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| baijum | hi | 13:03 |
| baijum | can anyone have a look at this bug http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/501 | 13:04 |
| baijum | If I substitute 'import doctest' with 'from zope.testing import doctest' , the error does not exist | 13:04 |
| baijum | so should we replace all 'import doctest' ? | 13:05 |
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| * baijum will add a comment there itself | 13:06 | |
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| Kazade | Hi everyone, I'm having a problem setting up Zope. Everything seems fine and I can access the ZMI locally, however Zope doesnt open any external ports and no-one on my network can access the server. Why would Zope not open a port? I am completely new to Zope so sorry if this a stupid question :) | 13:25 |
| Kazade | sorry I should say im running on Windows 2k | 13:26 |
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| ktwilight | checked firewall rules? | 13:28 |
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| Kazade | Im not running a firewall | 13:29 |
| ktwilight | did you enter http://url.com:port? | 13:30 |
| Kazade | yup | 13:30 |
| ktwilight | no idea then | 13:30 |
| Kazade | If I run IIS on the same port, everything is fine | 13:30 |
| Kazade | oh ok thanks anyway | 13:30 |
| ktwilight | i don't work with windows, so... | 13:30 |
| Kazade | I wouldnt if i didnt have to :) | 13:31 |
| ktwilight | sounds like it got something to do with IIS | 13:31 |
| ktwilight | :) | 13:31 |
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| overflow | Hi all. Is anyone here involved in producing the Windoze distribution of Zope 3? | 14:41 |
| overflow | I'm working with Kazade and we've tried installing it in various ways and it doesn't work | 14:42 |
| overflow | I'm wondering if the package is built because people actually use it or just because someone thinks they should | 14:43 |
| d2m | overflow: whats the install problem ? | 14:51 |
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| overflow | After installing Zope 3.2 or 3.3 on Win2K Workstation and starting the instance, the external port isn't opened | 14:59 |
| d2m | overflow: ? | 14:59 |
| overflow | you can get to it from localhost:8080 but not externally | 14:59 |
| d2m | overflow: zope3s port defaults to 8080 | 14:59 |
| d2m | overflow: check your network settings and firewall | 14:59 |
| overflow | no firewall involved | 15:00 |
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| d2m | overflow: share us the IP address of the server | 15:00 |
| overflow | it's inside at NAT box so you can't get to it | 15:00 |
| SmokeyDUni | hi all. Does setupInputWidgets determine the value that will be displayed in the widget from the context if available and else from the default value from the form_field? | 15:01 |
| d2m | overflow: SO YOU NEED TO CHECK YOUR NETWORK AND DNS SETTINGS | 15:01 |
| d2m | overflow: sooy | 15:01 |
| overflow | I've run nmap against it and the port is not showing | 15:01 |
| d2m | +r | 15:01 |
| overflow | I'm no nooby to IP so I'm pretty sure Zope hasn't opened the port properly | 15:01 |
| overflow | we've run this on Win2kW and Win2kS with same result | 15:02 |
| overflow | I'm getting priv msgs blocked | 15:03 |
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| overflow | d2m: Gimme a sec while I register. ta | 15:04 |
| SmokeyDUni | no ideas about the context? | 15:09 |
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| overflow | I need to change this nick. I can't register it. | 15:13 |
| overflow | back in a bit | 15:13 |
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| rocky | there's no such thing as "not opening a port properly" ... its either open or it isn't | 15:15 |
| Theuni | heh | 15:15 |
| Theuni | this bit isn't set properly | 15:15 |
| rocky | the problem most likely is that its only listening on 127.0.0.1 | 15:16 |
| baijum | there is an issue in collector, http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/383 | 15:17 |
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| baijum | which module should be used in Zope 3 (not app) `zope.testing.doctest` or `doctest` ? | 15:20 |
