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| srichter | J1m: whee, I have have been roger-indoctrinated now | 00:28 |
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| srichter | :-) | 00:28 |
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| J1m | ok, I'm brave | 00:34 |
| J1m | srichter, what does that mean? | 00:34 |
| gnosis | lol | 00:34 |
| srichter | benji_york: I have just agreed with Roger on a way to implement Java-like portlet system | 00:34 |
| srichter | we have pretty much been able to map the Java terminology to Zope 3 | 00:34 |
| srichter | the great challenge | 00:35 |
| J1m | um | 00:35 |
| srichter | decode Rogers ideas and thoughts :-) | 00:35 |
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| J1m | we plan to release a portlet system | 00:35 |
| srichter | no seriously, the experience he has with Tiks in many other areas is far ahead to what we are doing | 00:35 |
| srichter | the system we are proposing have some cool layers and you do not have to use all of them at once | 00:36 |
| J1m | That's cool | 00:37 |
| srichter | btw, we are not aiming at putting portlets in 3.2 | 00:37 |
| gnosis | when is 3.2 due out? | 00:37 |
| srichter | only the content provider and viewlet stuff, since it will have gone through 4 iterations by the time we are done with the latest one | 00:37 |
| srichter | gnosis: December 2005 | 00:37 |
| gnosis | cool | 00:38 |
| gnosis | that is quickly on the heels of 3.1 | 00:38 |
| J1m | gnosis, december for 3.2 | 00:38 |
| J1m | oops | 00:38 |
| gnosis | has there been any talk on breaking zope3 out of the zope.org site to its own site? | 00:39 |
| sm | yes | 00:40 |
| sm | philikon, d2m and I were discussing this yesterday for example | 00:41 |
| gnosis | thats great | 00:41 |
| sm | that doesn't mean anything much :) | 00:41 |
| gnosis | is there anything i can do to help that along.... i'm pretty much a retard when it comes to programming, but would love to help | 00:41 |
| gnosis | and perhaps learn something along the way | 00:42 |
| sm | thanks.. clarification, I meant the fact that we were discussing it didn't mean much | 00:42 |
| gnosis | ah | 00:43 |
| sm | I've heard people are working on a zope3.org somewhere | 00:43 |
| gnosis | it is registered but renders to viacom | 00:43 |
| gnosis | i'd love to see some recipes/how-tos/cookbook stuff | 00:43 |
| sm | other good places to bring this up include the zope-web list and the (small) #zope-web channel | 00:44 |
| gnosis | great, i'll do that | 00:44 |
| sm | personally I now agree with philikon that all should be integrated on a new zope.org | 00:44 |
| gnosis | cleaning up years of zope2 stuff will be quite a challenge though... don't you think? | 00:45 |
| J1m | sm, consider the zope3.org project a prototype for a new zope.org. | 00:45 |
| sm | J1m, ok | 00:46 |
| J1m | gnosis, the buggest mistake made in the development of the current zope.org was the decision to automatically convert the old zope.org content. | 00:47 |
| J1m | s/buggest/biggest :) | 00:47 |
| gnosis | yea, i hear ya | 00:47 |
| gnosis | theres gotta be a way to keep content current | 00:47 |
| sm | if you're interested I made a http://zopewiki.org/ZopeDotOrgMockup2 organized by audience | 00:47 |
| J1m | srichter, did you see that? | 00:47 |
| sm | the big question in my mind is how to describe both zope 2 and zope 3 at once.. they probably need equal billing for now, which seems to imply zope2: and zope3: sections in many of the docs | 00:48 |
| gnosis | seems zope3 should have higher billing.. IMHO | 00:49 |
| J1m | I dunno. For now, I'd be happy to see a usable site for zope 3 and see what we learn from that. | 00:50 |
| gnosis | i'd be ok with that, anything but the dev section :) | 00:51 |
| gnosis | so, what can i do to help it along? and/or who should i talk to? | 00:52 |
| J1m | You should talk to srichter | 00:52 |
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| gnosis | will do | 00:52 |
| gnosis | srichter@zope.org? | 00:53 |
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| J1m | stephan.richter at tufts.edu | 00:54 |
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| J1m | He'll be here tomorrow | 00:54 |
| gnosis | ok | 00:54 |
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| yota | anyone have a working apache configuration ? | 01:37 |
| * Theuni got a working sleeping room configuration ... | 01:39 | |
| Theuni | good night :) | 01:39 |
| yota | gn Theuni :) | 01:46 |
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| clueck | uuh, PAU sucks | 01:55 |
| clueck | i mean, it is ok from the zmi, but sucks if one tries to write a custom principal source for signup | 01:56 |
| clueck | bin/zopectl debug | 01:57 |
| clueck | >>> from zope.app.authentication.interfaces import IPluggableAuthentication | 01:57 |
