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| MacYET | morning | 11:30 |
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| kickingvegas | helo | 11:35 |
| kickingvegas | anybody here/ | 11:36 |
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| kickingvegas | hello? | 12:54 |
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| philiKON | any you folks know if it is possible to include files into a reST document? | 14:30 |
| philiKON | i don't feel like copy-n-pasting all sorts of source code into my reST documentation | 14:30 |
| philiKON | i'd rather just tell the reST machinery where to fetch it | 14:30 |
| mgedmin | philiKON, http://docutils.sourceforge.net/docs/ref/rst/directives.html#including-an-external-document-fragment | 14:34 |
| philiKON | man, i should take a "how to google" class :) | 14:34 |
| philiKON | mgedmin, thanks! | 14:35 |
| d2m | its not working inside zope though | 14:50 |
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| mgedmin | perhaps zope disables the file inclusion? | 14:58 |
| mgedmin | to avoid TTW users from reading arbitrary files on the server's fs | 14:59 |
| mgedmin | a ZWiki page that does '.. include: /etc/passwd' is not what you want to allow | 14:59 |
| d2m | ok, must have changed with 2.8 (.. include: ... is converted to a html comment now) | 15:03 |
| d2m | but ".. include:: /etc/passwd" happily includes the password file ;) | 15:04 |
| mgedmin | what fun! ;) | 15:05 |
| d2m | mgedmin: maybe i just remember wrong, last time i tried i wanted to include objects from the zodb, not from filesystem | 15:06 |
| mgedmin | ah | 15:06 |
| mgedmin | d2m, perhaps you should let Jim know about this | 15:07 |
| mgedmin | it might be a security issue | 15:07 |
| mgedmin | cheers! | 15:07 |
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| d2m | the filesystem include sure is | 15:07 |
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| d2m | MacYET: on a question ? | 16:37 |
| MacYET | no, tired from biking | 16:38 |
| d2m | MacYET: want to join me in #zope-web | 16:39 |
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| headgoat | mornin' all. Tryin to install Zope Dev 3 on a fairly new Fedora Core 3 install with Python 2.4.1 ... gettin all sorts of errors | 17:24 |
| headgoat | anyone here good at sortin this stuff out? | 17:24 |
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| philiKON | please define "Zope Dev 3" | 17:25 |
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| headgoat | sorry, lol. Zope 3.1.0 (zope dev 3 was a typo) | 17:26 |
| headgoat | i get a lot of warnings, like "warning: pointer targets in passing argument 1 of ‘PyString_FromStringAndSize’ differ in signedness | 17:27 |
| headgoat | " | 17:27 |
| headgoat | and then the test fails (on 'make check') after lots of dots | 17:27 |
| headgoat | and forgive me for being new at all this, I did Google around, and couldn't see similar issues | 17:28 |
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| J1m | are you writing C code? | 17:30 |
| headgoat | just trying to get a brand new installation of Zope up. Never used it before. Hadn't planned on writing C code | 17:32 |
| headgoat | (but not opposed to it) | 17:32 |
| J1m | You are getting this message when building Zope? | 17:32 |
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| headgoat | um, I downloaded 3.1.0, Extracted it. Did the ./configure --with-python <python directory>, and then did a make, and got a bunch of warnings | 17:34 |
| J1m | what platform? | 17:34 |
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| headgoat | sorry for not understanding all these questions! um.. Intel Pentium 4, Fedora Core 3 (does that answer your question?) | 17:36 |
| headgoat | Linux of course | 17:36 |
| J1m | Yeah, that answers the question. Sounds very odd. | 17:37 |
| philiKON | headgoat, stock python from FC3? | 17:37 |
| headgoat | IIRC, i installed python from python.org (2.4.1) | 17:38 |
| philiKON | from source? | 17:38 |
| roym | I need to set access control on a dict field in my interface. | 17:39 |
| roym | However, if I use zope.schema.Dict, then I get: | 17:39 |
| roym | ComponentLookupError: ((<zope.schema._field.Dict object | 17:39 |