| baijum | and why `doctest` is used in some places, to avoid `zope.testing` dependency? | 15:22 |
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| Theuni | I think it's zope.testing.doctest. It's our customized version of doctest. Not wanting to have a dependency on zope.testing isn't that relevant currently. | 15:24 |
| Theuni | hi Aiste | 15:25 |
| Aiste | hi theuni | 15:25 |
| benji | baijum: generally, you should use zope.testing.doctest; it's generally newer than that in Python, or has other features | 15:26 |
| benji | we do try to keep them in sync as best as possible, and are investigating options other than keeping our own copy | 15:27 |
| baijum | Well then, http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/501 can be fixed by simply replacing all 'doctest' | 15:27 |
| benji | which is what I've recommended about an hour ago :) | 15:27 |
| baijum | sorry, I didn't noticed it :( | 15:28 |
| baijum | benji, I didn't got your comment on #501 , can I subscribe to collector issues? | 15:33 |
| benji | I think so baijum, but I don't see how, right off. | 15:34 |
| baijum | I think, to subscribe I should have 'supporter status' ? hmm.. now, how can I become a supporter? | 15:39 |
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| * znapper shrugs off duff overlow nick and returns | 15:48 | |
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| znapper | getting hard to find usable nicks without heading off into the realms of the rediculous | 15:48 |
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| znapper | Hi Aiste - Dale here | 15:49 |
| Aiste | hi znapper | 15:49 |
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| benji | znapper: it helps to have a somewhat unusual given name ;) | 15:53 |
| znapper | we've started a project that will give us a chance to do something with Zope 3 but we've been stuffed at the instance stage so far | 15:54 |
| znapper | benji: indeed | 15:54 |
| benji | mkzopeinstance isn't cooperating, znapper? | 15:54 |
| znapper | benji: no, we've created the instance but when we run it, the port isn't getting opened | 15:55 |
| benji | what OS? | 15:55 |
| znapper | this is on Win2k W or S | 15:55 |
| znapper | We've tried Zope 3.2 & 3.3 | 15:56 |
| znapper | it works for localhost:8080 but no external access | 15:56 |
| benji | right, you need to change the config | 15:57 |
| benji | let me look so I can give you specifics | 15:57 |
| znapper | I'm game | 15:57 |
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| benji | in your instance's zope.conf look in the <server> section and change address to include the machine's IP | 15:58 |
| benji | so, znapper, instead of just "address 8080" it'd be something like "address 1.2.3.4:8080" | 15:59 |
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| znapper | I'm working with Kazade. He's on the case | 15:59 |
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| Kazade | That worked :D | 16:00 |
| Kazade | thanks alot benji | 16:00 |
| benji | my pleasure | 16:00 |
| znapper | cool. Cheers | 16:00 |
| znapper | would it be worth submitting a bug request to get the comments - erm - enhanced in the config file? | 16:03 |
| benji | znapper: an issue has been opened, but discussion seems to have stalled http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/383 | 16:04 |
| znapper | we've wasted over a day on this and we're not newbies to this stuff | 16:04 |
| znapper | (well, we are to Zope 3) :-) | 16:05 |
| benji | that's actually pretty "normal" behavior for sockets on windows, binding to no address only makes the port avialable to the local machine | 16:05 |
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| znapper | docha just love Windows? | 16:05 |
| znapper | +n | 16:05 |
| benji | I do actually, but I'm a an (OS) poligomist :) | 16:06 |
| znapper | Are Zope 2 database connectors compatible with Zope 3? | 16:07 |
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| benji | generally nothing in Z2 is compatable with "bare" Z3, if you're need to work with both 2 and 3, look at Five (included in recent versions of Zope 2) | 16:09 |