| clueck | >>> from zope.app import zapi | 01:57 |
| clueck | >>> paul = zapi.getAllUtilitiesRegisteredFor(IPluggableAuthentication) | 01:58 |
| clueck | >>> len(paul) | 01:58 |
| clueck | 0 | 01:58 |
| clueck | anyone any hint? | 01:59 |
| J1m | Your site is the global site. | 02:00 |
| J1m | There aren't any paus there. | 02:00 |
| J1m | You need to set the site to a site containing the utility you are looking for. | 02:00 |
| clueck | hm, but I've registered a pau in ++etc++site | 02:02 |
| clueck | should it be found? | 02:02 |
| J1m | You aren't listening to me. | 02:02 |
| J1m | no | 02:02 |
| J1m | The default site has *no* local components. | 02:02 |
| J1m | Only those defined in zcml. | 02:03 |
| J1m | You need to use zope.app.component.hooks.setSite to set the site to the local site containing the utility you want. | 02:04 |
| clueck | ok, I see, hm, I'm not so familiar with the site thing. | 02:05 |
| J1m | It shouldn't be hidden in hooks. | 02:07 |
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| clueck | I will read a chapter in Philipp's book. Thank you so far! | 02:08 |
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| roym | 14:53 | |
| roym | In my unit test harness, I have a handle to an existing physical storage root. | 14:53 |
| roym | >>> root = conn.root()['Application'] | 14:53 |
| roym | I create and add a new object qfs to it | 14:53 |
| roym | >>> root['qfs'] = QFolderStudent() | 14:53 |
| roym | I would think I can now do a traverse: | 14:53 |
| roym | >>> zapi.traverse(root, '/qfs') | 14:53 |
| roym | But I get an error: | 14:53 |
| roym | *** TypeError: ('Could not adapt', <zope.app.folder.folder.Folder | 14:53 |
| roym | ... zope.app.traversing.interfaces.IPhysicallyLocatable>) | 14:53 |
| roym | Why? | 14:53 |
| mgedmin | roym, transaction.commit() | 14:56 |
| srichter | your tests need to register the traversal adapters | 14:56 |
| mgedmin | wait, that's not it | 14:57 |
| mgedmin | (transaction.commit() is needed in functional tests, if you want the publisher to notice your changes you made directly via the root folder) | 14:58 |
| roym | from transaction import get_transaction | 14:59 |
| roym | oops - I meant to say that the commit didn't solve the issue... | 15:00 |
| roym | even doing "zapi.traverse(root, '/')" gave the same error. | 15:01 |
| roym | From stephans tip, I need something like | 15:02 |
| roym | ztapi.provideAdapter(ILocation, IPhysicallyLocatable, LocationPhysicallyLocatable) | 15:02 |
| roym | correct? | 15:02 |
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| mgedmin | roym, from zope.app.testing import setup | 15:04 |
| mgedmin | setup.placelessSetUp() | 15:04 |
| mgedmin | setup.setUpTraversal() | 15:04 |
| mgedmin | (don't forget to setup.placelessTearDown() at the end) | 15:05 |
| roym | excellent - that works!! | 15:05 |
| roym | thanks. | 15:05 |
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| roym | is it reasonable to want to test views from within doctests? | 17:16 |
| roym | I have custom views that I would like to run tests on... | 17:16 |
| MacYET | inofficially you can do everything :) | 17:17 |
| roym | I get errors that tell me that I haven't registered the default layer; | 17:26 |
| roym | ConfigurationError: ('Invalid value for', 'layer', "Couldn't import default, No module named default") | 17:26 |
| roym | I did run an xmlconfig(...) and pull in all this stuff in... do I need to pass the context from that into the succeeding code? | 17:27 |
| roym | If I do len(zapi.getGlobalSiteManager().registrations()), I only | 17:32 |
| roym | get a handful | 17:32 |
| roym | does that mean my xmlconfig() code didn't take effect? | 17:33 |
| srichter | you want to test view class methods in unit tests but probably not rendering ZPT files | 17:34 |
| roym | Is there a simple way to do this without registering all the browser machinery? | 17:36 |
| electricSqrl | speaking of this, what is the best way to get started with view class methods in stephan or philipp's book? | 17:37 |
| MacYET | philipps book | 17:37 |
| MacYET | sorry, sr :-) | 17:37 |
| electricSqrl | MacYET -- any chance you know the chapter? | 17:38 |
| MacYET | it has an index | 17:38 |
| electricSqrl | tried that :) | 17:38 |
| MacYET | look at browsers views | 17:39 |
| electricSqrl | ok... | 17:39 |
| roym | electricSqrl: try 12.2 | 17:39 |
| MacYET | read philipp's book starting from the back...then the book makes sense :=) | 17:39 |
| electricSqrl | ahhhhhhhhhh... 12.2, perfect | 17:41 |
| roym | actually, as a relative newbie, I found both books to be handy (and necessary). My initial reaction to Stephan's book was - "this is not a good book" - until I started learning more, and then the pearls in Stephans begin to shine!! | 17:41 |
