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| srichter | anyone still here to have a chat about paths in ZCML with me? | 00:52 |
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| srichter | Have you ever been annoyed with specifying the queue path in ZCML and not getting to the var dir? | 00:55 |
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| ChrisW | hi all... wonder if anyone here can help... looking to do some development on Zope 2 trunk and 2.9 branch ona debian box... once I have a writeable svn checkout, how do I build things such that I can run the tests to check my changes? | 11:51 |
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| srichter | j1m: do you have 30 secs for me? | 12:10 |
| j1m | sure | 12:13 |
| srichter | j1m: why are there no persistent Indices in the zope.app.catalog package? | 12:14 |
| srichter | j1m: it makes it much harder to get started with catalogs | 12:14 |
| srichter | (I'll fix that if this is an oversight/missing feature) | 12:14 |
| * srichter has never used cataloging in Zope (2 or 3) | 12:15 | |
| j1m | What makes you think this? | 12:16 |
| j1m | field indexes and text indexes are persistent. | 12:17 |
| j1m | what index is not? | 12:17 |
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| ChrisW | maybe he means ttw configuration? | 12:17 |
| j1m | Maybe he's mistaken. | 12:17 |
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| srichter | j1m: sorry, client crashed | 12:18 |
| srichter | can you repeat? | 12:18 |
| j1m | field indexes and text indexes are persistent. | 12:18 |
| j1m | what index is not? | 12:18 |
| srichter | I could not find where Persistent is inherited | 12:18 |
| j1m | Look in the ase classes from zope.index. | 12:18 |
| srichter | ah ok | 12:19 |
| srichter | I was looking at thise files too :-( --> too much sleep deprivation + cold | 12:19 |
| srichter | thanks | 12:19 |
| srichter | now I am ready to go :-) | 12:20 |
| j1m | where are you? | 12:20 |
| srichter | Switzerland | 12:20 |
| srichter | at Roger's office | 12:20 |
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| * srichter and projekt01 is doing a crazy speed project for a client | 12:21 | |
| srichter | it's a good experience to do a very confined real-world app in Zope 3 | 12:22 |
| srichter | I think the biggest problem in Zope 3 as WEb-app solution is the lack of advanced widgets right now | 12:23 |
| srichter | but other than that it was a real joy to develop | 12:24 |
| * srichter also became a full believer of test coverage control | 12:27 | |
| srichter | btw, what is the general rule of thumb concerning different catalogs? Have one big one or several smaller ones? | 12:29 |
| j1m | A catalog is a lot like a relational table. | 12:30 |
| j1m | I don't think we have a rule of thumb. | 12:30 |
| srichter | ok, so I should put all attributes of IFoo into a catalog foo-catalog | 12:30 |
| srichter | ok | 12:30 |
| j1m | In Z2, we tended to put too much into a single catalog. | 12:31 |
| j1m | I find the table analogy to be helpful. | 12:31 |
| srichter | right, that's what I remember people telling me about Plone | 12:31 |
| srichter | ok, I keep this in mind | 12:31 |
| j1m | Except that we can be a lot more flexible than an rdbms. | 12:31 |
| srichter | I guess I can always use tools to combine results from two catalog queries | 12:32 |
| srichter | (maybe hurry does that?) | 12:32 |
| j1m | But a big difference between z2 and z3 is that, in z3, we can combine queries from multiple catalogs. | 12:32 |
| srichter | aha! | 12:32 |
| srichter | that is good to know | 12:32 |
| j1m | It's not hard, since catalogs queries can return intsets/trees. | 12:33 |
| srichter | ok, then I definitely have one catalog per type | 12:33 |
| srichter | right, that makes sense | 12:33 |
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| regebro | Allo, all! Panic mounting before the feature freeze? :) | 13:15 |
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| srichter | regebro: all calm here | 14:43 |
| srichter | regebro: we are pretty much ready; we only wait for the Z2 people | 14:44 |
| regebro | srichter: Glad to here it. :) | 14:44 |
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| regebro | Well, I got the traversal refactoring in, and I'll add the experimental WSGI and Twisted support today. | 14:45 |
| regebro | And then Zope2 should be pretty much ready too, I think. | 14:45 |
| srichter | cool | 14:45 |
| srichter | what index do I use if I want to match sub-strings of a text? | 15:20 |
| srichter | for example, I have an index on the first name of a person | 15:20 |
| srichter | but 'S' will not match 'Stephan' | 15:21 |
| srichter | faassen: can you help? | 15:21 |
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| srichter | regebro: do you know how to use the catalog to search for a simple substring? | 15:26 |