| roym | ..., <InterfaceClass zope.app.form.interfaces.IInputWidget>, u'') | 17:39 |
| roym | How do I specify a mapping field in my interface, and not be "forced" | 17:39 |
| roym | to provide a UI widget for it? | 17:39 |
| headgoat | so far, all i have done on this PC (being new to Linux) is install Fedora core 3, python, configured apache, downloaded django (to play), and tried zope | 17:39 |
| J1m | roym, I think you might be the first person to use Dict fields. | 17:40 |
| roym | ouch - are there tests that I can read up on? | 17:40 |
| philiKON | roym, there just aren't any widgets for Dict fields... | 17:41 |
| philiKON | maybe you can think of one and implement it... | 17:41 |
| roym | sorry for being naiive, but I take you can't use them without a widget? | 17:41 |
| J1m | roym, right, you can't display them in forms without widgets. | 17:42 |
| headgoat | yes, from source | 17:42 |
| roym | hmmm, this is a case where I don't want to really have a UI element for a field, but I need to put it in the interface so I can specify access control. Is there another way? | 17:43 |
| J1m | headgoat, I don't have any ideas. We're not seeing this elsewhere. I don't have FC3, but I don't have any problems on FC1 or Ubuntu | 17:44 |
| roym | Do I need to declare get/set methods and do it via method security? | 17:45 |
| J1m | roym, don't use it in the form. | 17:45 |
| J1m | roym, just exclude the field from the form. | 17:45 |
| roym | ok - thanks. | 17:45 |
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| roym | I was thinking of documenting some of my "newbie" experiences w/z3. What would a good place be for that? | 17:56 |
| roym | mostly stuff about stumbling blocks, where I found useful info, etc... | 17:58 |
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| philiKON | roym, your blog maybe? | 18:27 |
| philiKON | have the feed included in planetzope.org | 18:27 |
| d2m | roym, you got a blog ? | 18:27 |
| roym | Don't have one - however, would it be worth adding something to the zope wiki? | 18:30 |
| philiKON | maybe. depends on how "personal" that experience is | 18:30 |
| roym | For instance, I would like to add some pointers to "how to read" the excellent doctests... | 18:30 |
| philiKON | you know, you can always get a blog on blogger.com | 18:30 |
| philiKON | roym, nice | 18:31 |
| roym | ok - let me start with a blog entry.. thanks. | 18:31 |
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| gdsgdsgvdd | is there a specific schema type for entering email address in zope3 | 20:20 |
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| philiKON | gdsgdsgvdd, nope... a TextLine with a constraint=re.compile(some_regex_that_matches_email_addresses).match shoudl suffice, though | 20:23 |
| gdsgdsgvdd | thanks | 20:23 |
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| headgoat | still trying, here. Now I get "undefined symbol: PyUnicodeUCS4_AsEncodedString" ... Google tells me that I am not alone with this issue | 22:14 |
| headgoat | [at this point, I have downloaded the latest Python (2.4.2), and did a make install, and went to church (as I've learned to do during any installs!) | 22:19 |
| headgoat | looks like it may be a problem with "--enable-unicode=ucs4" - based on googling | 22:20 |
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| headgoat | geez.. I feel so incompetent! How can software be so difficult to install!? | 22:39 |
| benji_york | headgoat, I skimmed the IRC logs, but let me get this straight: Fedora Core, x86, compiled Python from source (and did a system-wide install), ./configure --with-python=(the python you compiled), and now make complains | 22:40 |
| benji_york | oh, in your Zope 3 source directory do a "make clean" and then ./configure again with the new python and it should build ok | 22:41 |
| headgoat | you are up to speed. My error messages vary. I have tried a couple versions of Python, but have *not* gone back to 2.3.5 (as seems to be recommended) | 22:42 |
| headgoat | k, lemme try that | 22:42 |
| headgoat | hate to be stupid, but I got : make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. | 22:43 |
