooting. | 00:46 |
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| baldtrol | my code or the workflow code :) | 00:46 |
| srichter | I ahve no clue how much of the workflow code works with 3.1 | 00:48 |
| srichter | but it si probably broken | 00:48 |
| baldtrol | ok cool. no problem. i may hack at it. looks like it's just localsitemanager not having a getUtility method. thanks :) | 00:49 |
| srichter | please do | 00:50 |
| srichter | check in any fixes you have | 00:50 |
| baldtrol | not an official contributor, but if i can figure out what's wrong, i'll let you know, and send you what i get | 00:52 |
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| baldtrol | does anyone know if a zope3.0 usage like "sm = zapi.getServices(self); sm.resolve(name) " would be similar to zope.app.component's "resolve(name)"? | 01:12 |
| baldtrol | it seems that way to me, just because most getService from z3.0 stuff seems to be in zope.app.component now... | 01:12 |
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| baldtrol | srichter: other than the tests, workflow should be fixed. seemed like the only changes necessary were to move from getService(Utilities) to getUtility | 01:30 |
| srichter | baldtrol: awesome | 01:31 |
| baldtrol | making the changes to the tests will take me a little more time. i'll look into it tomorrow... i'll post it up to my zope.org home when i get it set. | 01:32 |
| srichter | great | 01:32 |
| srichter | thanks a lot | 01:32 |
| baldtrol | definitely. thanks man. | 01:34 |
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| sureshvv | Anyone played with Fate>? | 09:52 |
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| bob2 | hm | 12:16 |
| bob2 | brainfart...if I want to override the view for a particular component, I just add a <page for="whatevrer"... block, right? | 12:16 |
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| roym | Is placelesssetup documented anywhere? | 14:44 |
| srichter | no | 14:45 |
| srichter | just read the code | 14:45 |
| srichter | there is not much to it | 14:45 |
| roym | Is it basically about creating a minimal infrastructure for testing? | 14:47 |
| srichter | well, the pure placeless setup is about clearing the CA ergistries | 14:52 |
| srichter | setup and ztapi are for component setup | 14:52 |
| roym | I see some helpful comments in the ProgrammerTutorial as well; thanks. | 14:54 |
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| roym | I have been wondering how to design for the following: | 15:46 |
| roym | I have a folder of quiz questions. | 15:46 |
| roym | - The folder needs to have next/prev iteration buttons | 15:46 |
| roym | - The items within the folder need to allow for editing as | 15:46 |
| roym | well. (ie: answer selection) | 15:46 |
| roym | 15:46 | |
| roym | I have a view for the folder that then includes a view for the | 15:46 |
| roym | question. I am confused as to whether the submit should go to the | 15:46 |
| roym | folder view or the question view. Either scenario requires the | 15:46 |
| roym | container and contained to be aware of each other, and I have this | 15:46 |
| roym | feeling that there is a better way (ie: someone has a pattern in mind | 15:46 |
| roym | for this). | 15:47 |
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| srichter | roym: are you building an online testing tool? | 15:52 |
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| srichter | if so, you need to differentiate between the question itself and the instances when a person is taking a test/quiz | 15:53 |
| srichter | questions are often independent of each other, so they should not know about an order | 15:54 |
| srichter | the order of the quiz is described by the quiz itself | 15:54 |
| srichter | (note that I developed an online testing tool for my senior thesis in college) | 15:55 |
| bob2 | do exceptions in zope/app/traversing/adapters.py tend to indicate tal templates are broken? | 15:55 |
| roym | srichter: yes this is an online testing tool that I am developing. | 15:56 |
| roym | (btw: has this already been done? in schooltool?) | 15:57 |
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| roym | my question is really: if the user checks an answer, I'd like for the "next" button to record the selection and move to the next question. I have a feeling that it is ugly to have the contained process the request and then have the container process the same request, but maybe this is the only way? | 16:00 |