| regebro | srichter: Hmm. not on field indexes, no. | 15:28 |
| srichter | any index will do | 15:28 |
| srichter | regebro: I can setup whatever index I like :-) | 15:28 |
| regebro | On a text index I thought it was automatic? | 15:28 |
| srichter | no, it only searches for whole words | 15:29 |
| regebro | OK, I haven't done that in years, so I don'tremember. | 15:29 |
| srichter | ok | 15:29 |
| regebro | Have you tried 's*'? | 15:29 |
| srichter | no :-) | 15:29 |
| srichter | ooooh, this works | 15:30 |
| srichter | thanks! | 15:30 |
| regebro | Great! | 15:32 |
| regebro | faassen: Gary asked the same question as you yesterday. I think the deprecations are gone in 3.3. | 15:38 |
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| dobee | hi all, what kind of errors should i raise as invariant errors in form lib, should it not be interface.Invalid because that's the normal case on the interface error, there is no view for it | 19:20 |
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| roym | In a doctest, is the ":list" suffix honored by the TestRequest object? ie: if I have a form that has elements named A:list, B:list, etc... can I emulate that behavior using TestRequest? | 19:32 |
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| regebro | roym: I think (but I'm not sure) that it's the publisher that does those things. | 19:44 |
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| rocky | J1m: thanks for the wiki super access permission thing ;) | 19:46 |
| J1m | yw | 19:46 |
| roym | regebro: thanks - that explains why I couldn't get it to work using TestRequest alone. | 19:48 |
| regebro | Yea, I think it just tsakes the name of the field, and the data in the list form. | 19:48 |
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| faassen | J1m: is your unicode in zope 2 work really on the agenda? | 19:51 |
| faassen | J1m: seems like a high risk change, but perhaps I'm misunderstanding. | 19:51 |
| J1m | No, I don't know where Plilipp came up with that. | 19:52 |
| faassen | J1m: some vague email message from last november. :) | 19:52 |
| faassen | J1m: ok, good. | 19:52 |
| J1m | I guess I should note that. | 19:52 |
| J1m | Anybody have any idea what the z2 status is? | 19:52 |
| faassen | well, the page is pretty up to date, I suspect. | 19:53 |
| faassen | regebro: or Philipp would be most up to date. | 19:53 |
| regebro | At least if somebody (me) removes J1ms stuff it would be up to date. | 19:53 |
| J1m | I'll remove my entry | 19:54 |
| regebro | OK. I added anguenots stuff there too, and I will confirm with him tomorrow. | 19:55 |
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| regebro | I guess we should schedule a bugday soon too? | 20:31 |
| J1m | yup | 20:31 |
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| rocky | hm, so when is the planned first beta of zope 2.10 ? | 21:30 |
| rocky | or perhaps there's an up to date roadmap someplace i could view? | 21:30 |
| srichter | we release a1 next week | 21:31 |
| srichter | feature freeze was moved one week | 21:31 |
| rocky | so 3.3 and 2.10 are scheduled for release simultaneously? or? | 21:31 |
| J1m | That's a good question. | 21:32 |
| J1m | I think they should be close. | 21:32 |
| J1m | I don't think they need to be simultaneous. | 21:33 |
| rocky | right | 21:33 |
| rocky | how many alpha releases are being planned? | 21:33 |
| J1m | The finals should both be in June. | 21:33 |
| rocky | oh, nice | 21:33 |
| J1m | srichter, why are we bothering with an alpha? | 21:34 |
| rocky | i thought an alpha release was a bit odd if no more functionality is allowed to be added | 21:34 |
| J1m | Is there anything holding up a z3 release? | 21:34 |
| J1m | exactly. | 21:34 |
| J1m | Is there anything holding up a z3 beta release? | 21:35 |
| J1m | srichter, Is there anything holding up a z3 beta release? | 21:35 |
| * rocky is looking forward to "really" running plone 2.5 on a zope2.10 beta release | 21:35 | |
| _sussi | do u know : why asking often not for the reason | 21:37 |
| srichter | J1m: no, other than we would liek to sync releases | 21:37 |
| srichter | I am waiting for Andreas to say he is ready | 21:37 |
| J1m | I'm not sure we need to sync releases *that* closely. | 21:38 |
| srichter | well, we usually do | 21:39 |
| rocky | i was just commenting elsewhere that as soon as a zope 2.10 beta comes out i'm going to try and base my next client project on plone 2.5 beta + zope 2.10 beta (since time of final release those products will be in finals as well) ... the biggest reason being to ensure a large application like plone gets rigorous testing on zope 2.10 | 21:39 |
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| srichter | J1m: I will be in transit tomorrow so I could do a release on Thursday | 21:40 |
| J1m | I think that would be cool | 21:40 |
| srichter | ok, will do | 21:41 |
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