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| newpers | bob2, ayt? | 03:34 |
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| bob2 | ciao | 03:35 |
| newpers | sorry, I stepped out for a sec | 03:46 |
| newpers | yesterday, you mentioned that you might be interested in working on a project. are you still interested? | 03:46 |
| newpers | msg me when you can, bob2 | 03:48 |
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| romanofski | moin :) | 11:01 |
| romanofski | the tutorial here is a bit confusing, because it suggests to use python 2.3.5, but python 2.4 is needed: http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/SettingUpAZope3Sandbox | 11:02 |
| romanofski | I tried to change it, but I don't have the permission to do so | 11:02 |
| d2m | romanofski: Makefile says python2.4 too | 11:05 |
| d2m | romanofski: i'll change the link to http://www.python.org/2.4/ | 11:06 |
| romanofski | thanks - well... I was a bit confused about the makefile | 11:07 |
| romanofski | and I changed the python version to 2.3, because this doc proposed to use python 2.3 :) | 11:07 |
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| projekt01 | philiKON, hi | 12:49 |
| projekt01 | did you found the custom widget bug? | 12:50 |
| philiKON | not custom widget | 12:50 |
| philiKON | list widget | 12:50 |
| philiKON | list widget inside object widget, in particular | 12:50 |
| philiKON | i will try to file a bug report on this if i manage to reproduce in zope 3 | 12:51 |
| philiKON | (this was discovered in five) | 12:51 |
| projekt01 | Does this really work? I guess the IObject widget usecases are not well tested. | 12:51 |
| projekt01 | I'm not surprised if you will find a bug in a IObject field - widget combination;-) | 12:53 |
| philiKON | well | 12:53 |
| philiKON | it should work | 12:53 |
| philiKON | we have unit tests | 12:54 |
| philiKON | :) | 12:54 |
| philiKON | seriously, object widgets work quite ok | 12:54 |
| philiKON | even in five they worked | 12:54 |
| philiKON | but i had to make a fixin five to make them more robust with list widgets | 12:54 |
| philiKON | which was a tested use case in five functional tests | 12:54 |
| philiKON | it doesn't seem so in zope 3 | 12:54 |
| philiKON | which is why the bug was probably never discovered | 12:54 |
| philiKON | i'll investigate if i have time | 12:54 |
| philiKON | my priorities are with five today, though | 12:55 |
| projekt01 | I guess this usecase is not tested in z3 | 12:55 |
| projekt01 | Ok | 12:55 |
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| tiredbones | benji, after I added the attribute "menu" and "title" to the directive browser:page, I then restart zope and click on the hello object where I the get a sytem error message.The log said that I have a ValueError in list.index(x) x not in list. From the log it is not obivous what I did wrong. If I remove those attributes it works, if I add them I get the error. Is there something else I should change? Should the "for" statement be left | 16:54 |
| tiredbones | in? | 16:54 |
| benji | tiredbones, pastebin your configure.zcml | 16:58 |
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| tiredbones | benji, http://pastebin.com/413287 | 17:05 |
| mp | what is xmlns for metal: tal: and i18n: ? | 17:06 |
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| mp | xml.zope.org/namespaces/metal ... | 17:07 |
| benji | tiredbones, when you use the menu and title directives, for has to be given an interface, re-read the part of the quick start titled "Adding Menu Entries" | 17:13 |
| tiredbones | benji, ok thanks. I get it now. | 17:16 |
| benji | great! | 17:20 |
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| tiredbones | benji, I want to thank-you for your time and a well thought out start guide.I will have to read it couple more time befor I feel comfortable with it. Thanks again. | 17:26 |
| benji | NP, tiredbones, glad you're getting some use out of it | 17:26 |
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| benji | tarek, I read your blog entry on your IDE search, I recommend Vim :) | 18:38 |
| tarek | hello benji | 18:38 |
| * philiKON recommends emacs ;) | 18:38 | |
| philiKON | flame war! | 18:38 |
| tarek | I hear you guys :) | 18:38 |
| philiKON | hehe, seriously | 18:39 |
| benji | :) | 18:39 |
| philiKON | looks like tarek is looking for a real IDE | 18:39 |
| tarek | hehe | 18:39 |
| philiKON | with all those crazy features | 18:39 |
| philiKON | i bet emacs could be taught all of them... | 18:39 |
| benji | vim/emacs definately have crazy features :) | 18:39 |
| philiKON | yes. | 18:40 |
| philiKON | i know code completion is possible with emacs | 18:40 |
| philiKON | don't use it myself though | 18:40 |
| philiKON | dunno about that "decent learning curve" :) | 18:40 |
| tarek | is it hard to set up code completion in emacs/vim ? | 18:41 |
| philiKON | tarek, i know J1m has it :) | 18:41 |
| tarek | pydev rocks about this | 18:41 |
| tarek | but it eats too much ram | 18:41 |
| J1m | huh? | 18:41 |
| philiKON | "good enough code cleaning: trailing spaces removal" is possible with emacs: M-x delete-trailing-whitespace | 18:41 |
| philiKON | J1m, you're using code completion in yoru emacs, right? | 18:42 |
| philiKON | tarek, what is "bad syntax notifier:the bug Stani's Python Editor pops is great" ? | 18:42 |
| tarek | yes most of them have this | 18:42 |
| J1m | I dunno. What is code completion? | 18:42 |
| philiKON | J1m, you start typing a class name, hit tab, and it finishes the name for you | 18:42 |
| tarek | philiKON, when you're on a file, it hilites bad syntax | 18:42 |
| andrew_m | does it also complete a function.. heck an application? | 18:43 |
| J1m | philiKON, that works for any token | 18:43 |
| philiKON | J1m, right | 18:43 |
| J1m | It isn't specific to a particular language or to programming | 18:43 |
