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| ChrisWLaptop | wow, noisy in here tonight :-( | 00:13 |
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| rocky | named page template adapter question: if i introduce a local named page template adapter on my ISite, will it be used? :) | 00:37 |
| J1m_ | It should be. | 00:40 |
| ChrisWLaptop | hey Jim :-) | 00:40 |
| J1m_ | I can't think of any reason why it shouldn't be. | 00:40 |
| J1m_ | Hey | 00:41 |
| ChrisWLaptop | is it just me or does the i18n stuff not give you a nice way to add a catch-all for missing message ids and domains? | 00:41 |
| J1m_ | you can pass defaults. | 00:42 |
| ChrisWLaptop | I saw the stuff you added for missing domains, but I don't really get what adding a TestMessageCatalog to each TranslationDomain achieves :-S | 00:42 |
| J1m_ | This is soley for testing. | 00:42 |
| J1m_ | and I don't remember the details. | 00:42 |
| rocky | J1m_: i'm just thinking of a quick fix for the cmf portal_skins can be customized on a per site basis problem ;) | 00:43 |
| ChrisWLaptop | okay, I'm looking to build something that helps you collect lists of msgids that still need to be translated | 00:43 |
| J1m_ | ah, cool | 00:43 |
| ChrisWLaptop | (in cases where he normal tools can't find all the msgids, such as with ttw content) | 00:43 |
| ChrisWLaptop | but it's feeling almost as painful as working with PTS ;-) | 00:43 |
| J1m_ | PTS? | 00:43 |
| ChrisWLaptop | PlacelessTranslationService... | 00:44 |
| mexiKON | ChrisWLaptop, testmessagecatalog might be related to the testlanguage | 00:45 |
| J1m_ | yes | 00:45 |
| hannosch | ChrisWLaptop: hi, my idea was to add a local utility for the domain you are interested in, which acts as a kind of proxy, it calls the next utility and depending on whether or not it gets a response it adds the id to the local domain or just hands back what it got... | 00:45 |
| ChrisWLaptop | and that's all for testing? | 00:45 |
| J1m_ | yes | 00:46 |
| J1m_ | You can tell from the name. | 00:46 |
| ChrisWLaptop | surely it should be in a test folder then :-/ | 00:46 |
| ChrisWLaptop | oh well | 00:46 |
| ChrisWLaptop | hannosch: yeah, that sounds like what I'm writing | 00:46 |
| ChrisWLaptop | I pass a marker object as the default, so I can tell if I get the default back | 00:46 |
| J1m_ | The test language is useful for recording tests with the test recorder and for manual testing. | 00:47 |
| ChrisWLaptop | I'm actually just implementing this as a different implementation of both ITranslationDomain and ILanguageAvailability | 00:47 |
| ChrisWLaptop | it's got a different piece of zcml, which lets you specify a path to spew .pot too | 00:48 |
| ChrisWLaptop | (for missing msgids for a given domain) | 00:48 |
| ChrisWLaptop | just feels yucky having to copy and paste most of the translate method to get the semantics I'm after... | 00:49 |
| hannosch | ChrisWLaptop: yep, but sounds not too complicated. Personally I would store the ids only on the local utility itself and rely on the catalog export features that are somewhere in zope.app.i18n IIRC | 00:49 |
| ChrisWLaptop | I wasn't aware of those | 00:50 |
| ChrisWLaptop | but spewing .pot isn't too hard | 00:50 |
| hannosch | ChrisWLaptop: there's already a persistent MessageCatalog implementation | 00:50 |
| ChrisWLaptop | and I'd like to copy my insane context builders from PTS is possible ;-) | 00:50 |
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| ChrisWLaptop | weird, no idea what happened there | 00:51 |
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| ChrisWLaptop | I'm nto after a persistent MessageCatalog implementation | 00:51 |
| ChrisWLaptop | just something that spews .pot to add to the real .pot file | 00:52 |
| hannosch | ChrisWLaptop: I just wouldn't do any automatic writing to a file as it will get hairy in a ZEO environment | 00:52 |
| ChrisWLaptop | well, I don't think you should be generatin .pot in a zeo environment ;-) | 00:53 |
| ChrisWLaptop | (certainly a multi-client one) | 00:53 |
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| hannosch | right, by using just a persistent storage (translationdomain is there as well in zope.app.i18n) it'll work in all cases | 00:54 |
| ChrisWLaptop | *shrugs* | 00:54 |
| ChrisWLaptop | I guess someone else can adapt what I write :-) | 00:55 |