| benji_york | hmm, let me check | 22:43 |
| benji_york | hmm, that works in a check out, maybe not in a release... let me see if I have a release laying around | 22:43 |
| headgoat | i can blow away zope, and re-extract | 22:43 |
| benji_york | that might be faster than me figuring it out | 22:44 |
| headgoat | ok, done.. | 22:45 |
| headgoat | hang on... attempting zope make | 22:45 |
| headgoat | hmmm... still getting: /usr/local/bin/python install.py -q build | 22:48 |
| headgoat | Traceback (most recent call last): | 22:48 |
| headgoat | File "install.py", line 28, in ? | 22:48 |
| headgoat | context.initialize() | 22:48 |
| headgoat | File "/home/headgoat/Desktop/Zope-3.1.0/Support/zpkgsetup/setup.py", line 83, in initialize | 22:48 |
| headgoat | self.scan(self._pkgname, pkgdir, self._pkgname) | 22:48 |
| headgoat | ... and about 10 more lines, ending with No Parser found | 22:48 |
| headgoat | last lines: File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/xml/sax/__init__.py", line 93, in make_parser | 22:49 |
| headgoat | raise SAXReaderNotAvailable("No parsers found", None) | 22:49 |
| headgoat | xml.sax._exceptions.SAXReaderNotAvailable: No parsers found | 22:49 |
| headgoat | make: *** [build] Error 1 | 22:49 |
| benji_york | /usr/local/bin/python is the one you just installed from source? | 22:50 |
| headgoat | yes. | 22:50 |
| benji_york | source from python.org? | 22:50 |
| headgoat | one sec.. I may not have started clean there.. lemme try again | 22:51 |
| headgoat | source from python.org, yes | 22:51 |
| benji_york | strange | 22:51 |
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| headgoat | ok, same error, with a clean download of Zope 3 | 22:52 |
| headgoat | I am out of my league on this stuff! | 22:52 |
| benji_york | that's more of a Python problem than a Zope problem. Missing XML parser... hmm | 22:52 |
| headgoat | *all* I want to do is get a simple Zope install up.. I don't care if I have to trash the machine.. | 22:52 |
| headgoat | I can try a re-install of Python | 22:53 |
| headgoat | maybe I should go back to 2.3.5 of Python (I just have a philosophical problem that I need to get over - of installing old software when I know it's been superceeded) | 22:53 |
| headgoat | Super-seeded? | 22:54 |
| headgoat | (what Lois Lane got last Saturday night!) | 22:54 |
| benji_york | ahh, you need to install expat first (or another supported XML parser) | 22:55 |
| benji_york | you can get a full package here: http://pyxml.sourceforge.net/ | 22:56 |
| benji_york | or you should be able to use your OSs package manager to get it | 22:56 |
| headgoat | ok. so is this because I am not installing Python correctly? | 22:56 |
| benji_york | nope, Python just depends on an external library to parse XML, and your system doesn't seem to have it | 22:57 |
| benji_york | install expat (one way or the other) and rebuild Python, then rebuild Zope and you should be OK | 22:58 |
| benji_york | oh, and if you install expat via a package manager you may also need the "dev" package (somethign like libexpat1-dev) | 22:59 |
| headgoat | so when you say my OSs package manager - being on Fedora Core3, would that be subversion, or yum, or up2date? | 22:59 |
| benji_york | yum (I think, not a FC user myself) | 22:59 |
| headgoat | (can you tell I have only typed about 20 linux commands in my life so far?!) | 23:00 |
| benji_york | everyone has to start somewhere :) | 23:00 |
| headgoat | tough to teach an old dog... | 23:00 |
| headgoat | I'll try the sourcgeforge route... see if that works | 23:01 |
| headgoat | by the way, in case you drop off before I complete - THANK YOU! | 23:03 |
| benji_york | no problem, I hope it works out | 23:04 |
| headgoat | so to rebuild python, do I need to just do a 'make install' - or some 'configure' steps as well? or a make clean? or re-download - or reformat? ;) | 23:06 |
| headgoat | <I am still smiling at the Lois Lane crack.. sometimes i crack me up> | 23:07 |
| benji_york | you'll have to re-do ./configure and probably "make clean" then make | 23:11 |
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| headgoat | ok, still plugging away. (unfortunately, power outage UNPLUGGED me for a brief moment) | 23:20 |
