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| sashav | where can I find the handler for browser:page directive? | 11:33 |
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| philiKON | sashav, zope.app.publisher.browser.metaconfigure | 11:44 |
| sashav | thnx | 11:44 |
| philiKON | sashav, have your asbestus underwear ready :) | 11:45 |
| sashav | heh | 11:46 |
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| tonico | :he magic | 11:49 |
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| sashav | philiKON: I need a full asbestus outfit :) | 11:58 |
| philiKON | :) | 11:59 |
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| regebro | Hello all! | 14:55 |
| regebro | I have cleaned up and half-finished my "Hello!" product, that contains an alternative to philiKONs broser:page compromise. | 14:56 |
| regebro | http://svn.z3lab.org/trac/z3lab/browser/hello/trunk/ | 14:56 |
| regebro | Comments are warmly welcome, even non-constructive ones. ;) | 14:56 |
| regebro | quick update for philiKON (who saw an earlier version): | 14:57 |
| regebro | I removed the template support for the page statement. | 14:58 |
| regebro | I wanna use faassen s clarity templates anyhow. :P | 14:58 |
| regebro | But patched it in again in a hello:template statement. | 14:58 |
| regebro | For those who want to publish just one single template. | 14:59 |
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| sashav | regebro: what's clarity templates? | 15:20 |
| regebro | sashav: http://faassen.n--tree.net/blog/view/weblog/2005/04/16/0 | 15:21 |
| regebro | Basically, it's like TAL, but you have no expressions. | 15:22 |
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| faassen | regebro: I want to rewrite that using something like SAX, as unfortunately clearsilver's templating system is not XML compliant. | 15:24 |
| faassen | regebro: anyway, it's cool you want to use that. :) | 15:25 |
| faassen | regebro: I should have more time to do interesting experiments. | 15:25 |
| regebro | I agree, you should. :) | 15:25 |
| faassen | why, thanks. :) | 15:25 |
| regebro | I've advicated 25 hour days for years. :) | 15:25 |
| * faassen laughs. | 15:25 | |
| faassen | no, I should just get paid to do interesting experiments. :) | 15:25 |
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| jukart | dobee, ayt ? | 15:44 |
| dobee | jukart: jep | 15:44 |
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| Theuni | Hmm. I just noticed that "zopectl run" doesn't exist in Zope 3 ... is that on purpose? | 16:10 |
| Theuni | hmm. seems to be replaced in 3.3 with scriptzope. | 16:12 |
| Theuni | well. i'll take that then. | 16:12 |
| faassen | more gratuitous changes to the startup scripts? | 16:14 |
| faassen | I'm tempted to start considering any of those a bug if so. :) | 16:15 |
| Theuni | looks more like the "run" was missing in 3.2 and is back in 3.3 | 16:15 |
| Theuni | zopectl in 3.3 seems to support that "run" command again, but implements it with a separate script | 16:15 |
| Theuni | i'm trying to port it to a zope 3.2 right now | 16:15 |
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| Theuni | hmm. where does the package "paths" come from? | 16:20 |
| Theuni | this looks like it can't work at all | 16:20 |
| * Theuni is confused | 16:20 | |
| Theuni | ah damn. my checkout is barfed. | 16:21 |
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| j1m | philiKON, ayt? | 16:25 |
| Theuni | hmm. that zopectl run stuff seems to be broken on the trunk. too bad. | 16:27 |
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| mgedmin | I need to refresh my knowledge about Zope 3.2 skins and layers | 17:29 |
| mgedmin | what's the canonical reference document? | 17:29 |
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| tonico | mgedmin: i guess such a document does not exist. i'd try the ++apidoc++ zcml reference for the browser namespace and the source code of existing skins. | 17:48 |
| mgedmin | yeah, I'm digging through the sources now... | 17:48 |
| mgedmin | the <skin> directive automagically makes my skin/layer interfaces directlyProvide ISkin/ILayer, right? | 17:48 |
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| tonico | sorry, i have no idea, but that sound rasonable to me :) | 17:50 |
| srichter | mgedmin: right, but you can also use real interfaces, which I would suggest | 17:50 |
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| cilkay | Hello. Is there a tool like ArchGenXML that one can use for Z3? | 17:58 |
| cilkay | AGX generates Plone products from a XMI containing class and state models. | 17:59 |
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| cilkay | The states are used to create the workflows. | 18:00 |
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| cilkay | There are various tools that claim to be able to generate Python code from UML class diagrams. Given that Z3 seems to be able to work with Python modules without having to make changes to the modules by the use of adapters and ZCML, perhaps that would be one approach. | 18:02 |