| electricSqrl | i agree roym, in baseball terms phillip's book is the starter and stephan's book is the closer and it's tough to win without both | 17:43 |
| MacYET | take Phillip's book as an appetizer and sr's book for the desert | 17:44 |
| electricSqrl | so when someone says "view class" they mean "from zope.app.publisher.browser import BrowserView" or is that too narrow | 17:45 |
| MacYET | a browser view class can be a view class | 17:49 |
| MacYET | but you can also have XMLRPC view classes | 17:49 |
| MacYET | etc. | 17:49 |
| electricSqrl | xmlrpc is the best way to call an external python script, right? | 17:52 |
| MacYET | whatr's an external python script? | 17:57 |
| electricSqrl | in my case, it's a mathematical optimization function optimize.py | 17:59 |
| electricSqrl | takes in a list, returns a list | 17:59 |
| electricSqrl | looking more deeply, it looks like xmlrpc is not what i want... i misunderstood what it was doing | 18:00 |
| MacYET | xmlrpc calls something on a remote server | 18:00 |
| electricSqrl | thanks MacYET | 18:05 |
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| itamar | hello | 18:10 |
| itamar | any chance someone here could release a zope.interface 3.1 package this weekend? | 18:11 |
| srichter | itamar: aehm, this is Fred's task usually | 18:14 |
| itamar | yeah... I just thought of it now | 18:14 |
| itamar | I'll CC him on my email to interface-dev | 18:14 |
| itamar | I suppose we could just build our own | 18:15 |
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| exarkun | aloha | 20:04 |
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| exarkun | I'm trying to resolve <http://twistedmatrix.com/bugs/issue1258>, but I need to change the IFTPShell interface slightly. I don't have any contact info for mkerrin, though, and I'd like to talk with him about it first. | 20:06 |
| exarkun | Anyone know how I can reach him, or feel like talking about zope3's ftp code? | 20:07 |
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| toni_ | hello | 20:08 |
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| toni_ | I'm looking for a ZPT reference for Zope3. Some things seem to be different than in Z2, and many links from the Zope3 book to the Zope.org website seem to be dead. | 20:33 |
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| ChrisW | anyone know why rendering a ZPT with a content_type of text/html returns a string, but of type text/xml returns a unicode? | 20:36 |
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| mgedmin | toni_, try looking on the Zope 3 wiki | 21:26 |
| mgedmin | roym, it is certainly possible to render views in unit tests, but you need a lot of setup | 21:27 |
| mgedmin | I've done so, and I'm not entirely sure it turned out to be a good idea | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | it does allow one to do test-driven development of page templates, though | 21:28 |
| mgedmin | (e.g. you can write a test for a specific tal:condition without having to use a full-fledged functional test) | 21:28 |
| J1m | mgedmin, have you used TestBrowser? | 21:29 |
| J1m | It makes functional tests much easier to write. | 21:29 |
| mgedmin | J1m, yes, it's very very nice | 21:30 |
| toni_ | well, i think i tried, but failed: eg. on http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/Zope3Book/webgui.html, there's a link to http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/Zope3Book/tal, but when I click that, I only get 404 (as well as for numerous other links). That's why i asked | 21:30 |
| J1m | IMO. if you want to test zpt, you should use a TestBrowser-based functional test. | 21:31 |
| toni_ | I don't as much want to test a ZPT, but instead just want to look up the definition of the current TAL, TALES, ... and ZPT things that are apparently different than in Zope2 | 21:32 |
| toni_ | but where I looked so far, there wasn't anything | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | toni_, I do not remember the exact URL, but I saw a reference of METAL (the Z3 version) there somewhere | 21:32 |
| mgedmin | roym is the one who wants to test ZPTs | 21:33 |
| mgedmin | toni_, Zope3/doc/CHANGES.txt points to http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZPT/MetalSpecification11 | 21:33 |
| mgedmin | that page has links to TAL, TALES and ZPT | 21:33 |
| * mgedmin muses that a good argument against rendering PTs in unit tests is that the necessary setup duplicates a big bunch of ZCML and violates the Don't Repeat Yourself principle | 21:35 | |
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| J1m | toni_, the programmer tutorial shows the few differences | 21:36 |
| J1m | The important differences are the top-level variables. | 21:36 |
