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| projekt01 | Hi | 00:52 |
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| srichter | hi | 00:52 |
| projekt01 | How you doing? | 00:52 |
| srichter | pretty good | 00:53 |
| projekt01 | I'm reading the mails about events from dominik, what do you think about it? | 00:53 |
| srichter | nothing; I am not actively following the discussion :-) | 00:54 |
| projekt01 | It's just about a additional "container modified event" | 00:55 |
| srichter | yeah, I know the subject, I just have not followed the arguments in detail | 00:55 |
| projekt01 | Dominiks project is heavy based on events, that's the reason he recognized some miss behavior now | 00:57 |
| projekt01 | btw, I'm also not lucky with the quick changes without a proposal | 00:59 |
| srichter | you mean happy? | 01:01 |
| projekt01 | Yes | 01:01 |
| srichter | bring up the issue on the mailing list in a separate mailk | 01:01 |
| srichter | others might agree with you | 01:01 |
| projekt01 | Dominik was describing it already in a mail. | 01:05 |
| srichter | no, describe that you have an issue with not having a proposal | 01:07 |
| projekt01 | Ah Ok, will do. | 01:07 |
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| projekt01 | efge, hi | 02:25 |
| efge | hi | 02:25 |
| projekt01 | I sent a answer to your mail | 02:26 |
| efge | sorry about shouting but that was after answering another mail about this that got me really over the top | 02:28 |
| projekt01 | np ;-) | 02:28 |
| efge | projekt01: do you mean you tested on explicit event class ? I can understand that breaking, yes | 02:28 |
| JoaoJoao | hello | 02:29 |
| efge | projekt01: so your pb is about the specializing of objectmodifed to containermodified ? | 02:29 |
| projekt01 | >>> [event.__class__.__name__ for event in events] | 02:29 |
| projekt01 | ['ObjectCopiedEvent', 'ObjectAddedEvent', 'ContainerModifiedEvent'] | 02:29 |
| projekt01 | If somebody was testing this before he got different class names | 02:30 |
| efge | yes, but you agree that some such changes are necessary, right? This kind of things (breaking tests) happen. | 02:31 |
| efge | and in that case that's really only tests that break, because I can't see any real code testing for event classes explicitely | 02:31 |
| projekt01 | no, not in my app. Dominik was calling me today and reported some tests in his application. This application is heavy based on events. | 02:32 |
| projekt01 | That's the reason why he is afraid about event concept changes | 02:32 |
| projekt01 | tests/failing tests | 02:33 |
| efge | fixing the tests would take a few minutes, no? | 02:34 |
| efge | everybody else seem to agree on my changes | 02:34 |
| projekt01 | Yes, but I don't know about dominik | 02:34 |
| efge | frankly a full fledged proposal for this is ridiculous | 02:34 |
| JoaoJoao | I'm a little lost on this: I have a list of QuestionTypes, and then I'd need to associate a Question to a single QuestionType, how could I do it in Z3? | 02:35 |
| efge | dominik suggest using something that is really impractical | 02:35 |
| efge | and I don't remember seeing a proposal for the modification descriptions either | 02:36 |
| efge | projekt01: anyway I have to go, more on this tomorrow I guess :) | 02:36 |
| efge | bye | 02:36 |
| projekt01 | For me, your implementations seems straight forward. But I know dominik has a huge application interacting with SAP and he is using batches and events for import files and reorganize them in IContainers | 02:37 |
| projekt01 | efge, see you | 02:37 |
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| d2m | is anyone using zsync or fssync with the trunk ? this is broken for some month now (http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/480) , i am curious how it works ... | 11:11 |
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| projekt01 | mkerin, is it possible to use another log file format with the twisted web server. Right now only the "common" format is supported. | 14:09 |
| agroszer | projekt01: Hi, I'd like to ask you if you still have interest in the z3ecm ecm.workflow package? | 14:14 |
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| mkerrin | projekt01: not yet - but it should be very simple to implement the different logging formatters has utilities and call them by name from within zope.conf | 14:40 |
