| j1m | srichter, what are you talking about? | 00:11 |
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| j1m | what's the big deal of having the Zope 2 code? | 00:12 |
| j1m | ah, let me guess, the module is getting implicitly loaded by apidoc. | 00:13 |
| srichter | no | 00:17 |
| srichter | nothing gets loaded yet | 00:17 |
| srichter | but I think it is just a bit awkward | 00:18 |
| srichter | people might look at the code and wonder where it comes from | 00:18 |
| srichter | j1m: I think with a little bit of structuring we could just link the part in Zope 3 that is relevant for us | 00:19 |
| j1m | There is a pretty clear README that explains that it is both for z2 and z3 and explains how to install it for z3. | 00:20 |
| srichter | the install is not the problem of course | 00:20 |
| j1m | I don't know what *is* the problem. | 00:21 |
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| j1m | If peo[le are confused, they'll read the README. And then they won't be confused. | 00:21 |
| srichter | but I think it just should not contain Zope 2 code | 00:22 |
| srichter | some people might use it as a template for dual-packages | 00:22 |
| rockyburt | hehe, sricthter thinks the z2 code might be contagious ;) | 00:23 |
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| j1m | Yeah, I don't really think that's likely. | 00:24 |
| srichter | I just think that with some thought we could have a package that is developed dually, but in the distro only the Z3 part is available | 00:24 |
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| j1m | If you want to do that, go for it. It's not worth my time. | 00:24 |
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| srichter | well, it should have been really discussed beforehand too ;-) | 00:25 |
| j1m | ok, rip it out. | 00:25 |
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| j1m | I don't care. | 00:25 |
| srichter | I like it too much ;-) I'll work on a cleanup | 00:26 |
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| fairwinds | Hi. Has anyone successfully got PGStorage configured for Zope3? | 01:51 |
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| srichter | it seems that properties are excluded from tracing (at least sometimes); can anyone confirm this? | 13:25 |
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| dobee | any pytz gurus around? | 14:11 |
| dobee | when i do >>> tz = pytz.timezone('Europe/Vienna') | 14:11 |
| dobee | >>> dt = datetime(2006,1,1,12,tzinfo=tz) | 14:11 |
| dobee | >>> dt | 14:11 |
| dobee | i get datetime.datetime(2006, 1, 1, 12, 0, tzinfo=<DstTzInfo 'Europe/Vienna' CET+1:00:00 STD>) | 14:11 |
| dobee | and when i change the date to dt = datetime(2006,5,1,12,tzinfo=tz) | 14:13 |
| dobee | i get | 14:13 |
| dobee | datetime.datetime(2006, 5, 1, 12, 0, tzinfo=<DstTzInfo 'Europe/Vienna' CET+1:00:00 STD>) | 14:13 |
| dobee | but in the second date the offset should be 2 hours | 14:14 |
| dobee | because dst should change | 14:14 |
| dobee | my use case ist that i want the utc datetime from a naive datetime, given the tzinfo from the request | 14:16 |
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| dobee | i am trying to fix a bug in zc.datetimewidget or zc.i18n.date, where this is not handled correctly | 14:17 |
| dobee | hm, ok it's sunday :-( | 14:21 |
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| SteveA | dobee: see if stub is around tomorrow | 14:26 |
| SteveA | he's the pytz maintainer | 14:26 |
| dobee | SteveA: thx, ok i'll have a look | 14:26 |
| srichter | dobee: certain timezones are unaware of the daylight saving time | 14:38 |
| srichter | but I forgot how the rules went | 14:38 |
| dobee | srichter: hi stephan, this must be a bug, because when i set a break point in the init of the timezone the values are right | 14:39 |
| srichter | ah, ok | 14:39 |
| dobee | the vienna tz has dst info | 14:39 |
| srichter | I see | 14:40 |
| srichter | a bug then :- | 14:40 |
| srichter | a bug then :-) | 14:40 |
| dobee | i gonna dig a bit | 14:40 |
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| j1m | srichter, ayt? | 16:59 |
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| benji | j1m, do you know if anything has changed in the C components of Zope 3 since January, 5th of this year? | 17:03 |