| hannosch | ChrisWLaptop: is this available in some repo? | 00:55 |
| ChrisWLaptop | not yet | 00:56 |
| ChrisWLaptop | sadly the customer deadline is too pressing, but I will try and release it "some time" | 00:56 |
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| hannosch | ChrisWLaptop: I don't need release quality code, just code :) | 00:56 |
| ChrisWLaptop | yes, and I don't have time to make the repo accessible, that's the problem ;-) | 00:57 |
| hannosch | ok, understood | 00:57 |
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| oferw | hannosch: did you thought about the tabs and main page i18n? | 01:03 |
| oferw | hannosch: I checked today 2.5 and this is very important to traslate the tabs as well (news, events...) | 01:04 |
| hannosch | oferw: not really, I concentrated on getting Plone to work with cmf2.1 and my summer of code project ;) | 01:04 |
| oferw | and I can not find if there is ticket on this issues already | 01:04 |
| hannosch | oferw: no tickets I know of, please create them, so I won't forget about it and have some reminder | 01:05 |
| oferw | ok I will do it now | 01:06 |
| oferw | hannosch: to add screenshots or just text? | 01:06 |
| hannosch | oferw: text is sufficient, the problem is quite easy to describe (but not easy to fix :( | 01:07 |
| oferw | what the diffrance between the other plone parts and the tabs/main page? | 01:07 |
| hannosch | oferw: it's content vs. application ui and for the first we have LinguaPlone which does most of the job but not everything | 01:08 |
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| eins | hi | 08:09 |
| romanofski | moin | 08:18 |
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| eins | hi romanofski ;) | 08:29 |
| romanofski | hey eins :)) | 08:32 |
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| smokeyd | Hi all, I've got a problem using sqlos 0.2.1 in zope3.2.1. I'm using it together with the mysqldbda database adapter version 1.0.0 | 11:33 |
| smokeyd | when I start zope I get the error ImportError: Module mysqldbda.adapter has no global IMySQLZopeConnection in mysqldbda.adapter.IMySQLZopeConnection | 11:34 |
| smokeyd | and indeed I can't find an IMySQLZopeConnection interface anywhere in the mysqldbda package | 11:35 |
| smokeyd | I read through searching on google that I this means I should install a newer version of mysqldbda | 11:35 |
| smokeyd | but is there a newer version? I don't think so. I installed the one listed on http://www.zope.org/Products/Zope3-Packages/ | 11:36 |
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| jhauser | smokeyd: http://svn.zope.org/mysqldbda/trunk/ | 12:24 |
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| ChrisWLaptop | hi all | 12:44 |
| ChrisWLaptop | hmm, I have a component architecture question :-) | 12:44 |
| ChrisWLaptop | I want to have an ITwiddlerParser interface | 12:44 |
| ChrisWLaptop | several components will implement this | 12:44 |
| ChrisWLaptop | two things: | 12:44 |
| ChrisWLaptop | - what type of component should implement this interface? | 12:45 |
| ChrisWLaptop | - how do I ask the CA for a complete list of all components registered that implement that interface? | 12:45 |
| ChrisWLaptop | (I'd imagine different types of catalog index do the same thing?) | 12:45 |
| SteveA | 1. any component you like can *provide* the interface. a class or factory will *implement* the interface. a component is something that provides interfaces, so that's it basically. | 12:57 |
| SteveA | 2. the CA has two registries: adapters and utilities. so, you'll want to look at the adapter registry API and utility registry API to see if it has a query mechanism. | 12:58 |
| SteveA | I don't think it has one quite like you want. | 12:58 |
| ChrisWLaptop | fuck | 12:58 |
| ChrisWLaptop | that's pretty surprising | 12:59 |
| ChrisWLaptop | I would have thought this would come up with catalog indexes | 12:59 |
| SteveA | eh? | 12:59 |
| SteveA | I don't see why it should. The CA isn't about catloguing | 12:59 |
| ChrisWLaptop | well no, but I'd imagine the question "show me what components implement interface x" would have come up in the sense of "show me all components that implement IWhateverTheIndexInterfacesIs" | 13:00 |
| ChrisWLaptop | you can't register more than one utility for a particular interface, can you? | 13:01 |
