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| viyyer | how can i make plone work on zope3 | 09:24 |
| MacYET_ | z3 does not work with plone.point | 09:25 |
| MacYET_ | plone does not work with z3 | 09:25 |
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| sashav | morning, any links for where I can learn how I can make an already existing class persistent object in zope without touching the class? do I need to use an adapter that spits out a new persistent instance? | 11:55 |
| sashav | never mind | 11:57 |
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| hdima | Is there are way to get multi adapter by interfaces? | 15:48 |
| hdima | For example: | 15:48 |
| hdima | getMultiAdapter((IObject1, IObject2), name="name") | 15:49 |
| hdima | ? | 15:49 |
| SteveA | there's no nice api for doing that, even for a single interface | 15:52 |
| SteveA | which is a shame | 15:52 |
| SteveA | you can query the adapters registry directly | 15:52 |
| SteveA | or you can create objects soley to provide those interfaces, to do the query | 15:53 |
| hdima | Curently I've create a fake objects which provides my interfaces, but it's not the right way... :) | 15:54 |
| SteveA | right | 15:55 |
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| mgedmin | svn.zope.org is dead? | 16:12 |
| benji_york | apparently | 16:14 |
| MacYET_ | looks like | 16:14 |
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| benji_york | Jim is being informed about svn.zope.org | 16:22 |
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| J1m | I just unwedged svn.zope.org | 16:40 |
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| fdrake | philiKON, it sounds like you have no actual use for the HTML out mode from ZPT; is that right? | 16:42 |
| philiKON | fdrake, i don't | 16:43 |
| philiKON | but hdima has | 16:43 |
| philiKON | i-mode markup | 16:43 |
| philiKON | which probably has .000001% market share | 16:43 |
| J1m | Sounds like an untapped market. ;) | 16:43 |
| philiKON | (i-mode is a Japanese mobile phone information system, quite popular over there, never really popular in Europe, no idea about the US) | 16:44 |
| philiKON | J1m, i meant market share as in all web clients | 16:44 |
| philiKON | it's not really "web", so it might not count | 16:44 |
| J1m | Isn't it possible to express i-mode markup in xhtml? | 16:44 |
| philiKON | don't ask me, ask hdima | 16:46 |
| hdima | Seems like real i-mode phones are happy with xhtml | 16:46 |
| philiKON | what is an unreal i-mode phone? | 16:46 |
| fdrake | ah, good | 16:46 |
| hdima | Only specs said about html markup | 16:46 |
| philiKON | ic | 16:46 |
| fdrake | so XHTML is sufficient in practice? | 16:47 |
| hdima | yes | 16:47 |
| fdrake | I like that answer. :-) | 16:47 |
| hdima | :) | 16:47 |
| philiKON | same here | 16:47 |
| philiKON | fdrake, about the spec | 16:47 |
| philiKON | or, the proposal rather | 16:48 |
| philiKON | forcing people into a file extension somehow feels wrong to me | 16:48 |
| philiKON | we've never done that | 16:48 |
| fdrake | I don't know if there could be any Zope 2 issues with an XHTML-only story; it seems unlikely, but I should send a message to that group as well. | 16:48 |
| fdrake | It's not great, I'll agree. | 16:48 |
| fdrake | But it has less separation from the content than something in ZCML. | 16:49 |
| philiKON | you know what would even be no separation from the content? if we'd decide based on <?xml ?> being there or not | 16:49 |
| philiKON | :) | 16:49 |
| philiKON | *if* we have to go with the file extension thing, why not at least express it the negative way | 16:50 |
| fdrake | The catch is that <?xml ?> is a problem for some content (like what's fed to MSIE). :-( | 16:50 |
| philiKON | yeah | 16:50 |
| philiKON | i was being sarcastic | 16:50 |
| philiKON | anyways | 16:50 |
| philiKON | *if* we have to go with the file extension thing, why not at least express it the negative way | 16:50 |
| philiKON | : | 16:50 |
| fdrake | ideally, reasonable filesystems would support typed data :-) | 16:50 |
| philiKON | if a zpt DOESN'T have the .hpt file extension, it's XML | 16:50 |
| fdrake | because of the compatibility issue | 16:51 |
| philiKON | hrm | 16:51 |
| fdrake | Jim suggested that we could introduce two extensions, .xpt and .hpt, so either way could be explicit. | 16:51 |
| philiKON | .xpt sucks | 16:51 |