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| srichter | roym: no, it used to be a Zope 2 system called ZQuest | 16:20 |
| srichter | roym: it supported a lot of cool things, like multiple choice, matching, numerical answers, graphics, LaTeX input, etc | 16:21 |
| srichter | roym: are you developing your product for a school? | 16:22 |
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| baldtrol | srichter: working on the workflow tests, i'm getting something i don't understand... when i add the IProcessDefinition utility, and then try to zapi.getUtility, it does return an object. but just an object object, not a pd object... | 19:08 |
| srichter | that is strange! | 19:09 |
| baldtrol | if it was failing to add it, i would think retrieving it by name would just fail, not give me an object back... | 19:09 |
| srichter | maybe it is a problem with the CA BBB support for services | 19:09 |
| srichter | I cannot say more without looking at the code, which I cannot do right now | 19:09 |
| baldtrol | hmm. i've tried to switch the workflowsetup code and the test_instance code to use "setup.addUtility" and such instead of "addService"... but all good. just thought i'd run it by you. i'll keep messing with it :) | 19:10 |
| srichter | I think that if the WF service still wants to be a service we should let it | 19:11 |
| srichter | otherwise it might not get setup right | 19:11 |
| baldtrol | my thought was just to run the tests as they stood, and then fix them on a per-error basis. but i may have "fixed" one problem only to break the rest. | 19:15 |
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| srichter | baldtrol: that happens | 19:23 |
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| baldtrol | srichter: think i got it working... should i tar up what i have, or just create a patch? | 20:52 |
| srichter | baldtrol: do you have committer access? | 20:54 |
| baldtrol | nosir. | 20:54 |
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| ncalpunker | Can someone tell me what is with all the ++ and @@ in urls in Zope 3? | 20:55 |
| mgedmin | namespace separation | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | it is conceivable that you may want to store a file called, say, 'contents.html' in a CMS | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | therefore the view named 'contents.html' is actually refered to as '@@contents.html' | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | so that it doesn't hide your content objects or vice verse | 20:56 |
| mgedmin | Zope 3 assumes you won't be bad and won't name your content objects '@@something' or '++something++else' | 20:57 |
| ncalpunker | ok. | 20:58 |
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| ncalpunker | No more simple urls, I guess? | 20:59 |
| SteveA | sure | 20:59 |
| SteveA | it is optional to use these things | 20:59 |
| ncalpunker | That is cool then. | 20:59 |
| SteveA | in launchpad, we use a simple + before a name when we need to disambiguate it | 20:59 |
| ncalpunker | I gotta wrap my head around Zope3. | 21:00 |
| SteveA | so, the login page is +login | 21:00 |
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| SteveA | but, that's just a launchpad convention | 21:00 |
| SteveA | because we didn't see the need to use two +s in a row | 21:00 |
| ncalpunker | Is that configured in zcml? | 21:00 |
| SteveA | kind of. we choose to name certain pages as starting with a + | 21:02 |
| SteveA | there is no global switch for it | 21:02 |
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| srichter | SteveA: it would be nice, if you would have one canonical login URL, so that my browser remembers my login info :-) | 21:05 |
| SteveA | srichter: please file a bug on this in malone | 21:05 |
| SteveA | we need to do some login system work to make it work when POSTs are in progress | 21:06 |
| SteveA | so, this can be part of the work too | 21:06 |
| SteveA | oddly, my browser remembers, though | 21:06 |
| SteveA | so, be sure to mention your browser details in the bug report | 21:06 |
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| ncalpunker | Is zope 3 considered production ready? | 21:07 |
