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| srichter | philiKON: what do I need to get write access to codespeak? | 00:07 |
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| srichter | j1m: did you write an entry in doc/CHANGES.txt for your refactorings? | 01:00 |
| j1m | Not yet. I need to do that. | 01:04 |
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| philiKON | srichter, you need me :) | 01:07 |
| srichter | philiKON: yep | 01:07 |
| srichter | :-) | 01:07 |
| srichter | philiKON: can you set me up? | 01:07 |
| philiKON | sure | 01:07 |
| philiKON | see priv msg | 01:07 |
| srichter | where? | 01:08 |
| srichter | ah, ok | 01:08 |
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| j1m | srichter, ayt? | 13:58 |
| srichter | j1m: yep, but still in morning processing | 14:00 |
| srichter | who is doing the ZODB releasing? | 14:02 |
| srichter | Can I ask tim again? | 14:02 |
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| j1m | I wonder of a ZODB release is necessary. | 14:10 |
| j1m | BTW, Tim doesn't work for ZC anymore, so you'd have to ask him, not me. :) | 14:10 |
| j1m | "morning processing"? | 14:13 |
| j1m | when do you plan to make the 3.3 branch? | 14:13 |
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| j1m | srichter, let me know when you are available. | 14:28 |
| srichter | well, I need to have a ZODB branch first, which I just remembered this morning | 14:33 |
| j1m | when were you planning to get started? | 14:38 |
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| j1m | Man, the logging module is annoying | 14:39 |
| rocky | hmm... i really wish zoope2.10 would ship with a working INSTANCE_HOME/etc/site.zcml and INSTANCE_HOME/etc/package-includes upon instance creation :/ | 14:40 |
| j1m | sounds like a good project for 3.4. | 14:40 |
| j1m | srichter, let me know when you are available. | 14:41 |
| srichter | I am planning to do the branch this afternoon | 14:42 |
| srichter | I have things to do all morning | 14:42 |
| j1m | hm, I'm tempted to sneak a feature into zodb before then. :) | 14:42 |
| srichter | j1m: that would be fantastic! :-) | 14:43 |
| j1m | I started plumbing the object iteration protocol through ZEO the other day. | 14:43 |
| j1m | I could probably finish that this morning. | 14:43 |
| srichter | cool | 14:43 |
| srichter | let me know; I could also wait another day | 14:44 |
| j1m | no | 14:44 |
| srichter | I'll simply wait for your ZODB feature freeze announcement | 14:44 |
| srichter | I am on ZODB-dev | 14:44 |
| j1m | I don't want to delay the releases in any way. | 14:44 |
| srichter | ok | 14:44 |
| j1m | but if you aren't going to do anything until this afternoon, I'll see if I can get this done. | 14:45 |
| srichter | ok | 14:46 |
| srichter | It will deinitely not happen before 2:00 pm | 14:46 |
| j1m | That is, if I can get the logging module to stop puking when the zodb tests exit. :( | 14:46 |
| srichter | :-( | 14:46 |
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| pindonga | hi. I am trying to migrate my custom products from zope2 to zope3. I have read several tutorials about this, but none covers the aspect of writing a tool for zope3. Is there some documentation on this somewhere? | 15:11 |
| rocky | pindonga: tool is a CMF concept (only for zope2) ... the closest equivalent in zope3 would probably be to create a local utility | 15:12 |
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| pindonga | ok... do you know if there is some doc on creating a utility? | 15:12 |
| rocky | pindonga: pretty sure the online zope3 book covers that ... srichter would know i guess | 15:13 |
| srichter | yep, it's in the book | 15:14 |
| srichter | there is also a lot of documentation in zope.component and zope.app.component | 15:14 |
| rocky | pindonga: but keep in mind that i know at least in plone, cmf tools are *heavily* overused ... so often times when you make a tool ... a simple python package would suffice | 15:15 |
| srichter | right, tools == utilities | 15:15 |
| srichter | Jim had even suggested before renaming utilities to tools | 15:16 |
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| rocky | i like the name utilities much better than tools | 15:17 |
| srichter | me too :-) | 15:18 |
| pindonga | isn't a tool just a python package for which you need to have at most one instance, that gets to be shared? | 15:18 |
| rocky | pindonga: yeah... but the only real reason you need a tool is if you need to maintain site-wide state | 15:19 |
| pindonga | ok.. then I need a tool :) | 15:19 |
| rocky | pindonga: if you don't need to maintain site-wide state, a simple python package will probably suffice | 15:19 |