| benji | (other than the changes you just made) | 17:03 |
| j1m | I just checked in some changes. :) So Yes. | 17:03 |
| j1m | ah | 17:03 |
| j1m | I don't think so, except maybe in zodb. | 17:04 |
| j1m | Why do you ask? | 17:05 |
| benji | I'm trying to fix the test failures of Z3 on Windows, and am seeing a different set of failures on my box (without the neccesary C compiler) | 17:06 |
| j1m | ah | 17:06 |
| benji | I'm trying to get the fish to come back alive, already got the zope.testing one to resurect :) | 17:07 |
| benji | (yes, as a distraction from being sick I wrote the buildbot aquarium :) | 17:07 |
| j1m | :) | 17:07 |
| benji | ok, well, since I don't have VC2005, I'll just make the changes I think are right and let the buildbot test them for me | 17:08 |
| j1m | Did I break something? | 17:09 |
| j1m | (I don't see how.) | 17:09 |
| benji | don't think so, it's been so long ago that it scrolled off the screen | 17:09 |
| benji | the zope.testing failures were Stephan, but because he doesn't have Windows to test on, those are now fixed | 17:10 |
| srichter | j1m: yep, I am here | 17:15 |
| j1m | srichter, never mind :) | 17:15 |
| srichter | ok | 17:15 |
| benji | srichter, you don't have a Windows box, do you? | 17:16 |
| srichter | no | 17:16 |
| srichter | well, my laptop dual boots, but nothing is setup on the Windows installation | 17:16 |
| benji | ok, I won't harass you for your last few commits not working on Windows then :) | 17:16 |
| srichter | :-) | 17:17 |
| benji | np, that's what us multi-platform people are for | 17:17 |
| srichter | which one particularly? | 17:17 |
| srichter | I saw your checkin to zope.testing, but I don't understand how I made them break on Windows; it looks like the breakage was there beofre me | 17:18 |
| benji | the "ignore" stuff for zope.testing | 17:18 |
| rockyburt | as a consultant i could never get by with not testing my stuff on linux and windows ... vmware to the rescue! :) | 17:18 |
| benji | nope, I checked out the version just before your checkin, and it worked; it had to do with the direction of the slashes in the ignore cache dict | 17:18 |
| benji | rockyburt, that's one of the reasons I *always* have a Linux and Windows box on my desk | 17:19 |
| srichter | I don't understand that, since I did not mess with the paths at all | 17:19 |
| rockyburt | benji: yeah, for my day-to-day i couldn't survive without linux (well, perhaps on macos i could) but having vmware for windows on top of my linux workstation is very nice | 17:20 |
| benji | before it (incorrectly) used module names, you changed it to use paths | 17:20 |
| srichter | right | 17:20 |
| srichter | but it should not care how the paths look like | 17:20 |
| benji | I prefer a multi-head setup, rockyburt, see http://benjiyork.com/images/pc.jpg :) | 17:21 |
| rockyburt | benji: oh so do i, but what do you do when you have your laptop on a client site or at a conference? :) | 17:21 |
| benji | srichter, there were two problems, the test renormalizer didn't properly handle normalizing Windows paths (not your fault, you just stepped on the land mind) | 17:21 |
| benji | easy rockyburt, I never go anywhere :) | 17:22 |
| rockyburt | haha | 17:22 |
| rockyburt | boring :) | 17:22 |
| benji | that's me! | 17:22 |
| benji | the second, srichter, was the different handling of trailing slashes on Linux and Windows; neither were big problems, just took a little work to track down | 17:23 |
| srichter | ok, right, that's how I was interpreting your checkin; still I do not get why it failed, but that's enough of an explanation for me | 17:23 |
| srichter | ok | 17:23 |
| srichter | I think the coverage is now fixed in Zope 3 | 17:23 |
| benji | I saw that, very, very cool | 17:24 |
| srichter | I really need to ask Marius to contribute his coverage_reports HTML generation tool | 17:24 |
| srichter | this is what I use to check the coverage these days | 17:25 |
| benji | yep, that'd be a nice addition to buildbot (or something similar) | 17:25 |
| srichter | right, I need it for the ZSCP site too | 17:25 |
| benji | yep | 17:25 |
| benji | how's that going BTW? | 17:25 |