| SteveA | you don't register a utility for an interface | 13:01 |
| SteveA | you register a utility providing an interface | 13:02 |
| SteveA | you register an adapter for something providing something | 13:02 |
| ChrisWLaptop | *grunt* | 13:02 |
| SteveA | you can register many utilities providing the same interface. there are two ways to do this | 13:02 |
| SteveA | 1. provide a named utility. use different names | 13:02 |
| SteveA | 2. provide utilities for interfaces extending some interface | 13:02 |
| ChrisWLaptop | okay, but then how do I get all the utilities providing a given interface? | 13:03 |
| SteveA | you'll need to look at the utility registry, and see if there's an API for that | 13:04 |
| SteveA | if there's not one, maybe there should be. so... collector issue / patch / etc. | 13:04 |
| SteveA | it's kinda surprising to me that you want to know all of the utilities like this though | 13:04 |
| SteveA | you must be doing something rather uncommon | 13:05 |
| ChrisWLaptop | providing a ui for picking from a list of parsers | 13:05 |
| ChrisWLaptop | it's not that uncommon ;-) | 13:05 |
| ChrisWLaptop | as I said, the catalog would be another obvious candidate ;-) | 13:05 |
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| ChrisWLaptop | mornin' Jim :-) | 13:14 |
| jhauser | ChrisWLaptop: have you looked at menues? | 13:18 |
| J1m | Morning | 13:18 |
| ChrisWLaptop | jhauser: nope | 13:18 |
| ChrisWLaptop | how do they work? | 13:18 |
| philiKON | ChrisWLaptop, read my book, chapter 12 | 13:18 |
| ChrisWLaptop | as I said, I'm surprised no-one's answered this question when building catalog interfaces | 13:19 |
| ChrisWLaptop | philiKON: my copy's at home | 13:19 |
| jhauser | I can surely not explain it easily | 13:19 |
| ChrisWLaptop | enlighten me from a high level :-) | 13:19 |
| jhauser | you define a menu and register items for this menue | 13:19 |
| ChrisWLaptop | and menu items implement IMenuItem or some such? | 13:20 |
| philiKON | ChrisWLaptop, menus are like actions in cmf | 13:20 |
| philiKON | a menu (an action category) can have menu items (actions) | 13:20 |
| ChrisWLaptop | philiKON: is your chapter 12 about menus? | 13:20 |
| philiKON | it covers menus, yes | 13:21 |
| ChrisWLaptop | well, I'm not specifically interested in menus ;-) | 13:21 |
| philiKON | ok :) | 13:21 |
| ChrisWLaptop | but I'll read it in case it helps | 13:21 |
| ChrisWLaptop | now that you're here... | 13:21 |
| ChrisWLaptop | this is actually for Twiddler, if you've seen ym templating talk | 13:21 |
| ChrisWLaptop | so, you can specify a parser, a renderer and some default filters | 13:21 |
| ChrisWLaptop | the ui for that will be a drop-down, a drop-down and a multi-select, respectively | 13:22 |
| ChrisWLaptop | so, I have the idea that parsers would implement ITwiddlerParser, and so on | 13:22 |
| philiKON | nah, i missed your talk ;) | 13:23 |
| philiKON | was sick, slept in | 13:23 |
| ChrisWLaptop | but, it's now a question of how to register parsers, etc with the CA in such a way that I can ask it for a list of everything registered that implements ITwiddlerParser, if you see what I mean... | 13:23 |
| ChrisWLaptop | sick = hungover? ;-) | 13:23 |
| philiKON | no, actually sick | 13:23 |
| ChrisWLaptop | they feel like utlities to me, but you can only register one utlitity associated with an interface, right? | 13:24 |
| philiKON | well, no | 13:24 |
| philiKON | you can register many utilities for 1 interface | 13:24 |
| philiKON | if they all get different names | 13:24 |
| ChrisWLaptop | okay | 13:24 |
| philiKON | the question is, how are these parsers differnet from each other? | 13:24 |
| ChrisWLaptop | but then how do you get a list of all of 'em? | 13:24 |
| ChrisWLaptop | how are they different? | 13:25 |
| philiKON | z.c.getAllUtilitiesFor() IIRC | 13:25 |
| ChrisWLaptop | ah, that might be just what I'm after... | 13:25 |
| philiKON | ChrisWLaptop, well, how's one ITwidderParser different from another one? | 13:25 |
| ChrisWLaptop | okay, what significance do names have in all of this? | 13:25 |
| philiKON | ChrisWLaptop, i correct myself, you want getUtilitiesFor | 13:25 |
| philiKON | ChrisWLaptop, none, really :). | 13:25 |
| ChrisWLaptop | how are they different? well, how they process the source text into the twiddler dom | 13:25 |