| fdrake | so does HTML | 16:51 |
| fdrake | and data sniffing. | 16:52 |
| philiKON | introducing those would set this file extension into stone forever | 16:52 |
| philiKON | i like .pt | 16:52 |
| philiKON | we would never come back to it, i predict | 16:52 |
| philiKON | because renaming stuff is just too hard | 16:52 |
| fdrake | Julien and I played with the idea of changing the sniffing, so that if any namespaces are used, XML mode is used. | 16:52 |
| fdrake | that's a more expensive sniff though, and still a sniff | 16:53 |
| philiKON | yes | 16:53 |
| philiKON | well | 16:53 |
| philiKON | we agree taht HTML mode should go in the long term, yes? | 16:53 |
| benji_york | go == go away? | 16:53 |
| philiKON | yes | 16:54 |
| fdrake | you and I do, certainly, and many others here as well | 16:54 |
| benji_york | then I agree :) | 16:54 |
| hdima | I agree | 16:54 |
| philiKON | fdrake, let's say we:=you and me for the moment | 16:54 |
| philiKON | so, HTML mode is not going to stay with us forever | 16:54 |
| philiKON | so, any dirty thing (like sniffing) would not be sticking around forever, either | 16:54 |
| philiKON | in fact, it would have a fixed expiration date | 16:55 |
| philiKON | e.g. Zope 3.4 | 16:55 |
| fdrake | right | 16:56 |
| fdrake | and, more interestingly, there would only be XHTML output if I have my way | 16:56 |
| fdrake | that would buy simplifications in the implementation, and at least a small bit of performance | 16:57 |
| SteveA | will it be easier to add <doctypes> to pages in the future? | 16:57 |
| SteveA | i guess i can do that in the view code | 16:57 |
| philiKON | fdrake, you mean, even html mode would be xhtml mode? | 16:57 |
| fdrake | haven't thought about that | 16:57 |
| fdrake | philiKON, YES!!!! | 16:57 |
| philiKON | ic | 16:57 |
| philiKON | will xhtml mode be utilizing xml mode? | 16:58 |
| fdrake | keeping the parser is easy | 16:58 |
| fdrake | yes | 16:58 |
| philiKON | so, xhtml mode will need the namespace declarations and everything tucked into a document element? | 16:58 |
| hdima | It would be nice to introduce some pluggable modes... | 16:58 |
| fdrake | but the "/>" would always need to be converted to " />"; another simplification | 16:58 |
| fdrake | xhtml mode requires that now | 16:59 |
| fdrake | perhaps, but better to simplify | 16:59 |
| * mgedmin notes that the w3c validator barfs on pages that declare HTML 4 doctype and have tags like <... /> | 16:59 | |
| * mgedmin doesn't care, 'cause /me always declares his pages as XHTML | 16:59 | |
| philiKON | yeah | 17:00 |
| philiKON | i'd be surprised if anyone is actually still using HTML4, especially for the potential new implementation we're rolling out | 17:00 |
| philiKON | man, china has already messed up my english | 17:00 |
| philiKON | fdrake, so, coming back to the rationale i was on before | 17:02 |
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| philiKON | i'd rather introduce something now that is going to go away by the deprecation process we started | 17:02 |
| philiKON | self-removal through deprecation so to speak | 17:02 |
| philiKON | this wouldn't happen with a special file extension... | 17:02 |
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| philiKON | namespace declarations there or not might be a suitable switch | 17:03 |
| philiKON | i wouldn't count on it, though | 17:03 |
| fdrake | right | 17:04 |
| philiKON | why not temporarily introduce a "tal:mode='xhtml|xml'"? | 17:04 |
| philiKON | on the document element | 17:04 |
| fdrake | Jim just noted that another need for XML-mode without the XML declaration is templates that generate fragments | 17:04 |
| fdrake | like a portlet or a widget | 17:04 |
| philiKON | yes | 17:04 |
| philiKON | of course | 17:04 |
| mgedmin | yes | 17:05 |
| mgedmin | I was bitten by this once | 17:05 |
| SteveA | i'd like to be able to state the namespaces externally from the xml file | 17:05 |
| fdrake | tal:mode might be ok | 17:05 |
| SteveA | for example, to state them once for a while project | 17:06 |
| SteveA | um, whole project | 17:06 |
| philiKON | uh | 17:06 |
| fdrake | can't do that for normal XML, and we want normal XML | 17:06 |
| philiKON | yes | 17:06 |
| philiKON | +1 for dull, spec-compliant XML | 17:06 |
| fdrake | the catch really is fragments (like portlets, etc.) | 17:06 |