| benji_york | I wondered what happend to you :) | 23:21 |
| headgoat | geez this is painful... | 23:24 |
| headgoat | ok, after loss of power.. | 23:24 |
| headgoat | I have downloaded and installed the XML parser from Sourceforge. that all looked ok | 23:25 |
| benji_york | ok | 23:25 |
| headgoat | (although just once, after screens full of scrolling messages, I wish the installer programs would say "it all worked!") | 23:25 |
| benji_york | :) | 23:25 |
| headgoat | then I went to python 2.4.2, | 23:25 |
| headgoat | did a ./configure | 23:25 |
| headgoat | did a make | 23:26 |
| headgoat | and I get this: | 23:26 |
| headgoat | INFO: Can't locate Tcl/Tk libs and/or headers | 23:26 |
| headgoat | running build_scripts | 23:26 |
| headgoat | (how does it feel to be working with a total noob?) | 23:26 |
| benji_york | that's ok (the message and the noobyness) :) | 23:26 |
| benji_york | you won't need Tk for Zope | 23:27 |
| headgoat | ok. So I'll proceed with a "make install" command (guessing that this is the next step) | 23:28 |
| benji_york | yep | 23:28 |
| headgoat | and it's compiling a whole bunch of stuff | 23:28 |
| benji_york | you did the "make install" as root, right? | 23:28 |
| headgoat | yes | 23:28 |
| benji_york | ok | 23:28 |
| headgoat | i also did the configure and make as root | 23:29 |
| headgoat | is that OK? | 23:29 |
| headgoat | (I su'd at the beginning) | 23:29 |
| benji_york | you don't have to do that, most people configure and make as a normal user and just do "sudo make install" (if they have sudo installed) | 23:29 |
| hazmat_ | ok, but unesc. | 23:29 |
| headgoat | ok. now i do a: cd ../Zope-3.1.0/ | 23:30 |
| benji_york | "unesc."? hazmat | 23:30 |
| headgoat | unnecessary | 23:30 |
| benji_york | ah, indeed. | 23:30 |
| benji_york | headgoat, yep | 23:31 |
| headgoat | and next, a ./configure. it reports 3 pythons out there | 23:31 |
| benji_york | use --with-python=/path/to/python | 23:31 |
| headgoat | Testing for an acceptable Python interpreter... | 23:31 |
| headgoat | Python version 2.4.2 found at /usr/local/bin/python | 23:31 |
| headgoat | Python version 2.4.1 found at /usr/bin/python | 23:31 |
| headgoat | Python version 2.4.1 found at /usr/bin/python2 | 23:31 |
| headgoat | !! WARNING !! | 23:31 |
| headgoat | An acceptable, but non-optimal Python version (2.4.1) | 23:31 |
| headgoat | was found at '/usr/bin/python'. | 23:31 |
| headgoat | But consider installing version '2.3.5' before running | 23:31 |
| headgoat | 'make'. If this isn't the Python version or interpreter | 23:31 |
| headgoat | instance you wish to use, you may specify a Python interpreter | 23:31 |
| headgoat | manually by rerunning the ./configure script with the | 23:31 |
| headgoat | '--with-python' option. | 23:31 |
| headgoat | (I am curious, as an aside, where I SHOULD be installing Python) | 23:31 |
| benji_york | /usr/local/bin/python is fine | 23:32 |
| headgoat | i mean, is /usr/local/bin a terrible ... oh ok | 23:32 |
| benji_york | your other pythons were probably installed by a package manger, and things can get screwy if you clobber them | 23:33 |
| headgoat | i have a feeling that's what's going on! | 23:33 |
| headgoat | ok.. now with-python: | 23:33 |
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| headgoat | ./configure --with-python /usr/local/bin/python | 23:33 |
| headgoat | Configuring Zope installation | 23:33 |
| headgoat | Using Python interpreter at /usr/local/bin/python | 23:33 |
| headgoat | now, make? or make clean? or make install? where am i? | 23:33 |
| headgoat | (gotta love this play-by-play) | 23:34 |
| benji_york | I'd "make clean" just to be sure, then "make" | 23:34 |
| headgoat | ok | 23:34 |
| benji_york | (although you didn mention that make clean didn't work for you a minute ago) | 23:34 |
| headgoat | make clean | 23:34 |
| headgoat | make: *** No rule to make target `clean'. Stop. | 23:34 |
| benji_york | hmm, that's a release difference, try just "make" and see how far we get | 23:35 |
| headgoat | make | 23:36 |
| headgoat | /usr/local/bin/python install.py -q build | 23:36 |
| headgoat | Traceback (most recent call last): | 23:36 |
