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| tiredbones | On buildbot.zope.org, what do the question marks indicate? | 00:17 |
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| benji | tiredbones, are you asking about "ETA: ?" | 00:19 |
| tiredbones | I'm not sure what it is. I just found some docs for buildbot let me read. Thanks | 00:21 |
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| srichter | J1m: what's the status with the mailing lsits? | 00:58 |
| benji | srichter, I just spoke with one of the admins, he's working on it | 01:00 |
| srichter | great! | 01:01 |
| srichter | thanks | 01:01 |
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| benji | srichter, not so great, he's gone now and I don't believe they're fixed; I'll raise the issue again tomorrow | 01:05 |
| srichter | eek | 01:08 |
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| projekt01 | srichter, ayt? | 01:47 |
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| philiKON | hey MJ | 09:49 |
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| VladDrac | is there a way to have constants/variables included in apidoc? | 13:50 |
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| srichter | VladDrac: very unlikely, since it is hard to discover which ones are useful | 14:20 |
| srichter | I have thought of it, but it is a very difficult problem | 14:20 |
| VladDrac | :\ | 14:24 |
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| baldtrol | off topic, but i'd like to say, the o'reilly twisted book cover is awesome. :) | 15:10 |
| baldtrol | either no one agrees, no one cares, or it's a boring topic. on to real questions then! multiunion out of IFTree is imported from a .so, so i'm not really sure what it does in "apply" for a field index of a catalog... i have a catalog and i can see that my indexes are increasing and decreasing as i add and delete objects, but trying "apply" with values that i think should work, doesn't, and i don't know where to start troubleshooting it... | 15:23 |
| srichter | me neither :-) | 15:26 |
| srichter | isn't there a python implementation as well? | 15:26 |
| baldtrol | could be... but i know that BTrees.IFTree is actually just an import of * from _IFTree.so at the top level of the zope install :\ | 15:26 |
| baldtrol | i can look for a python implementation. i don't even mind scouring over the C, i just don't see the source for it around | 15:27 |
| baldtrol | but i'm notoriously oblivious to things ;) | 15:27 |
| srichter | search for the .c file | 15:28 |
| baldtrol | ah-hah! i thought i did that before and couldn't find it. sorry about that. i found it in the zopetrunk svn checkout i have. | 15:29 |
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| baldtrol | looking at SetOpTemplate.c (which is where multiunion_m is defined), i think i may misunderstand how one is to search a field index... i guess i had been under the impression that, based on the field_name and the interface, the search against would merely compare in the fashion "apply({'name' : value})" where value was some str... is just wrong? and if so, how does one go about searching a field index? | 15:39 |
| srichter | (note that I am not replying, since I have no clue about the indeces and catalog code) | 15:40 |
| baldtrol | *grin* no problem | 15:42 |
| baldtrol | since i can't think of a way to make them work, does anyone know of a better way to make content searchable by object type/name that doesn't need a catalog? i have insurance agency applications that can be filled out online, emails off a pdf, generates a pdf for the potential agent, etc... but my marketing dept needs a way to search through them by name, not just in the year/month archive i have it do when an application is complete... | 15:48 |
| baldtrol | or is "searchable content" pretty much synonymous with "find a way to use a catalog and index"? | 15:49 |
| srichter | yes | 15:52 |
| baldtrol | drat! | 15:53 |
| baldtrol | heh | 15:53 |
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| srichter | J1m: benji: What's the status of the MLs? | 16:30 |
| J1m | Our SAs don't have time to work on them right now. | 16:46 |
| J1m | Does anyone here know anything about mailman administration? | 16:47 |
| * philiKON knows a bit | 16:47 | |
| * philiKON knows nothing about debugging a wedged mailman, though | 16:47 | |
| J1m | ugh | 16:47 |
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| __mac__ | How do I install a local utility in python code (not via zmi)? | 18:02 |
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| GaryPoster | I wrote an email to zope.users a month or so ago that details it. Someone else recently pointed to it and also offered code | 18:11 |
| GaryPoster | __mac__: see http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-users/2005-October/001333.html, and http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-users/2005-September/001078.html and other parts of the thread. | 18:15 |
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| __mac__ | thx, GaryPoster ... where gets the method makesite from the 001078.html called, to do the install only once? | 18:28 |
| GaryPoster | __mac__: the makesite method is intended to be a model for you to follow. You'll need to write your own, doing the jobs you need. | 18:31 |
| __mac__ | GaryPoster: yes, this is clear, my question is where to call the mehtod ... in plone I would do it in Extensions/Install.py so it is called by portal_quickinstaller ... how is it done in zope3? | 18:33 |
| GaryPoster | __mac__: Oh, I see your question. The example is of creating a site, as you would do if you were writing a factory to be called from the add menu. If you want to add a utility to an already-created site, and you don't want to do it through the TTW ++etc++site stuff, then I'm not sure how you want it to work, so I don't know what to tell you. Pretty much we either add a site whole-cloth, including utilities and so on, or we use the ++etc++site TTW st | 18:40 |