| * srichter notes that Zope 3 has other facilities to storestate as well, for example annotations | 15:20 | |
| pindonga | although, actually... I was maintaining site-wide state using portal_metadata tool (I extended the users properties with some custom ones, and used the tool to manage those, plus a default one) | 15:20 |
| rocky | pindonga: you should definitely read the info in the online zope3 book on utilities so you understand the difference between local and global utilities | 15:20 |
| pindonga | yes.. i will do that now | 15:21 |
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| pindonga | is there a difference between the online version and the pdf file? | 15:21 |
| rocky | pindonga: this product you're trying to get running on zope3... i assume you mean zope3.2 ? | 15:21 |
| pindonga | actually I dont know... it will be running mainly on plone with five, but the idea is to make it so that we can migrate slowly away from plone to zope3 only | 15:22 |
| rocky | srichter: hey, just out of curiousity, which freenode channel is the official channel for developers who are trying to build apps with zope3.x and are needing help? | 15:22 |
| rocky | pindonga: gotcha ... the preferred strategy for that these days seems to be to break up your plone product into 2 products 1) a zope 3 product for: as much as possible of the code rooted out into a zope3-only product and 2) a plone product for: the extra bits to make it run on plone | 15:23 |
| rocky | make sense? | 15:23 |
| pindonga | so basically the plone product would consist of an adaptor between plone and the zope3 product (or something like that)? | 15:24 |
| rocky | pindonga: something to that effect ... it might contain custom browser views that only make sense on plone ... it might contain code for properly cataloging content on plone, etc | 15:25 |
| pindonga | alright... and the plone product would depend on the zope3 product... that makes sense | 15:25 |
| rocky | right | 15:26 |
| pindonga | the five dependence would be in the plone product, right? | 15:26 |
| rocky | but the zope3 product should *not* depend on the plone product | 15:26 |
| rocky | right | 15:26 |
| rocky | pindonga: btw... you might have better luck getting questions answered in the future regarding zope3/plone in #zope3-base as thats where most of the Five talk happens, etc | 15:26 |
| rocky | or is it #z3-base ? | 15:26 |
| pindonga | great !!! thank you | 15:27 |
| pindonga | I asked here, because this is the only channel I knew | 15:27 |
| rocky | sure | 15:27 |
| pindonga | sorry if I was offtopic | 15:27 |
| rocky | well, it wasn't off topic for me... not sure about the rest ;) | 15:27 |
| pindonga | this channel is mainly about zope3 (internal) development? | 15:27 |
| rocky | not sure ... thats what i was trying to ask srichter ;) | 15:28 |
| srichter | all Zope 3 questions are fair game | 15:28 |
| rocky | srichter: ah, good to know | 15:28 |
| srichter | since we do not have a zope3-users channel | 15:28 |
| rocky | yeah i was wondering about that | 15:28 |
| rocky | #zope people don't often like questions regarding z3 ;) | 15:28 |
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| srichter | j1m: I sent Tim an E-mail asking for a ZODB release; waiting for his reply | 21:01 |
| srichter | j1m: if he is not doing ZODB releases anymore, it'll take a while, since I then have to learn and document that process | 21:01 |
| j1m | Or you could just make a branch and not make a zodb release. | 21:02 |
| j1m | I imagine he's left instructions somewhere. | 21:02 |
| srichter | right, but it is a bunch of work anyways, since all those other components depend on it | 21:02 |
| srichter | I wonder whether he had a script | 21:03 |
| j1m | probably a windows bat file. ;) | 21:03 |
| srichter | that's fine with me; I can port that to linux | 21:03 |
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| j1m | srichter, I'll be checking in my ZODB changes soon. | 21:28 |
| j1m | I hope | 21:28 |
| j1m | done | 21:30 |
| j1m | srichter, are you going to make the branch for ZODB? | 21:30 |
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| srichter | j1m: yep | 21:37 |
| philiKON | will this be zodb 3.7 or something? | 21:37 |
| srichter | the script tim uses is called release.py | 21:37 |
| srichter | no, I will only do an internal release | 21:37 |
| philiKON | ah, ok | 21:39 |
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| srichter | j1m: are you done with your changes | 21:44 |
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| j1m | srichter, yes | 22:09 |
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