| headgoat | File "install.py", line 28, in ? | 23:36 |
| headgoat | context.initialize() | 23:36 |
| headgoat | File "/home/headgoat/Desktop/Zope-3.1.0/Support/zpkgsetup/setup.py", line 83, in initialize | 23:36 |
| headgoat | self.scan(self._pkgname, pkgdir, self._pkgname) | 23:36 |
| headgoat | File "/home/headgoat/Desktop/Zope-3.1.0/Support/zpkgsetup/setup.py", line 193, i n scan | 23:36 |
| headgoat | and many more! slightly different error at the end - no longer missing parser! | 23:36 |
| headgoat | File "/usr/local/lib/python2.4/site-packages/_xmlplus/sax/saxexts.py", line 75 , in make_parser | 23:36 |
| headgoat | sys.modules[parser_name].create_parser = _create_parser | 23:36 |
| headgoat | KeyError: 'xml.sax.drivers2.drv_pyexpat' | 23:36 |
| headgoat | make: *** [build] Error 1 | 23:36 |
| headgoat | (I gave you the first and last traceback messages... .there are about 12) | 23:37 |
| headgoat | At this point, I would willingly order a Zope PC with it all pre-installed! | 23:39 |
| benji_york | :) | 23:39 |
| benji_york | hmm, don't know.. still a Python XML parser problem, but no idea how to fix it. | 23:40 |
| benji_york | did you install expat into the same Python you used for Zope? | 23:40 |
| headgoat | well.. given that I am now getting expat errors... I'd guess yes... | 23:41 |
| headgoat | but... I don't know that it asked me, I didn't do anything special to install it into the same Python. | 23:41 |
| benji_york | which python did you use to run it's setup.py? | 23:41 |
| benji_york | (that's how it knows where to install) | 23:42 |
| headgoat | ah. I just typed "python setup.py" ... and that is the 2.4.2 version (i.e. the one in usr/local/bin), ... so the answer is yes | 23:42 |
| benji_york | ok | 23:43 |
| benji_york | so we're back to me having no ideas :) | 23:43 |
| benji_york | this is more of a platform/Python problem, unfortunately | 23:43 |
| headgoat | well I am open to anything - I mean, if someone said "here's how you CAN get it to work - starting at the version of Linux, etc, step by step, I'd do it | 23:45 |
| benji_york | I'm running Ubuntu 5.04, if you want to try that | 23:46 |
| headgoat | was it as simple as an install? or are there some magic "stand on your head while you hold down control-alt.." type things | 23:46 |
| benji_york | I've never used FC, so can't say, but it was very easy (and I'm running on a laptop, which are notoriously hard to get Linux to work right on) | 23:47 |
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| headgoat | I wonder if I should start by trying to remove Python completely | 23:48 |
| headgoat | ..or just start over! | 23:48 |
| headgoat | ..or try windows! | 23:49 |
| benji_york | Windows is easier, but then you'll be running on Windows :) | 23:49 |
| headgoat | (sorry, those were words of frustration. probably fighting words in this crowd!) | 23:49 |
| benji_york | not to me, I use both (Linux and Windows) all the time | 23:50 |
| headgoat | with Zope? | 23:50 |
| benji_york | yep (and for everything else) | 23:50 |
| headgoat | i wonder what sort of mess I'd have if I installed ubuntu on top of FC3 | 23:52 |
| benji_york | none, you'll repartition your drive and wipe FC | 23:53 |
| headgoat | ah, I'll probably be buying a new computer.. i can see it coming | 23:54 |
| benji_york | why's that? | 23:54 |
| hazmat_ | hehe | 23:54 |
| headgoat | (I have just a couple things running on this one.. a website for a friend, a file server.. and it's a good excuse to get new toys) | 23:54 |
| headgoat | it's just cheaper to buy new, then to spend hours and hours rebuilding! | 23:55 |
| hazmat_ | you might be better off trying to get pyxml(.sf.net) installed, generally pyexpat will be installed, but it seems not in this case, i believe pyxml includes another expat variant, or you might want to check that you have expat dev packages installed on fc3, and recompile your local python (make clean /.configure/make/make install) and try it again | 23:56 |
| headgoat | I'm sure I boogered it up somehow with these multiple pythons and package installs and not knowing what I am doing. I'll try pyxml. | 23:59 |
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