| srichter | benji: btw, did you notice that sometimes coverage of properties does not work properly? | 17:25 |
| srichter | benji: we got very far at the sprint | 17:25 |
| benji | hmm, nope, didn't notice | 17:25 |
| benji | cool | 17:26 |
| srichter | benji: you can register packages and the site is pretty much ready (content-wise) | 17:26 |
| benji | wow, very good | 17:26 |
| srichter | benji: I cannot reliably repoduce the issue | 17:26 |
| srichter | I also noticed that sometimes when a property raises an error, it is masked by IAttributeError | 17:26 |
| srichter | I think those two things might be related | 17:27 |
| benji | hmm, I suspect trace.py (I think is its name), it's somewhat ignored and quite old | 17:27 |
| srichter | but as far as I can tell it works on some properties | 17:28 |
| srichter | I strongly suspect this being a Python bug | 17:28 |
| srichter | btwm we also have a prototype Zope 3 website based on Bebop; I need to send people the test site infos | 17:29 |
| benji | If you include trace.py in Python, then I give it 90% odds | 17:29 |
| srichter | I Will do that once I am back in the US | 17:29 |
| benji | great | 17:29 |
| srichter | benji: I also have the AttributeError problem with properties; this has nothing to do with trace | 17:30 |
| srichter | and I think the issues are related | 17:30 |
| benji | oh! so in non-coverage-testing situations you get the AttributeError? Strange. | 17:30 |
| srichter | yes, even non-testing situations | 17:31 |
| srichter | you get an attribute error and you check | 17:31 |
| srichter | then if I make the property a function again by removing the decorator, I can tell that it is another error being raised | 17:31 |
| srichter | but when I do a simple Python shell test, it works | 17:31 |
| srichter | so it must be a more complex combination | 17:32 |
| benji | yeah, that'll be fun to debug | 17:32 |
| srichter | :-) | 17:33 |
| benji | woohoo! My zope3-on-windows fish came back to life! | 17:58 |
| srichter | he he | 17:58 |
| rockyburt | haha | 18:00 |
| rockyburt | btw, any of you who are considering buying a wood furnace to heat your home -- don't ;) | 18:01 |
| benji | why, won't pass the functional tests? | 18:01 |
| rockyburt | benji: oh it passes all tests ... it just doesn't have enough functional tests i guess ;) | 18:02 |
| rockyburt | or perhaps stress tests would be more appropriate | 18:02 |
| srichter | rockyburt: combined units (wood/coal and oil/gas) are pretty popular in Germany --> but with German engineering ;-) | 18:02 |
| rockyburt | srichter: hehe, nice | 18:02 |
| rockyburt | srichter: i have combined wood/oil here | 18:02 |
| rockyburt | but my pipes basically caught on fire this morning :( | 18:02 |
| benji | yow | 18:03 |
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| regebro | Damn! He saw me! :) | 19:30 |
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| efrerich | benji: did you create new pyd-files? I asked tim_one to build new pyd-files for python 2.5a1 (You can find them on his member page). | 19:52 |
| efrerich | benji: But he told me: "Note that I don't work at Zope Corp anymore, and (a) I don't test Zope3 on | 19:54 |
| efrerich | Windows anymore either; and, (b) the Zope3 community would be better off now | 19:54 |
| efrerich | finding someone else to do this kind of thing" | 19:54 |
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| benji | efrerich, I was AFK; right we need someone interested in keeping the binaries up to date (or better, someone interested in automating the process of keeping them up to date) | 23:16 |
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| efrerich | benji: you know Tim better as I; should he write on the dev-list that we need somebody who does it? | 23:28 |
| benji | I'd think it would be just as well if you, or I, or anyone wrote an email; unfortunately our rate of volunteerism on Windows hasn't been very high in the past | 23:30 |
| efrerich | benji, please write you | 23:30 |
| benji | will do; first I'll ask at work and see if I can do it on company time first (I don't have the right compiler at home) and if not I'll email zope3-dev | 23:31 |
| efrerich | thank you | 23:31 |
| benji | np :) | 23:32 |
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