| J1m | http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/ProgrammerTutorial/programmers_tutorial.pdf | 21:36 |
| J1m | I wish I knew a good way to split up restructued text files. | 21:37 |
| J1m | well, I guess it's not that hard. | 21:38 |
| toni_ | ok thank you! I hoped for a more formal doc, but will probably find my way through the source (eventually). | 21:38 |
| * toni_ is away: I'm busy | 21:38 | |
| mgedmin | toni_, what's wrong with the link I gave you? | 21:38 |
| mgedmin | I thought that spec was as formal as you can get | 21:39 |
| J1m | toni_, I thought you wanted to know what was different. | 21:39 |
| * toni_ is back (gone 00:01:01) | 21:39 | |
| J1m | The only significant difference is the top-level variables. | 21:39 |
| J1m | (The is also the metal thing mgedmin pointed out.) | 21:40 |
| mgedmin | the repeat/$foo/$bar also gained some new ${bar}s, didn't it? | 21:40 |
| mgedmin | Zope 2 didn't have repeat/$foo/parity, for example | 21:41 |
| J1m | uh, I have no idea what you're talking about. :) | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | ITalesIterator | 21:41 |
| toni_ | hello,... I appreciate the links you sent my way, although i already had used some of them already. I'll see how far i get with thes | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | or is it ITALESIterator | 21:41 |
| mgedmin | http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ZPT/RepeatVariable | 21:42 |
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| J1m | I guess there's also the adapter stuff. | 21:42 |
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| gdsgdsgvdd | i am creating a registration form using zope 3 which includes a list of saminars from which the user can select atmost 3 | 22:04 |
| gdsgdsgvdd | when user submits, the data is stored and the list of users registered can be viewed by the adminitrator | 22:05 |
| gdsgdsgvdd | how should i go about cleating the list of saminars... may be each seminar name followed by a check box to select | 22:06 |
| gdsgdsgvdd | and applying constraint of --"selecting not more than 3 seminars" | 22:07 |
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| gdsgdsgvdd | can someone help me with some idea... how to go about creating this | 22:10 |
| J1m | How many seminars will there be? | 22:10 |
| gdsgdsgvdd | about 10 | 22:10 |
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| J1m | wil the list of seminars be fixed? | 22:10 |
| gdsgdsgvdd | yes | 22:10 |
| J1m | Just use a simple vocabulary | 22:10 |
| J1m | define a list of cjoice field with the vocabulary being the list of seminars. | 22:11 |
| J1m | something like; | 22:11 |
| gdsgdsgvdd | ok... how will the constraint be applied | 22:12 |
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| J1m | seminars = schema.List(value_type=schema.Choice(vocabulary=SimpleVocabulary(['seminar1', 'seminar2', ...], max_length=3) | 22:15 |
| J1m | seminars = schema.List(value_type=schema.Choice(vocabulary=SimpleVocabulary(['seminar1', 'seminar2', ...]), max_length=3) | 22:15 |
| J1m | seminars = schema.List(value_type=schema.Choice(vocabulary=SimpleVocabulary(['seminar1', 'seminar2', ...])), max_length=3) | 22:15 |
| J1m | or some such :) | 22:15 |
| gdsgdsgvdd | oh.. this includes the constraint | 22:16 |
| J1m | so, use a ListField with a max_length value of 3 | 22:16 |
| J1m | yes | 22:16 |
| gdsgdsgvdd | hey, I am a starter... and was thinking how will the user be using this site.... naver used zope before.. right now i use the zope IE interface to view the form.. how will the user be seeing the form | 22:18 |
| gdsgdsgvdd | makes sense?? | 22:18 |
| J1m | no | 22:18 |
| gdsgdsgvdd | i have created a package named seminar | 22:19 |
| gdsgdsgvdd | and then when i start zope i see a tab called seminar at the left hand navigation bar | 22:20 |
| gdsgdsgvdd | when i click that tab.. i get the form | 22:21 |
| gdsgdsgvdd | will the user be going the same way.... | 22:21 |
| J1m | I woudl hope not. | 22:21 |
| J1m | I would hope not. | 22:22 |
| gdsgdsgvdd | then how does that work... | 22:22 |
| J1m | Please note that I don't have time to help you design your UI or application. | 22:22 |
| gdsgdsgvdd | i know... may be too basic... sorry for that | 22:26 |
| gdsgdsgvdd | thanks anyways.. that code will help... | 22:26 |
| SiggyF | There's a reference to a script "/utilities/pyskel.py" in the developer's book. I can't find that script in the zope3.1 release. Is it supposed to be there? | 22:27 |
| J1m | not sure. | 22:28 |
| J1m | It's in a checkout and available at: | 22:28 |
| SiggyF | It's tagged in svn | 22:28 |
| J1m | http://svn.zope.org/Zope3/trunk/utilities/pyskel.py?rev=26446&view=log | 22:29 |
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| SiggyF | Ok thanks. | 22:30 |
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