| mgedmin | precisely | 17:06 |
| philiKON | what about them? | 17:06 |
| fdrake | where the namespace context is in the referencing document | 17:06 |
| philiKON | ah | 17:07 |
| SteveA | for normal software developers, these are just dead chickens | 17:07 |
| mgedmin | I once constructed recursive trees with a .pt for every node | 17:07 |
| SteveA | the framework should make it optional to write these things | 17:07 |
| mgedmin | and got xmlns declarations on every output element | 17:07 |
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| fdrake | I'd rather be safe and make fragments documents with a top-level element w/ namespaces | 17:07 |
| fdrake | and use tal:omit-tag="" if desired | 17:07 |
| philiKON | yup | 17:07 |
| SteveA | this is going to really put off non-xml-zealots | 17:07 |
| mgedmin | the same solution just occurred to me now | 17:08 |
| mgedmin | but not N years ago, when I encountered the problem ;) | 17:08 |
| philiKON | mgedmin, having xmlns attributes flying around everywhere is maybe ugly, but it's at least safe | 17:08 |
| mgedmin | philiKON, you could say the same thing about Java! | 17:08 |
| SteveA | noooo | 17:08 |
| fdrake | anything that side-steps a specification, that's bad | 17:09 |
| SteveA | really, this is a bunch of dead chickens | 17:09 |
| philiKON | mgedmin, if it's in the *output*, i don't care | 17:09 |
| philiKON | mgedmin, you were complaining about the outpout... | 17:09 |
| SteveA | i'm talking about the input files | 17:09 |
| philiKON | yes, SteveA, i wasn't talking to you though | 17:09 |
| philiKON | :) | 17:09 |
| philiKON | i would have a hard time arguing with you, because I agree on the dead chickens part, but I'm also tired of Zope doing its | 17:10 |
| philiKON | own non-standard compliant thing all the time | 17:10 |
| SteveA | so, just to get it straight, is there a proposal to make xmlns stuff mandatory for all page templates that programmers and ui people write? | 17:10 |
| fdrake | no | 17:11 |
| fdrake | I'm not proposing remove HTML-mode input. | 17:11 |
| SteveA | i'd be happy making people write well formed xml fragments as input | 17:11 |
| fdrake | I'm proposing that output is always XHTML-mode. | 17:11 |
| SteveA | i think that's a good thing | 17:11 |
| SteveA | my UI guy is happy with the idea of always outputting xhtml mode | 17:12 |
| MacYET_ | then all our applications would break :) | 17:12 |
| fdrake | So do I, but there are too many backward compatibility problems. | 17:12 |
| philiKON | fdrake, wait, i thought this was all about the input? | 17:12 |
| fdrake | No, there are two aspects: | 17:12 |
| fdrake | - we want explicit input mode control for templates | 17:13 |
| fdrake | - we want to use macros across modes | 17:13 |
| fdrake | So we want the interpreter to always handle things the same way. | 17:14 |
| fdrake | It certainly shouldn't be based on the input mode. | 17:14 |
| philiKON | so, the htmlparser is going to stick around? | 17:14 |
| fdrake | As long as folks want to use HTML input. | 17:15 |
| * philiKON decides they don't anymore... ;) | 17:15 | |
| fdrake | I wouldn't mind removing it, but others would get to do a lot of work changing templates. | 17:15 |
| fdrake | Were only it so easy! :-) | 17:15 |
| philiKON | well, let's make a Gedankenexperiment | 17:16 |
| philiKON | when would such a change be fatal? | 17:16 |
| philiKON | in Zope 3.4 or 3.5 | 17:16 |
| philiKON | lots of time to see those deprecation warnings | 17:16 |
| philiKON | lots of time to change templates | 17:16 |
| philiKON | for someone actually going to those platforms | 17:16 |
| philiKON | now, i suspect that people with HTML4 templates wanting to use Zope 3.4/3.5/... are, uh, .000001% of all Zope 3 developers? | 17:17 |
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| fdrake | hopefully no more than that | 17:17 |
| philiKON | (currently, this percentage probably doesn't even represent hdima's left leg) | 17:18 |
| fdrake | :-) | 17:18 |
| hdima | :) | 17:18 |
| philiKON | anyways, i'm going to bed | 17:19 |
| * philiKON votes for tal:mode | 17:19 | |
| fdrake | So 3.2 would need to generate a DepWarning for HTML-mode templates, then. | 17:19 |
| fdrake | bed, schmed. | 17:19 |
| philiKON | heh | 17:19 |
| fdrake | read a good book. :-) | 17:19 |
| philiKON | na, i have the flu | 17:20 |
| fdrake | ugh. | 17:20 |