| philiKON | ChrisWLaptop, the zapi index in my book explains getUtilitiesFor. I think it returns an iterable of (name, utility) | 13:26 |
| ChrisWLaptop | interesting | 13:26 |
| philiKON | ChrisWLaptop, aha. | 13:26 |
| ChrisWLaptop | so names have to be unique, right? | 13:26 |
| philiKON | right | 13:26 |
| philiKON | they're used to tell the different utilities apart | 13:26 |
| ChrisWLaptop | and you get a component error if they're not? | 13:26 |
| philiKON | zcml will barf at you | 13:26 |
| ChrisWLaptop | indeed | 13:27 |
| philiKON | name dutilities are a common theme in z3 | 13:27 |
| philiKON | take translation domains | 13:27 |
| ChrisWLaptop | hmm, this is actually pretty cute | 13:27 |
| philiKON | there's more than 1 translation domain | 13:27 |
| philiKON | they're distinguished by their names | 13:27 |
| philiKON | e.g. 'zope', 'plone', 'cps', etc. | 13:27 |
| philiKON | we do the same thing with permissions | 13:27 |
| philiKON | permissions are utilities for IPermission | 13:28 |
| ChrisWLaptop | I'm actually specifically thinking of the add/edit form for twiddlers in Zope 2 | 13:28 |
| philiKON | ok | 13:28 |
| ChrisWLaptop | so the dropdown could use getUtilitiesFor | 13:28 |
| philiKON | actually, it could even be nicer | 13:28 |
| ChrisWLaptop | and then the zodb instance could store the name as an attribute | 13:28 |
| philiKON | right | 13:28 |
| philiKON | actually, you can use the UtilityNamesVocabulary | 13:28 |
| ChrisWLaptop | wtf is that? ;-) | 13:29 |
| philiKON | (if you're using automated edit forms) | 13:29 |
| philiKON | choice fields in automated edit forms are populated from vocabularies | 13:29 |
| philiKON | vocabularies == bags of possible values for a choice field | 13:29 |
| ChrisWLaptop | can I use them in Zope 2.9? | 13:29 |
| philiKON | yup | 13:29 |
| ChrisWLaptop | are there any good examples of automated add/edit forms for Zope 2.9? | 13:30 |
| philiKON | five has tests of both form and formlib based ones | 13:30 |
| ChrisWLaptop | I don't want to see tests, I want to see an example product ;-) | 13:30 |
| ChrisWLaptop | the add/edit form for a twiddler is basically a big text box, two dropdowns and a multi-select | 13:31 |
| philiKON | the test is an example in itself. Browse Five.form.tests or Five.formlib.tests. | 13:31 |
| philiKON | of course, it'd be good to have read about automated forms in z3 in general :) | 13:31 |
| philiKON | which brings us again to my book ;) | 13:32 |
| philiKON | perhaps other people have some real world examples to look at | 13:32 |
| philiKON | actually, rocky just published 3 articles about formlib in zope 2 (actually, plone) | 13:32 |
| ChrisWLaptop | yeah, but you know I'm Plone allergic ;-) | 13:33 |
| ChrisWLaptop | is the newer of form and formlib covered in your book? I thought only the older of the two was> | 13:33 |
| ChrisWLaptop | ? | 13:33 |
| philiKON | yeah, formlib isn't covered in my book (yet :)) | 13:34 |
| ChrisWLaptop | whatdya mean yet> | 13:34 |
| ChrisWLaptop | ? | 13:34 |
| ChrisWLaptop | how'd I get a newer version of your book? | 13:35 |
| philiKON | santa is working on a christmas present | 13:35 |
| ChrisWLaptop | yay! freebie I hope :-P | 13:35 |
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| philiKON | uh, no :) | 13:35 |
| ChrisWLaptop | where did Rocky publish these articles? | 13:35 |
| philiKON | try planet.plone.org | 13:35 |
| ChrisWLaptop | you must be making quite a good living off of your book ;-) | 13:35 |
| philiKON | suuuuuuuuure | 13:35 |
| ChrisWLaptop | I've already said once how I'm plohn allergic ;-) | 13:36 |
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| The|uni | hmm | 15:23 |
| The|uni | i noticed martijns annotation factory | 15:23 |
| The|uni | this looks very much like a concept of persistent adapters! | 15:24 |
| The|uni | very nice | 15:26 |
| The|uni | hrn. except that i'm getting forbiddenattribute errors in the annotation code | 15:27 |
| The|uni | darn | 15:27 |
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| mgedmin | perhaps you need to mark the adapter as trusted? | 16:03 |
| * mgedmin guesses | 16:03 | |
| The|uni | hmm | 16:05 |
| The|uni | works | 16:08 |
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| * mgedmin discovers it is not a good idea to sort titles that are actually Messages | 21:34 | |