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| andres | I read in a old email that zc wanted to release some widgets (before 3.0). Has this ever happened? I search a more usefull datetime widget... | 15:53 |
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| benji | no, andres, it hasn't happened | 16:04 |
| benji | :( | 16:04 |
| andres | are there still plans to do that? | 16:04 |
| benji | I have a date-time widget I'd like to release, but it'll have to wait until after the feature freeze for 3.2 | 16:05 |
| projekt01 | agroszer, how do you mean that? | 16:06 |
| andres | benji, propably no interest in an additional tester ;-) | 16:07 |
| benji | :) | 16:07 |
| projekt01 | mkerrin, Ok, I will take a look at this. I was thinking twisted uses a hard coded "accesslog" handler. | 16:07 |
| agroszer | projekt01: As I see you did it, and I found some bugs and problems | 16:07 |
| benji | well, it needs some work, but I'd be willing to put it in the sand box if you want to poish it and get it ready for wider release | 16:08 |
| agroszer | even have some fixes | 16:08 |
| agroszer | but they just lay around as tickets in the z3ecm trac | 16:08 |
| projekt01 | agroszer, I stopped working on the repository and implemented a custom workflow application. I don't use it right now. | 16:09 |
| andres | benji, i can try to, but i cant promise anything | 16:09 |
| benji | sure, no strings attached :) | 16:09 |
| projekt01 | agroszer, feel free to fix and refactor whatever is needed | 16:09 |
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| agroszer | I see, so I should bug the z3ecm guys, right? | 16:10 |
| projekt01 | andres, use the misho calendar widget from Tiks: svn://svn.tiks.org/repos/Tiks/trunk/src/tiks/widgets/calendar | 16:10 |
| projekt01 | agroszer, just ask efge for commit access and check in your bugfix. The z3ecm wirkflow right now isn't useable I guess. | 16:11 |
| projekt01 | wirkflow/workflow | 16:12 |
| agroszer | projekt01: no, actually it is working with some minor flaws | 16:12 |
| projekt01 | agroszer, cool. Do you use it already? | 16:14 |
| agroszer | projekt01: I will, and I will have to make it keep the workflow definition persistent | 16:15 |
| agroszer | as I remember Stephan forwarded an email to you also about it | 16:15 |
| agroszer | we had a small discussion about this subject | 16:16 |
| projekt01 | Why do you need persistent wf defs? | 16:16 |
| agroszer | I have to create a document management app | 16:17 |
| agroszer | so the users have to be able to define the workflow on site | 16:17 |
| projekt01 | Cool | 16:17 |
| agroszer | with limitations of course... | 16:18 |
| projekt01 | But this could end in a big disaster. How do you ensure that existing used transitions don't get deleted? | 16:18 |
| projekt01 | I'm very interessted in this but I have no time today. Can we discuss this part in a couple days? | 16:19 |
| agroszer | for the very first version I think I won't let them modify the once defined workflow | 16:19 |
| agroszer | later, I can have some thought about the 'mercedes' version | 16:19 |
| agroszer | sure, anyway I'll have to do this app | 16:20 |
| projekt01 | I guess we should use a wf definition version number for this. "where is missing in the zope3 wfmc implementation" | 16:20 |
| projekt01 | agroszer, I built already a productive wfmc application where I like to refactor. See http://www.ch.amadeus.com/ | 16:21 |
| agroszer | I'll check it out | 16:22 |
| projekt01 | perhaps we can do some brainstorming together | 16:22 |
| agroszer | ok | 16:22 |
| projekt01 | Are you around on IRC during the next days? | 16:23 |
| agroszer | usually I'm here | 16:23 |
| projekt01 | Ok, let's talk again about wfmc next time. | 16:23 |
| agroszer | ok | 16:23 |
| projekt01 | andres, ayt? | 16:24 |
| andres | projekt01, yes. | 16:24 |
| projekt01 | did you see my link? | 16:24 |
| andres | Yes, im trying it out atm. | 16:24 |
| projekt01 | cool, let me know if you have questions. I'm back later tonight. | 16:24 |
| agroszer | andres: is it working for you? | 16:25 |
| projekt01 | Yes, of corse | 16:25 |
| projekt01 | There is also a working demo at, svn://svn.tiks.org/repos/Tiks/trunk/src/tiks/demo/calendarwidget | 16:25 |