| cilkay | Gaphor is one such tool. | 18:02 |
| cilkay | ... or claims to be anyway. | 18:02 |
| cilkay | No idea how well it works. | 18:03 |
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| mgedmin | what, I can't use classProvides in an interface declaration? | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | e.g. | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | class MyLayer(IBrowserRequest): | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | classProvides(ILayer) | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | ? | 18:17 |
| mgedmin | I get zope.interface.exceptions.InvalidInterface: Concrete attribute, __provides__ | 18:17 |
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| mgedmin | directlyProvides(MyLayer, ILayer) after the interface declaration doesn't seem to work either | 18:21 |
| mgedmin | oh, my mistake | 18:22 |
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| philiKON | mgedmin, btw, for zope 3.3 see http://dev.zope.org/Zope3/SimplifySkinning. basically, ILayer is superfluous and deprecated | 19:40 |
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| j1m | philiKON, ayt? | 20:44 |
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| philiKON | j1m, yep | 21:03 |
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| j1m | philiKON, zope.app.tests wasn't really deprecated. :( | 21:47 |
| j1m | so now I have to redeprecate it. | 21:47 |
| regebro | mkerrin: I have now checked in PublishTraverse adapter support in svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope/branches/easter-sprint_traversal-refactor | 21:52 |
| regebro | There are two tests failing in Five that I can't figure out. | 21:52 |
| philiKON | j1m, grrrr | 21:53 |
| philiKON | taht sucks | 21:53 |
| j1m | Yeah, the deprecation framework seems rather unreliable. | 21:53 |
| regebro | I'm hoping you figured them out last week and fixed them in the publish-refactoring branch. | 21:53 |
| j1m | I fear this will take a lot of work to clean up. | 21:53 |
| regebro | If so at least we can get the traversal work into 2.10. | 21:54 |
| mkerrin | regebro: I will take a look | 21:54 |
| regebro | I also lookes more at trying to find a clean break between ZServer and ZPublisher but failed. | 21:55 |
| regebro | Maybe we should try to only support ZServer + old publisher and twisted + new publisher? | 21:55 |
| j1m | All this from zope.component.bbb import ... is absolute crap | 21:55 |
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| j1m | waaaaaaaa | 21:56 |
| j1m | I'm never gonna get this branch merged. | 21:57 |
| j1m | waaaaaaaa | 21:57 |
| philiKON | especially because there's stuff in zope.component.bbb.interfaces that's used all over the place | 21:57 |
| philiKON | IView, IViewFactory... | 21:57 |
| j1m | we have to bring back everything that was imported from bbb | 21:58 |
| j1m | I was hoping to merge today, but I don't think it's gonna happen. | 21:58 |
| j1m | I have a lot of other z3 work to do. | 21:58 |
| j1m | I mean non-z3 work | 21:59 |
| philiKON | +1 for bringing it back for now | 21:59 |
| j1m | Oh, we have no choice. | 21:59 |
| j1m | We'd definiately break things if we didn't/ | 21:59 |
| j1m | I'm finding these by trying the branch with an existing app. | 22:00 |
| philiKON | well, one place is to leave it in zope.component.bbb | 22:00 |
| philiKON | or do you mean the other junk we already deleted | 22:00 |
| philiKON | ? | 22:00 |
| mkerrin | regebro: from 2.11 ZServer and new publisher via the publish_module_* methods seems doable. | 22:00 |
| j1m | other junk we already deleted. | 22:00 |
| philiKON | waaaaaaaaa | 22:00 |
| j1m | from zope.component.bbb import getGlobalServices, getGlobalService | 22:00 |
| j1m | from zope.component.bbb import getServices, getService | 22:00 |
| j1m | from zope.component.bbb import getServiceDefinitions | 22:00 |
| j1m | from zope.component.bbb import getView, queryView | 22:00 |
| j1m | from zope.component.bbb import getMultiView, queryMultiView | 22:00 |
| j1m | from zope.component.bbb import getViewProviding, queryViewProviding | 22:00 |
| j1m | from zope.component.bbb import getDefaultViewName, queryDefaultViewName | 22:00 |
| j1m | from zope.component.bbb import getResource, queryResource | 22:00 |
| j1m | all that shit has to come back. | 22:00 |
| j1m | at least. | 22:00 |
| regebro | mkerrin: OK. | 22:00 |
| philiKON | but... but... why? | 22:00 |
| philiKON | i thought these things rendered depreation warnings | 22:01 |
| j1m | beacuse we never generated any deprecation warnings for it. | 22:01 |
| regebro | mkerrin: It's only 6 months. :) We'll survive. Florent will be dissapointed. | 22:01 |
| philiKON | j1m, yes, i'm pretty sure these rendered deprecation warnings. in fact, i'm quite certain | 22:01 |
| j1m | hm | 22:02 |