| ChrisW | oh? what happens? | 21:35 |
| philiKON | well, you want to translate first, then sort :) | 21:35 |
| ChrisW | well yeah ;-) | 21:37 |
| ChrisW | translation and l10n all sucks, we should all speak english in 7bit ascii... | 21:37 |
| smokeyd | hey all, I've got a problem | 21:44 |
| smokeyd | I've got two interfaces | 21:45 |
| smokeyd | one inherits from IContainer | 21:45 |
| smokeyd | and the other from IContained | 21:45 |
| smokeyd | both have a precondition, telling that the other of the two can be the only child/parent | 21:45 |
| smokeyd | but the problem is, both refer to eachother this way | 21:45 |
| smokeyd | but one get's declared in the .py file above the other | 21:46 |
| smokeyd | so I always refer from one interface to another that does not yet exist | 21:46 |
| ChrisW | apply the assertion afte rboth classes are defined? | 21:47 |
| ChrisW | (zcml is your friend) | 21:47 |
| smokeyd | ok, in zcml | 21:47 |
| smokeyd | didn't think ofthat | 21:47 |
| smokeyd | :) | 21:47 |
| smokeyd | thanks | 21:47 |
| mgedmin | can you actually specify containment constraints in zcml? | 21:48 |
| * mgedmin did not know that | 21:48 | |
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| ChrisW | yeah, think so | 21:49 |
| ChrisW | mgedmin: eh? | 21:49 |
| ChrisW | well, you apply interfces in ZCML, I'm sure ther's an example in ZCML... | 21:49 |
| ChrisW | I bumped into this with Swishdot | 21:49 |
| ChrisW | didn't want to make my code constrain how you lay out your code | 21:49 |
| ChrisW | "your code" -> your postings | 21:50 |
| ChrisW | hey Aiste :-) | 21:50 |
| mgedmin | well, yeah, if you define a separate IFooContained, you can apply it via zcml | 21:50 |
| Aiste | hi ChrisW | 21:51 |
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| smokeyd | hey ChrisW, you said I could set the restraints for an Interface after all interfaces are defined | 21:58 |
| smokeyd | right? | 21:58 |
| smokeyd | how? | 21:58 |
| smokeyd | :) | 21:58 |
| ChrisW | can't remember, sorry :-S | 21:59 |
| ChrisW | I may have resortefd to soemthing differnt... | 21:59 |
| smokeyd | ok thanks | 22:00 |
| smokeyd | :) | 22:00 |
| mgedmin | smokeyd: the usual solution is to split one of the interfaces into two | 22:00 |
| mgedmin | class IFoo(Interface): pass | 22:01 |
| mgedmin | class IFooContainer(Interface): contains(IFoo) | 22:01 |
| mgedmin | class IFooContained(IFoo): containers(IFooContainer) | 22:01 |
| smokeyd | ok, that way | 22:01 |
| mgedmin | if you want to be obscure you can redefine the IFoo interface instead of introducing IFooContained | 22:01 |
| smokeyd | thanks | 22:01 |
| mgedmin | but it is usually better not to be obscure ;) | 22:01 |
| smokeyd | well, the first way is more obious I guess | 22:02 |
| smokeyd | :) | 22:02 |
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| smokeyd | Hey all, sorry to keep bothering you all. But got a strange error as soon as I want to visit the editform of an object (contained): ComponentLookupError((<zope.schema._bootstrapfields.Field object at 0xb4a0064c>, <zope.publisher.browser.BrowserRequest instance URL=http://localhost:8090/blaat/dssfd/@@edit.html>), <InterfaceClass zope.app.form.interfaces.IInputWidget>, u'') | 22:32 |
| graham | I got this yesterday; I think it was when my object didn't meet my interface | 22:35 |
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| mgedmin | smokeyd: the schema for your edit form has a Field | 22:39 |
| mgedmin | there are no widgets registered for Field | 22:40 |
| mgedmin | all of the widgets are registered for subclasses of Field | 22:40 |
| smokeyd | mgedmin: yes that's true.Thanks foor clearing that up, but the problem is that that schema defines a constraint for the ContainerType it can be in, and that should be defined through a field right? | 22:43 |
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| mgedmin | smokeyd: just tell the edit form to skip the __parent__ field | 22:44 |
| mgedmin | do you use zope.formlib? | 22:44 |
| mgedmin | (if not, then consider switching, because formlib is so nice!) | 22:44 |
| mgedmin | if yes, then form_fields = form.Fields(IYourInterfaceHere).omit('__parent__') | 22:44 |
| mgedmin | HTH | 22:44 |
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