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| tarek | GaryPoster ayt ? | 19:11 |
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| GaryPoster | hey tarek. yes | 19:11 |
| tarek | just got your mail | 19:12 |
| GaryPoster | does it make any sense, or do you think I'm off-base? | 19:12 |
| * tarek looks | 19:13 | |
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| philiKON | J1m, afaik, zope.formlib will be part of zope 3.2. should it also be part of zope 2.9? | 19:35 |
| philiKON | J1m, same goes for zope.testbrowser, i guess | 19:42 |
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| efge | hm I'm realizing that the inheritance hierarchy for object events is a pain | 19:43 |
| xerophyte | srichter, where is your book source ? i mean example source | 19:43 |
| xerophyte | in the svn can you give me the exact url for svn | 19:43 |
| efge | it would be much better if IObjectMovedEvent subclassed both IObjectAddedEvent and IObjectRemovedEvent | 19:43 |
| efge | but I guess it's too late now... | 19:43 |
| philiKON | why | 19:44 |
| philiKON | too late for zope 3.2 and 2.9, yes | 19:44 |
| philiKON | but if something sucks, it should be changed | 19:44 |
| xerophyte | philiKON, do you where can i find the zope developpers book example code in the svn | 19:44 |
| efge | changing the inheritance hierarchy would make a number of things break | 19:44 |
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| philiKON | xerophyte, sorry, no... trying looking through http://svn.zope.org, maybe it's there | 19:45 |
| philiKON | efge, than they need to be fixed ;) | 19:45 |
| srichter | http://svn.zope.org/book/trunk/ | 19:45 |
| efge | philiKON: oh I agree, but these are very public interfaces and lots of 3rd party code would have to change too | 19:46 |
| efge | or just reinvent a hierarchy of events and send both in parallel... hm. | 19:46 |
| srichter | efge: there was a huge discussion at the time those ifaces were developed | 19:46 |
| srichter | having move inherit add and delete has other huge issues | 19:47 |
| philiKON | efge, ah, that would work... | 19:47 |
| efge | srichter: yes they're useful for different use cases | 19:47 |
| philiKON | well, why have them inerhit at all | 19:47 |
| philiKON | subscribers can just listen to multiple event types | 19:47 |
| efge | the ones I have now would really benefit from the other way around :) | 19:47 |
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| xerophyte | svn co http://svn.zope.org/book/trunk/ book | 19:48 |
| xerophyte | svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/book/trunk' | 19:48 |
| xerophyte | svn: PROPFIND of '/book/trunk': 301 Moved (http://svn.zope.org) | 19:48 |
| xerophyte | srichter, ??/ | 19:48 |
| efge | for instance here if I want to know if an object has a "new location", I can't subscriber IObjectAddedEvent as it doesn't take into account moves. So I have to subscriber to IObjectMovedEvent and filter out by hand the moves that are just removals | 19:49 |
| philiKON | xerophyte, you can't check it out like that | 19:49 |
| philiKON | xerophyte, viewcvs != svn repo | 19:49 |
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| xerophyte | how can i check out that | 19:49 |
| philiKON | xerophyte, svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/... | 19:49 |
| srichter | xerophyte: because you have to use the real SVN repo for this as mentioned in the book | 19:49 |
| philiKON | it's documented int he wiki | 19:49 |
| xerophyte | philiKON, you have link i could not find it | 19:51 |
| philiKON | sorry, just google | 19:51 |
| philiKON | i would have to google to | 19:51 |
| philiKON | too | 19:51 |
| xerophyte | svn co svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/book/trunk book | 19:52 |
| xerophyte | that worked | 19:52 |
| xerophyte | but i could not find the document which explain | 19:53 |
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| efge | srichter: see the doc at http://pastebin.com/414998 where the end shows clearly that the interfaces currently suck :) | 20:10 |
| efge | I'd welcome a pointer to the old discussion if someone remembers when that took place | 20:10 |
| srichter | I'll note that I was not part of this discussion and I do not plan to join in right now | 20:12 |
| srichter | I was merely making a comment that this was discussed in length | 20:12 |
| efge | ok | 20:12 |
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| efge | ok I found the original proposal, http://www.zope.org/DevHome/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/SimplifyObjectLifecycleAndLocationEvents | 20:28 |
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| srichter | J1m: are you updating zope.testing in Zope 3, so I can benefit from your -p option improvements? :-) | 23:42 |
| srichter | nevermind, I just do it | 23:47 |
| srichter | (now I love the testrunner again ;-) | 23:47 |
| xerophyte | srichter, how can i debug the messageboard example just wondering with zope3 | 23:49 |
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| srichter | you use pdb | 23:50 |
| srichter | import pdb; pdb.set_trace() | 23:51 |
| srichter | and print statements | 23:51 |
| xerophyte | does the zope3 display some errors | 23:52 |
| xerophyte | where you can check why it didnt get loaded | 23:52 |
| srichter | by introducing an error in the ZCML file | 23:53 |
| srichter | if the ZCML loading fails, you know it got loaded | 23:53 |
| xerophyte | and | 23:53 |
| xerophyte | i just checkout your example and movex to the src folder and trying to load | 23:53 |
| xerophyte | imean zope2 does say when you have problem to load modules am i right | 23:54 |
| xerophyte | doesn't the zope3 tell you why it could load the module xyz | 23:54 |
| srichter | sure | 23:55 |
| srichter | but you need to add a file to package-includes that points to the messageboard ZCML file | 23:56 |
| xerophyte | oh | 23:56 |
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