| philiKON | not via zope.deprecation, bu tprobably via warnings.warn | 22:02 |
| j1m | Note that the deprecation calls in zope.app.tests.__init__.py did nothing. | 22:02 |
| philiKON | that's a bit weird, indeed | 22:03 |
| j1m | so, I have this app that had: | 22:03 |
| j1m | from zope.component import getService | 22:04 |
| j1m | Now, this was an unused import. | 22:04 |
| philiKON | aaaah | 22:04 |
| philiKON | shit | 22:04 |
| j1m | so it never generated a warning. | 22:04 |
| philiKON | deprecation is so hard | 22:04 |
| j1m | But now, of course, the thing fails. | 22:04 |
| j1m | Yes it is. | 22:05 |
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| j1m | Oh there are sooooo many of these. | 22:07 |
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| j1m | well, OK, I'm gonna run around fixing the breakage for one of our larger apps. | 22:13 |
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| j1m | But I suspect that lots of other apps will be broken. | 22:13 |
| j1m | I'm not sure how to handle this. | 22:14 |
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| mkerrin | regebro: I have the Five traversing view bug - it was the same problem has I had in Paris | 22:47 |
| mkerrin | I made the change to the easter-sprint_traversal-refactor branch | 22:48 |
| regebro | mkerrin: Super! | 22:51 |
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| regebro | Well, mkerrin is da man! :) Even though he just left. | 23:01 |
| regebro | We now have a branch using Zope3 PublishTraverse adapters for traversal. | 23:01 |
| regebro | Which most likely will be merged this week. | 23:02 |
| regebro | (Branch of Zope2, that is). | 23:02 |
| regebro | Michael fixed the last bug. | 23:03 |
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| philiKON | regebro, are you saying that this will go into zope 2.10? | 23:06 |
| regebro | I hope so. | 23:06 |
| regebro | The branch is easter-sprint_traversal-refactor. | 23:06 |
| regebro | It would be good if somebody checked it over. | 23:07 |
| regebro | I will also try it out with CPS before merging. | 23:07 |
| philiKON | now, basically, the way it works is that it uses IPublishTraverse adapters | 23:09 |
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| philiKON | Five's Traversable adapter hack won't pull no longer, right? | 23:09 |
| philiKON | also, five:traversable will no longer be necessary, right? | 23:09 |
| regebro | philiKON: Exactly. | 23:10 |
| rockyburt | whoot... heard the magic words, "five:traversable will no longer be necessary" | 23:11 |
| rockyburt | whats the timeframe? :) | 23:11 |
| rockyburt | ohhh... reading scrollback its from the cps sprint? | 23:12 |
| rockyburt | nice | 23:12 |
| rockyburt | zope2.10... nice :) | 23:12 |
| whit | yay! | 23:13 |
| philiKON | regebro, we should get five in shape for that too. five:traversable should be deprecated and just be a null thing | 23:14 |
| philiKON | also, are you guys covering five:defaultViewable? | 23:14 |
| philiKON | oh, and if i forgot, you guys rock :) | 23:14 |
| regebro | philiKON: A: Yup. B: don't think so. | 23:14 |
| philiKON | hmm | 23:15 |
| regebro | Well, we have a half-assed and half-workable twisted 0 z3 publisher integration too. ;) | 23:15 |
| philiKON | __browser_default__ is just one of these Zope 2 traversal methods like __bobo_traverse__ that really suck | 23:15 |
| regebro | But only half, so it will have to wiat for 2.11. | 23:15 |
| philiKON | i'd also like to properly see it replaced with a default view thing | 23:15 |
| regebro | Mm, yeah. You are right. | 23:16 |
| philiKON | regebro, yeah, let's test the twisted integration some more time :) | 23:16 |
| philiKON | regebro, not that i love putting additional work on your shoulders ;) | 23:16 |
| philiKON | it's just a symmetry kind of thing. if you kill A, B should also be killed ;) | 23:16 |
| regebro | Well, I would have liked it to be in 2.10 so it could be tested, but right now, it works fine, but ZServer 0 Old publisher don't. ;) | 23:16 |
| philiKON | reminds me of my current lectures on quantum mechanis II | 23:16 |
| philiKON | matter and antimatter ;) | 23:16 |
| philiKON | regebro, yeh... | 23:17 |
| regebro | Well, __browser_default__ probably have to wait for 2.11 too, sorry. | 23:17 |
| philiKON | k :) | 23:17 |
| philiKON | it's ok. we'll have to get used to postponing features, | 23:18 |
| philiKON | that's better than postponing releases | 23:18 |
| regebro | Yup. | 23:18 |
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| regebro | Heh. That worked surprisingly well. :) I'm trying to insert a WSGI interface between ZServer an ZPublisher. | 23:52 |
| regebro | And it almost works! It creates one DB connection per request, but that seem to be the major problem. :) | 23:53 |
| regebro | I'll look at that more tomorrow, because I called my gf 2 hours ago and said I would be home in an hour. :) | 23:53 |
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