| Theuni | znapper: depending on the database there should already be an adapter for z3 | 16:09 |
| znapper | I need to connect Zope 3 on Windows to SQL Server. On Zope 2, we used the Egenix mxODBC | 16:09 |
| benji | more specifically, znapper, you can use any Python DB interface with Zope 3 just fine | 16:10 |
| znapper | benji: Thanks. I'll investigate | 16:12 |
| Theuni | right. IIRC having a Python DB-API-2 compatible adapter is easy to set up. | 16:12 |
| benji | znapper: for SQL Server, I'd recommend adodbapi | 16:13 |
| znapper | benji: gotcha - ta | 16:13 |
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| Theuni | btw: i discovered a really cool thing which adapts any odbc database on windows to a network layer and offers clients that talk ODBC to other windows/unix/linux machines | 16:18 |
| Theuni | really useful to connect to weird windows databases from linux machines | 16:18 |
| Theuni | "easysoft odbc-odbc-adapter" | 16:19 |
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| MacYET | morning | 16:19 |
| Theuni | huh? | 16:19 |
| Theuni | is the other half of germany in a different timezone now? | 16:19 |
| znapper | Theuni: noted, thanks | 16:19 |
| MacYET | schwabian is always a bit different | 16:20 |
| znapper | Theuni: we may want to do exactly that before too long | 16:20 |
| MacYET | swabia i mean | 16:21 |
| Theuni | znapper: you're welcome. took me ages to find that for some reason. | 16:21 |
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| znapper | how bizarre. I searched for 'easysoft odbc-odbc-adapter' and the second link for www.openodbc.com/... took me to a porn site! | 16:26 |
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| * Theuni wonders why that is bizarre | 16:26 | |
| Theuni | comparing the estimated amount of porn sites versus other content on the net, this might happen on every random link when googling for anything :) | 16:28 |
| * znapper thinks the site's been cracked | 16:28 | |
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| Theuni | hmm. the domain is owned by someone in Kowloon, Hong Kong M1J 2Z6 | 16:29 |
| znapper | if you go to www.openodbc.com and click on the odbc link...you get some dodgy incest porn | 16:29 |
| Theuni | well | 16:29 |
| benji | too much info, znapper | 16:30 |
| Theuni | i just guessed openodbc.org ... that's worse *g | 16:30 |
| Theuni | too mucho informationo | 16:30 |
| Theuni | hrgh | 16:30 |
| * Theuni tries to get rid of the popups | 16:31 | |
| * Theuni wonders why firefox doesn't block them | 16:31 | |
| znapper | I didn't get any popups | 16:31 |
| znapper | (firefox) | 16:31 |
| znapper | 1.5.0.4 | 16:31 |
| Theuni | It was turned off obviously. Bzzz. | 16:31 |
| * Theuni punches his firefox on the head | 16:31 | |
| MJ | Hrm | 16:34 |
| znapper | found it eventually: http://www.easysoft.com/products/data_access/odbc_odbc_bridge/index.html | 16:35 |
| MJ | Can I safely have event handlers be implemented in persistent instances? | 16:35 |
| * MJ fears he can't.. | 16:35 | |
| MJ | I have a persistent workflow workitem | 16:35 |
| Theuni | isn't an event handler just a special kind of adapter? | 16:35 |
| MJ | That needs to be notified of a particular event. | 16:35 |
| MJ | Theuni: Yes, it needs to be registered | 16:35 |
| MJ | So the registry will not be consistent across app restarts, I fear | 16:36 |
| Theuni | hmm. i had a way to implement "persistent" adapters in my fingers a few days ago | 16:36 |
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| MJ | Nah, I'll just have to register a method, that'll then traverse to all workflow processes to tickle the worklists. | 16:38 |
| MJ | Bummer | 16:38 |
| MJ | Ah, the event helps me narrow the subtree | 16:41 |
| MJ | (only processes in the affected object parent are interested) | 16:41 |
| SmokeyDUni | Hey guys. Can I refer in an edit form to the __name__ property of the object on which the editform is called? | 16:46 |
| SmokeyDUni | so in http://localhost:8090/testproject/@@edit.html find out that the edit.html form is called on testproject? | 16:47 |