| philiKON | J1m, as history does in emacs :) | 18:43 |
| J1m | works the same for text | 18:43 |
| J1m | That | 18:43 |
| J1m | That's the dabbrev-expand command, normally bount to <meta>-/ | 18:44 |
| J1m | I have it bound to caps-lock. | 18:44 |
| philiKON | i only ever use auto completion in nxml-mode, but there it's not the standard completion thing that does it based on occurring words. it actually checks the DTD whetehr a subelement or attribute is allowed there... | 18:44 |
| philiKON | lol, caps-lock | 18:44 |
| J1m | Turns an evil key into a hero key, :) | 18:44 |
| philiKON | *grin* | 18:45 |
| benji | tarek, Vim's completion pretty much works by default | 18:45 |
| philiKON | i just never got around learning the vim keyboard shortcuts. the emacs ones are pretty standard, even in bash | 18:46 |
| philiKON | (Ctrl+A, Ctrl-E, etc.) | 18:46 |
| * tarek needs to try vim | 18:47 | |
| benji | philiKON, my shell of choice, zsh, looks at your $EDITOR variable to decide which key bindings to use; less uses VI keys, gnu screen uses VI keys, etc. | 18:47 |
| tarek | benji, can you debug in vim ? (add break points, etc) | 18:48 |
| benji | I don't like it, but there are plugins that do it | 18:48 |
| benji | emacs has a really nice pdb mode too (that J1m uses) | 18:48 |
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| philiKON | pdbtrack | 18:49 |
| philiKON | it rocks | 18:49 |
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| tarek | ok let me add one more line in my blog entry then ;) | 18:49 |
| benji | let me clarify, I don't like debugging inside an editor, but there are Vim plugins that do it (pida is *very* nice) | 18:50 |
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| tarek | i hear you | 18:51 |
| benji | tarek, see http://pida.berlios.de/index.php/Vim for more info | 18:52 |
| tarek | ok thx benji | 18:53 |
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| JoaoJoao | Do you ppl know of some doc on Zope3 vs J2EE so I can show my boss when he wants to make me use J2EE? | 18:57 |
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| srichter | tarek: WingIDE is nice; once 2.1 comes out with rectangle edit support, I will have another look at it | 19:11 |
| runyaga | srichter, have you seen SPE? | 19:11 |
| runyaga | its cute and small | 19:11 |
| srichter | the debugger is really nice, I want to use it | 19:11 |
| tarek | srichter, i am trying it right now but i have a strange behavior with <tab> | 19:11 |
| srichter | I am not in the process of evaluating IDEs; the only contender is WingIDE because of its awesome debugging features | 19:12 |
| tarek | runyaga, SPE is cool, but I had a bad bug with french files (UnidoceDecodeErro on save -> file busted) | 19:12 |
| runyaga | tarek, ack.. I'm looking at SPE as a IDE for Plone because it has encrypted remote debugging and some other nicities like kiwi and friends | 19:12 |
| runyaga | i've heard great things bout wing | 19:13 |
| tarek | oh cool | 19:13 |
| tarek | yeah i've read Joel Burton uses it to debug zope | 19:13 |
| srichter | tarek: just send Stephan an E-mail; he is very responsive | 19:13 |
| tarek | srichter, i will | 19:13 |
| tarek | drpython impressed me with the plugin features | 19:13 |
| srichter | are the Zope mailing lists down? I have not gotten a message all morning. | 19:17 |
| tarek | srichter, i received membership reminders this morning, did you ? | 19:22 |
| tarek | s/did/didn't | 19:22 |
| srichter | me neither | 19:24 |
| mp | can I use wildcards (like mypackage.interfaces.*) in for="..." attributes in zcml? if not, why? ;) | 19:38 |
| benji | mp, nope, but you can arrange your interfaces so they all extend a single base interface and use that on in your "for" | 19:41 |
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| mp | hm.. is adding stuff to zope.event.subscribers in zope3 web app bad thing? should i use "upper level" api? | 21:17 |
| srichter | use a higher API by registering subscription adapters | 21:17 |
| mp | omg, so many difficult words in one sentence.. do I really have to? (not in sense "coding elegant", but in sense "not breaking things" or "doing right thing")? | 21:21 |
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| srichter | no, you don't have to | 21:25 |
| srichter | nothing will break | 21:25 |
| srichter | though don't expect much support on your custom solution | 21:26 |
| mp | so I'll leave it like I've written and I'll wait and see if I ever really need registering subscription adapters... how coult I know if they're really needed otherwise? ;) | 21:27 |
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| mp | hm, I'm leaking event handlers... | 21:38 |
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| benji | mp, ewww :) | 21:57 |
| mp | I've switched to event subscribers | 21:58 |
| mp | things still aren't obvious all the time in zope.. there should be more documentation, esp. documentation created by community | 21:59 |
| mp | but, who has time... :( | 21:59 |
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| sm | how's that zope3 site coming along | 22:02 |
| mp | I hope I'll be something.. will it be driven by zope3 itself? | 22:04 |
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| mp | I think it would be a good thing. Also, source code of the whole site should be open and written by community - folks would probably fix and tune etc things really fast.. | 22:05 |
| JoaoJoao | Recipes are welcome | 22:06 |
| mp | It could serve as a performance test | 22:06 |
| mp | recipes? | 22:06 |
| JoaoJoao | e.g. "How to create a principal source and give users from the PS different roles and permissions" | 22:07 |
| mp | you mean zope3 site will be like zopelabs site? :) | 22:09 |
| JoaoJoao | Well I didn't mean it for the Z3 site | 22:12 |
| sm | nobody knows, until it shows | 22:12 |
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