| philiKON | or something like that | 17:20 |
| fdrake | hope you feel better soon! | 17:20 |
| philiKON | +1 on 3.2 deprecating html mode input | 17:20 |
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| fdrake | are there still any objections to removing HTML mode output? | 17:20 |
| fdrake | sounds like not in this group | 17:21 |
| philiKON | better ask on the list :) | 17:21 |
| fdrake | well, there is that... | 17:21 |
| philiKON | so, let's get this straight | 17:21 |
| philiKON | xhtml mode is like xml mode | 17:21 |
| philiKON | except... | 17:21 |
| philiKON | - it adds the space for singleton tags | 17:21 |
| philiKON | - ... what else? | 17:21 |
| philiKON | (xhtml mode meaning xhtml OUTPUT mode) | 17:21 |
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| fdrake | there is no "xhtml" mode; there never has been | 17:22 |
| fdrake | HTML mode produces XHTML | 17:23 |
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| fdrake | where it handles an element at all | 17:23 |
| philiKON | i thougth we're inventing it here | 17:23 |
| philiKON | ok | 17:23 |
| fdrake | ah; ok, if we want to give the changes a name, that's fine | 17:23 |
| philiKON | HTML input mode -> xhtml output mode, yes? | 17:23 |
| fdrake | it would be the only output mode | 17:23 |
| * philiKON is confused | 17:24 | |
| philiKON | we have two inputs modes, right? HTML and XML, yes? | 17:24 |
| philiKON | what output modes are there right now? | 17:24 |
| fdrake | right | 17:24 |
| fdrake | HTML and XML | 17:24 |
| philiKON | ok | 17:24 |
| philiKON | and you're proposing to make them XHTML and XML output modes, right? | 17:24 |
| fdrake | we want to remove HTML output mode for 3.2 | 17:24 |
| fdrake | no | 17:25 |
| fdrake | I'm proposing that XML mode would follow the XHTML compat guidelines (" />" etc.) | 17:25 |
| fdrake | and remove HTML mode | 17:25 |
| philiKON | ok | 17:25 |
| philiKON | and in addition to that, i'm proposing to deprecate HTML mode | 17:25 |
| fdrake | so we get XHTML w/ b/w compat conventions if we have HTML-esque input | 17:25 |
| fdrake | for input | 17:26 |
| philiKON | and in addition to that, i'm proposing to deprecate HTML input mode | 17:26 |
| fdrake | for XML that isn't XHTML, we still get XML, but it happens to use the XHTML compat conventions | 17:26 |
| philiKON | yeah | 17:26 |
| philiKON | that's fine, i think | 17:27 |
| philiKON | zpt always does stuff with the whitespace, so this'd just be another whitespace thing of zpts | 17:27 |
| fdrake | RSS, etc., will be happy enough with that since syntactic equivalence is provided by the XML spec | 17:27 |
| fdrake | right | 17:27 |
| philiKON | summary before i go to bed: +1 on consolidating the output modes; as you know, i'd also like to go further and deprecate html input mode, and instead of sniffing based on the <?xml ?> processing instruction, i propose a (temporary, since html is going to go away anyways) tal:mode attr on the documentelement. | 17:29 |
| fdrake | 1) we agree on output mode consolidation | 17:30 |
| fdrake | 2) we agree on deprecation of HTML input mode | 17:30 |
| fdrake | 3) I'll think about the tal:mode attribute vs. sniffing for XML namespaces to trigger XML mode | 17:31 |
| fdrake | tal:mode would still require declaring the TAL namespace | 17:31 |
| fdrake | :-) | 17:31 |
| philiKON | not in HTML mode :) | 17:31 |
| fdrake | right; HTML mode doesn't change at all | 17:32 |
| fdrake | other than generating a warning | 17:32 |
| philiKON | yup | 17:32 |
| philiKON | ok, g'night everyone then | 17:33 |
| fdrake | g'nite! | 17:33 |
| faassen | philiKON: good night! | 17:36 |
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| MacYET_ | philiKON: this was before you were born :) | 17:40 |
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| philiKON | MacYET_, and you were what at the time? shitting into diapers? | 17:41 |
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| MacYET_ | LOL | 17:42 |
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| regebro | Hi all! | 18:37 |
| benji_york | hi there | 18:37 |
| regebro | If I try to get a view I declared for a specific interface, | 18:37 |
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| regebro | for an object that gets that interface via a ZCML statement, | 18:37 |
| regebro | this should work fine, right? | 18:38 |
| benji_york | right | 18:38 |