| SmokeyDUni | somethin like calling self.context.__name__ or something inside a form class that inherits from EditFormBase | 16:48 |
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| SmokeyDUni | hey andrew_m | 16:54 |
| SmokeyDUni | Dolf here | 16:54 |
| gintas_ | SmokeyDUni: I would suggest using formlib instead of Zope's editing forms, as they are overly complex and crufty | 16:55 |
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| andrew_m | hi SmokeyDUni | 16:56 |
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| SmokeyDUni | yeah gintas_ that's what I'm donig | 16:57 |
| SmokeyDUni | doing | 16:57 |
| SmokeyDUni | I am defining my own form | 16:58 |
| SmokeyDUni | which inherits from EditFormBase | 16:58 |
| SmokeyDUni | and defining some of the functions myself | 16:58 |
| gintas_ | oh, you're speaking about EditFormBase in formlib | 16:59 |
| SmokeyDUni | yup | 16:59 |
| SmokeyDUni | but I want to refer to the name of the object on which I call the form, so I can do something with it and then set a default value for another form field | 16:59 |
| gintas_ | isn't the object the context? | 16:59 |
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| SmokeyDUni | ok, so I should be able to call self.context.__name__ anywhere in the form class? | 17:00 |
| gintas_ | I don't see why not | 17:00 |
| gintas_ | it's a view after all | 17:00 |
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| SmokeyDUni | ok, let's try | 17:01 |
| SmokeyDUni | :) | 17:01 |
| SmokeyDUni | thanks | 17:01 |
| SmokeyDUni | bingo | 17:02 |
| SmokeyDUni | thanks | 17:02 |
| SmokeyDUni | it works | 17:02 |
| SmokeyDUni | another small question, the very first method of an EditFormBase inherited class, when the form is opened is the __call__ method right? | 17:05 |
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| SmokeyDUni | As soon as you edit the object, and zope starts gathering the info for displaying the form, the __call__ function is called first? | 17:05 |
| gintas_ | I think so | 17:06 |
| gintas_ | obviously the form is constructed (__init__) first | 17:06 |
| gintas_ | but __call__ is invoked when rendering | 17:06 |
| gintas_ | I'm not sure about update() | 17:06 |
| SmokeyDUni | yeah ok, __init__ first of course, but the form does not have a context then does it? | 17:07 |
| philiKON | SmokeyDUni, all browse rpages will be called whey they're published | 17:09 |
| philiKON | forms are also browserpages | 17:09 |
| philiKON | hence, their __call__ will indeed be called when the form is rendered | 17:09 |
| philiKON | the __call__ then should call update() | 17:09 |
| philiKON | in fact, this is what the __call__ of a form looks like: | 17:10 |
| philiKON | def __call__(self): | 17:10 |
| philiKON | self.update() | 17:10 |
| philiKON | return self.render() | 17:10 |
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| SmokeyDUni | ok thanks. I saw the __call__ function indeed. | 17:14 |
| SmokeyDUni | so guessed it indeed but wasn't shire | 17:14 |
| SmokeyDUni | shure | 17:14 |
| SmokeyDUni | thanks philiKON. | 17:20 |
| SmokeyDUni | welcome back by the way | 17:20 |
| SmokeyDUni | :) | 17:20 |
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| znapper | Zope 2 user fumbling with Zope 3 questions: | 17:28 |
| znapper | what's the equiv of the old user folder? | 17:28 |
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| J1m | philiKON: I assume you weren't volunteering to remove mutable schemas. | 17:33 |
| J1m | I'm about to start that, so let me know if I'm wrong. | 17:34 |
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| SmokeyDUni | can any of you get into the #python channel? | 17:41 |
| SmokeyDUni | I can get in all channels I tried, except #python | 17:41 |
| mgedmin | znapper: there's a (local) pluggable authentication utility, and PrincipalFolder | 17:41 |
| SmokeyDUni | but get no error message | 17:41 |
| mgedmin | SmokeyDUni: I can | 17:41 |
| SmokeyDUni | :s | 17:41 |
| SmokeyDUni | that's strange | 17:41 |
| znapper | SmokeyDUni: yes. I can get in OK | 17:41 |
| SmokeyDUni | i'll try another client | 17:41 |
| SmokeyDUni | thanks | 17:41 |
| mgedmin | or maybe you have to be registered with nickserv? | 17:42 |