| agroszer | sorry, I mean http://www.ch.amadeus.com/ | 16:26 |
| projekt01 | andres, are you trying the Tiks calendar widget? | 16:28 |
| andres | projekt01, yes. | 16:28 |
| agroszer | sorry guys, now amadeus is working | 16:29 |
| projekt01 | andres, you have to include the javascript in the skin where you use the widget. | 16:30 |
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| andres | _projekt01, it will need a few minutes. Till now i tried to extract it, till i figured out, that its not the 2-5 min work i thought, because of the resourcedirectories | 16:37 |
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| zbir | WebMaven: You were looking for me? | 16:56 |
| andres | _projekt01, if i see it correctly i need to rewrite it a quite a bit, or include tiks? | 17:01 |
| andres | benji Could you perhaps place the widget into the sandbox? | 17:01 |
| benji | sure, give me a minute | 17:01 |
| _projekt01 | andres, why do you think? | 17:03 |
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| andres | _projekt01, at least you have to rewrite the configure.zcml bits. | 17:04 |
| andres | And remove the pagelet reference. | 17:04 |
| andres | rewrite of configure.zcml because resourcedirectories is not in zope 3.1 | 17:05 |
| projekt01 | andres, the pagelet is only a sample how you can register the javascript | 17:06 |
| andres | projekt01, yes, but ill have to rewrite the <resourcedirectory> stuff, or? | 17:08 |
| ignas | how to add an interface to an existing object ? | 17:16 |
| ignas | in other words - how to apply a marker interface | 17:16 |
| andres | ignas, you can do that in zcml | 17:17 |
| andres | Or do you mean at runtime? | 17:18 |
| ignas | runtime | 17:18 |
| agroszer | ignas: directlyProvides(obj, marker, directlyProvidedBy(obj)) | 17:18 |
| andres | ignas, out of zope.interface | 17:19 |
| ignas | agroszer, thanks | 17:19 |
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| benji | philiKON, I think your last Zope 2 commit caused tests to fail because of time zone assumptions | 17:20 |
| philiKON | did it? | 17:20 |
| benji | see http://buildbot.zope.org | 17:20 |
| philiKON | can you post the error? | 17:20 |
| philiKON | benji, thanks :) | 17:21 |
| * philiKON fixes | 17:21 | |
| benji | philiKON, see http://zope.pastebin.com/442254 | 17:21 |
| philiKON | benji, fixed now... | 17:34 |
| benji | cool, buildbot is great! :) | 17:35 |
| philiKON | yes, it rocks | 17:35 |
| philiKON | i should use it more often | 17:35 |
| philiKON | i wonder if i can hook it up to aspell | 17:35 |
| benji | I think it's going to become more and more important | 17:35 |
| benji | to spell check doc tests? :) | 17:36 |
| philiKON | lol | 17:36 |
| philiKON | no, my book *wink* | 17:36 |
| benji | ah :) | 17:36 |
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| projekt01 | andres, no you don't have to rewrite the resource directives, this directive will only register the javascript files and images | 17:57 |
| andres | projekt01, the problem is, that my zope only know resourceDirectory not the plural form. | 17:58 |
| projekt01 | Ah, is see | 17:58 |
| andres | I thought that it got added somewhere in tiks. | 17:59 |
| projekt01 | use this package and you will have the directive: | 18:00 |
| projekt01 | svn://svn.tiks.org/repos/Tiks/trunk/src/tiks/publisher | 18:00 |
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| projekt01 | Its not possible to do everything with the recursive directory directive from z3 | 18:01 |
| projekt01 | that was the reason why we implemented a explicit directive for nested resources | 18:02 |
| projekt01 | With the recursive nested directory resource directive from zope3 you will map every file, which is more then bad. | 18:03 |
| projekt01 | This is ugly and a big security hole! | 18:03 |
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| benji | you really think so projekt01? | 18:05 |
| projekt01 | Yes, if I register zope.app in a package as a directoryResource and nobody will recognize that. | 18:06 |
| benji | true | 18:06 |
| projekt01 | Or think about what could happen if we support TTW "sometimes". | 18:06 |