| SteveA | there is a zcml statement that says a class implements an additional interface | 18:38 |
| SteveA | so that will cause instances of that class to provide that interface | 18:38 |
| regebro | Yeah, well it doesn't so there is something else wrong. :( | 18:38 |
| SteveA | so it will be lookupable as a view | 18:38 |
| regebro | So I'm in the interesting situation of figuring out why a broswer:page statement evidently doesnät work, with no error messages. | 18:40 |
| regebro | Hohoho. So much fun. Already waster two hours. | 18:40 |
| SteveA | take the object you're getting the view on | 18:40 |
| SteveA | and inspect its interfaces | 18:40 |
| SteveA | using the zope.interface API | 18:40 |
| SteveA | and check that it provides what you expect it to | 18:40 |
| SteveA | next, check your request is a standard request | 18:41 |
| regebro | It does provide that, yes. | 18:41 |
| regebro | Yup, request is a normal fine standard http request. | 18:42 |
| SteveA | are you sure your browser:page zcml is being read in? | 18:42 |
| SteveA | add a syntax or semantic error to it | 18:42 |
| regebro | Well, the rest o fthe file is being read, so..., but I'll check. | 18:43 |
| regebro | Yeah, getting rid of permission makes it complain. :) | 18:44 |
| SteveA | okay. try this. | 18:47 |
| SteveA | make a new interface unlike anything else | 18:47 |
| regebro | Nope! I just found the error! :) | 18:47 |
| SteveA | make your class implement that marker interface, and register the view for that | 18:47 |
| SteveA | cool | 18:48 |
| SteveA | what was it? | 18:48 |
| regebro | Well, the Presentation service was not available at the time I registered the page. | 18:48 |
| SteveA | interesting. i'm surprised the zcml action didn't fail | 18:49 |
| regebro | Yeah, me too. | 18:49 |
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| regebro | I thought it might be a Five-thing, but no, Zope 3.0.0 does the same. | 18:51 |
| regebro | It wraps the getGlobalService for Presentation in a try/except and passes if it fails. | 18:52 |
| SteveA | hmm | 18:52 |
| SteveA | looks like a bug / misfeature | 18:52 |
| regebro | If that hasn't been changed in 3.1, we probably want to add a log error there... | 18:52 |
| regebro | Yup. | 18:53 |
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| MacYET_ | is there a z3 product area? | 18:53 |
| d2m | http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope3-Packages was created long ago | 18:56 |
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| regebro | Oeeeuuhhh... There is smoe kind of subtle magic going on here. | 18:59 |
| regebro | Both Zope 3.0.0. and five does this when a page is registered: | 19:00 |
| regebro | getGlobalService(Presentation) | 19:00 |
| regebro | And both completely ignored the result. | 19:00 |
| regebro | I mean, they do | 19:00 |
| regebro | s = getGlobalService(Presentation) | 19:00 |
| regebro | and s is never used. | 19:00 |
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| SteveA | regebro: seeing a variable called 's' is worthy of a bug in itself | 19:34 |
| regebro | Yup. | 19:35 |
| regebro | OK, I checked, it's gone in trunk. | 19:36 |
| regebro | And the bug was indeed a fivebug. | 19:36 |
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| clueck | Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit! I can't login as admin anymore. | 20:59 |
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| benji_york | clueck, did you forget the password? | 21:00 |
| clueck | I removed all the default Credebtials Plugins from the PAU for the root folder, except a Session Credentials Plugin. | 21:00 |
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| clueck | Now there is in error when I call login.html | 21:01 |
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| benji_york | clueck, go to http://192.168.0.42:8080/++etc++site/@@contents.html | 21:02 |
| benji_york | oops, that IP should have been "localhost" (or whatever IP you have your server running on) | 21:05 |
| benji_york | from there you should be able to navigate to "default" and then fix your PAU | 21:05 |
| clueck | benji_york, wait a second | 21:06 |
| clueck | benyji_york, no, I can't access it, because I'm not logged in | 21:10 |
| benji_york | hmm, I'm confused... I have an instance here that doesn't even have a PAU, and it works... | 21:11 |