| srichter | yep | 21:07 |
| srichter | 3.1 is about to be released | 21:07 |
| ncalpunker | great. | 21:07 |
| ncalpunker | I got a couple of books on they way (the only two about zope 3), are there any major changes that might not be in the books? | 21:08 |
| srichter | yeah | 21:09 |
| srichter | there are no services anymore | 21:09 |
| srichter | both books are careful to not mention them a lot | 21:09 |
| ncalpunker | Ok. | 21:09 |
| srichter | also, there is a new pluggable authentication system | 21:09 |
| ncalpunker | Why did services go away? | 21:10 |
| srichter | because they were superfluous | 21:10 |
| srichter | services were used in two ways: (1) provide unique fucntional objects for every site and (2) serve as registries | 21:11 |
| srichter | (1) can be addressed with unnamed utilities | 21:11 |
| ncalpunker | ok, cool. | 21:12 |
| srichter | (2) can be addressed to make all entries in a registry a named utility providing a certain interface | 21:12 |
| ncalpunker | Stupid question, but is there still the concept of index_html or similiar? | 21:15 |
| SteveA | ye | 21:17 |
| srichter | nope | 21:17 |
| SteveA | it is the "default view" | 21:17 |
| SteveA | you say what the default view name for an object it | 21:17 |
| SteveA | you can make it any name you want | 21:18 |
| SteveA | the default name is "index.html" for most things | 21:18 |
| SteveA | so, when you go to ..../yourthing/ it is really the ..../yourthing/index.html page | 21:18 |
| ncalpunker | Great! | 21:18 |
| SteveA | if 'index.html' is the default view name for objects of whatever type yourthing is | 21:18 |
| ncalpunker | Seems like Zope 3 has fixed all shortcomings of previous Zope. | 21:18 |
| philiKON | ncalpunker, that was the plan :) | 21:42 |
| ncalpunker | So far so good, still trying to dig my way through it all. | 21:43 |
| mgedmin | just as Zope 4 will fix all shortcomings of Zope 3 | 21:43 |
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| baldtrol | hah, nice | 21:43 |
| philiKON | hehe | 21:43 |
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| baldtrol | srichter: uploaded my changes (with a bit of a description). http://www.zope.org/Members/baldtrol/workflowupdates/file_view | 22:35 |
| srichter | baldtrol: could you create an issue in the issue collector? | 22:36 |
| srichter | I cannot get to the file, since it is not published | 22:36 |
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| baldtrol | argh. sorry :B | 22:37 |
| baldtrol | cool. issue 457 | 22:47 |
| srichter | thanks | 23:01 |
| baldtrol | np | 23:10 |
| baldtrol | was fun :) | 23:10 |
| srichter | I am glad you like this | 23:11 |
| srichter | maybe you want to contribute in the future again :-) | 23:11 |
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| baldtrol | i definitely do. | 23:12 |
| baldtrol | trick is finding things at my non-guru-skill level to fix ;) | 23:17 |
| srichter | if you were able to fix this, then you can fix a lot of other things too :-) | 23:17 |
| baldtrol | i'd be more than happy to give it a shot, anyway ;) | 23:19 |
| srichter | baldtrol: in this case it would be good, if you become a contributor | 23:20 |
| jvts | is there a different way to register something with the addmenu when using formlib? I tried using the addMenuItem but it complains it can't vind my view (it's defined as a browser:page) | 23:23 |
| philiKON | jvts, addMenuItem is about menu items for the "Add" menu | 23:24 |
| philiKON | oh, right, that's what you want :) | 23:25 |
| jvts | :-) | 23:25 |
| philiKON | jvts, your browser:page needs to be defined for IAdding | 23:25 |
| jvts | ah | 23:25 |
| philiKON | which is pretty obvious once you think about the fact that there isn't an object yet that this view could be found for... after all, the add view is supposed to create it | 23:26 |
| philiKON | adding is the '+' view | 23:26 |
| philiKON | somecontainer/+/your.adding.view.name | 23:26 |
| jvts | thanks | 23:28 |
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| baldtrol | srichter: i've read the contributor agreement before (but i'm rereading), and printed out the agreement form. | 23:30 |
| baldtrol | other than signing it and mailing it, is there anything i should do? | 23:31 |
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