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| benji | with the interaction of TTW, I see more of a problem, but still don't see that big of a problem (and I'm fairly paranoid :)) | 18:07 |
| projekt01 | benji, Not for us where are reading the code before installing a 3rd party package | 18:08 |
| benji | I wonder if it would be a good idea to add an option to resource directory to take a list of globs that you want to register (*.js *.css) | 18:08 |
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| projekt01 | Yes, could be a option. I guess we have at least to review this part. | 18:09 |
| benji | well, that is reducable to the "there is risk in running any code you don't completely understand" argument | 18:09 |
| projekt01 | ;-) | 18:09 |
| projekt01 | I call this a built in spyware door | 18:10 |
| benji | :) | 18:10 |
| benji | we have to make sure we support all important use cases! | 18:10 |
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| projekt01 | Yes, I register every resource by it's own directive. I added a directory directive which allows to register path or names which makes this possible. | 18:11 |
| projekt01 | Sometimes it's a lot of work for register hugh javascript libraries. But explicit is better then implicit. | 18:12 |
| benji | practicality beats purity :) | 18:12 |
| projekt01 | Yes | 18:13 |
| benji | um, that was a retort, not an agreement :) | 18:13 |
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| andres | projekt01, stupid question: What am i missing? I added the js <script> directives to my template, overwrote which widget should be used for datetime. Now there is a reset button beneath my datetime field, but nothing happens, and i dont see any obvious failures (also i dont see a js event somewhere). | 18:24 |
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| benji | andres, I just added zc.datetimewidget to the sandbox | 18:25 |
| andres | benji, thanks. | 18:26 |
| benji | np | 18:26 |
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| andres | benji, so, i have move it from snippet to "standard zcml", is that the work you mean? | 18:33 |
| benji | andres, that or use zc.resource library which is also in the sandbox | 18:33 |
| benji | I'd prefer you use resource library | 18:34 |
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| jinty | any way to strip whitespace from ZPTs without causing myself an editing nightmare? | 18:55 |
| projekt01 | andres, do you have the calendar javascipt in the html source code | 19:00 |
| projekt01 | included | 19:00 |
| andres | yes, all <script> out of javascript.pt | 19:00 |
| projekt01 | can you call the on the server? | 19:01 |
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| projekt01 | andres, are the scripts accessible on the server? | 19:02 |
| andres | yes. | 19:02 |
| projekt01 | andres, do you see a string like "Calendar.setup" below your widget? | 19:05 |
| andres | yes. | 19:05 |
| andres | not below, beneath ;-) | 19:05 |
| projekt01 | that's ok. | 19:06 |
| projekt01 | Does the "inputField:" point to the input filed id="" | 19:06 |
| projekt01 | I mean the inputFiled argument in "Calendar.setup" method | 19:07 |
| projekt01 | btw, which browser are you using? | 19:07 |
| andres | firefox 1.5rc2 , and internetexplorer 6 and opera 8.5 | 19:08 |
| projekt01 | I use it in ie right now. | 19:09 |
| projekt01 | Firefox is also Ok | 19:09 |
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| projekt01 | andres, I have to leave now, but I'm back later. It should work if all javascript are loaded and the inputField points to the element id | 19:12 |
| projekt01 | andres, see you later | 19:12 |
| andres | projekt01, i think they did, but i couldnt look right now, as i made some changes to my code braking it... | 19:12 |
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| _projekt01 | andres, are you online later? | 19:13 |
| andres | yes, but i propably wont have access to my source later... Are you here tomorrow? | 19:13 |
| _projekt01 | Yes | 19:14 |
| andres | I have a calender widget (the one out of sip), but i dont like it. | 19:14 |
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| _projekt01 | Send me the HTML source to dev at projekt01 dot ch. I try to replace the urls and see what's happen to the JS. | 19:15 |
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