| benji_york | perhaps you can go into the database and remove the PAU alltogether and then log in | 21:11 |
| benji_york | (but I suspect there is an easier answer) | 21:12 |
| clueck | I think the reason is that I have a Session Credentials Plugin as first Plugin in the PAU for the root folder | 21:12 |
| clueck | I can still login as users which are registered in the Authenticator Plugin (Principal Folder) for the PAU | 21:15 |
| benji_york | yep, I just reproduced your problem | 21:15 |
| clueck | but not as admin | 21:15 |
| clueck | well, yes, I could start the debugger and remove the PAU alltogether | 21:16 |
| benji_york | clueck, got it; here's what you do... | 21:18 |
| clueck | ! | 21:18 |
| benji_york | go to http://admin:admin@localhost:8080/++etc++site/default/ | 21:19 |
| benji_york | (substitute admin user name and password and server name) | 21:19 |
| clueck | hm, now there seems to be a cookie problem | 21:21 |
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| clueck | hm, the browser does not block any cookies, I yust checked | 21:26 |
| benji_york | I don't understand | 21:26 |
| clueck | it says something about a redirection limit | 21:26 |
| clueck | and I don't understand it, too | 21:27 |
| benji_york | it sounds like the username and/or password were wrong and it tried to redirect to a page that you can't see, so it tried to redirect again and got into a redirection loop, verify the username and password you put in the URL (http://user:pass@server....) | 21:28 |
| benji_york | (also, try in a "clean" browser, i.e. one you haven't logged into the site with recently) | 21:30 |
| clueck | yes, I yust did that | 21:30 |
| clueck | It wants to redirect to login.html | 21:31 |
| benji_york | that suggests that you got the user/pass wrong | 21:31 |
| clueck | impossible, in the url it is clear text, not ***** | 21:33 |
| benji_york | if you say so, If I use the wrong password (or the wrong URL) I get the same results, don't know what to say | 21:34 |
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| clueck | yes, I'm sure, yust compared it with etc/principals.zcml | 21:38 |
| benji_york | can you paste the URL here? | 21:39 |
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| clueck | http://admin:password@localhost:8080/++etc++site/default | 21:40 |
| clueck | admin is admin, password is something else | 21:40 |
| benji_york | hmm, strange, in firefox I get the same result as you, but in opera 8.5 it works | 21:44 |
| clueck | I used Konqueror as a 'clean' browser, firefox and mozilla seamonkey complained about the redirection limit | 21:46 |
| benji_york | another data point, firefox on windows (same version 1.0.7) seems to work, but not linux | 21:46 |
| benji_york | do you have a windows box handy? :) | 21:47 |
| clueck | debian linux | 21:47 |
| clueck | I'll install opera and try | 21:47 |
| benji_york | right, but do you have a windows box with firefox on it? | 21:47 |
| benji_york | ok, I was using Opera on Windows, perhaps it'll work on Linux | 21:48 |
| clueck | no, all Win-Boxes are running linux now :( | 21:48 |
| benji_york | well, opera 8 on linux exhibits the same problem | 21:50 |
| clueck | that's strange | 21:51 |
| clueck | the first time I wish to have a win-box | 21:51 |
| benji_york | :) | 21:51 |
| clueck | I'll try to organize one -- that will take some time | 21:52 |
| clueck | benji_york: THANKS! | 21:53 |
| benji_york | NP | 21:53 |
| benji_york | you might try with Opera 8.5 (I used 8) before building a box just for this | 21:53 |
| benji_york | (and the "delete the PAU" option might be better than building a Windows box, and there may well be other options I haven't thought of) | 21:53 |
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| clueck | you're right, I'd rather like to learn about Z3 and using the debugger that Win | 21:56 |
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| clueck | benji_york, I have managed it :-) | 23:05 |
| benji_york | GREAT! | 23:05 |
| clueck | cURL works on linux | 23:05 |
| benji_york | very imaginative :) | 23:06 |
| clueck | so curl http://admin:password@localhost:8080/++etc++site/default/PluggableAuthentication/@@undo.html succeeded | 23:06 |
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| benji_york | I'll have to remember that one :) | 23:06 |
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