| SmokeyDUni | ok, that could be. I am, but I forgot my passwd | 17:42 |
| SmokeyDUni | :s | 17:42 |
| znapper | mgedmin: thanks - any idea how I get started with it? | 17:42 |
| Theuni | SmokeyDUni: at least you're not in the ban list afaict | 17:42 |
| SmokeyDUni | ok thanks | 17:42 |
| J1m | srichter: ayt? | 17:42 |
| benji | SmokeyDUni: you have to be identified to get into #python | 17:42 |
| d2m | hmm, cant find 'zope.testing' in the trunk -- where to look ? (from zope.testing import doctest) | 17:43 |
| SmokeyDUni | ok thanks. I will recover my pwd :) It's still on my laptop I guess | 17:43 |
| benji | d2m: it's a seperate top-level project at svn.zope.org | 17:45 |
| benji | you can browse it at http://svn.zope.org/zope.testing/ or check it out from svn://svn.zope.org/repos/main/zope.testing/trunk (if I didn't typo that URI) | 17:46 |
| d2m | it won't be in a checkout -- how is this suposed to work ? | 17:46 |
| benji | d2m: it's an external | 17:47 |
| * d2m tries a svn up | 17:47 | |
| d2m | benji: thanks | 17:49 |
| benji | np :) | 17:49 |
| mgedmin | znapper: go to ++etc++site in the ZMI, add a Principal Folder, then add a Pluggable Authentication Utility and configure it to use the principal folder you just added (and a bunch of other plugins) | 17:53 |
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| znapper | mgedmin: Can't see Principal Folder in ++etc++site | 18:06 |
| znapper | only adable thing is Site-Management Folder | 18:06 |
| znapper | addable, even | 18:06 |
| znapper | I thought Zope 3 was supposed to be better documented than Zope 2 but we have found just a few scraps of info. Certanly not enough to start using it for serious work | 18:08 |
| znapper | the ZMI offers no help on getting started | 18:08 |
| mgedmin | I think you have to go into the 'default' folder | 18:08 |
| benji | znapper: we need more and better "getting started" docs, but for a person who has a little bit of Z3 zen, it's quite well documented | 18:09 |
| mgedmin | ah, you add the principal folder *inside* the pluggable auth utility | 18:10 |
| znapper | What's 'Prefix' for? | 18:10 |
| * mgedmin never uses that stuff | 18:10 | |
| benji | perhaps this would help you get started: http://www.benjiyork.com/quick_start/ | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | prefix is to avoid clashes between different sites | 18:10 |
| mgedmin | so that you could have user 'john' in site1 and user 'john' in site2 | 18:11 |
| mgedmin | and zope 3 could tell them apart | 18:11 |
| znapper | mgedmin: OK. thanks. Is this better than the way Zope2 did it? | 18:12 |
| mgedmin | no idea | 18:12 |
| mgedmin | ZMI is not the focus of zope 3 | 18:12 |
| ktwilight | it's more programming focus? | 18:13 |
| znapper | I don't mean the ZMI. Zope 2 used a hierarchy to use permissions | 18:13 |
| ktwilight | znapper, you should read the docs at zope.org, there have good ones | 18:13 |
| ktwilight | s/have/are | 18:13 |
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| znapper | ktwilight: we had a hunt around zope.org but didn't find much. Was there something in particular you were thinking of? | 18:16 |
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| benji | znapper: also, I'd reccomend you get one or both of the Z3 books currently out | 18:17 |
| ktwilight | http://www.zope.org/DevHome/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/FrontPage | 18:17 |
| ktwilight | try looking through every link in that page | 18:18 |
| ktwilight | i glanced through pretty much all of those links in there, and i've gotta say, there are good infos | 18:18 |
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| znapper | benji: I'd read that the books were already too out of date to be useful | 18:18 |
| ktwilight | the Z3 books looks good too, though i think i read somewhere that one of 'em is a bit out of date | 18:18 |
| ktwilight | only one of 'em, not the other | 18:19 |
| benji | I wouldn't say so, all technical books are outdated the moment they're printed, but those will at least give you the basics | 18:19 |
| ktwilight | true | 18:19 |
| znapper | OK. I'll see if Amazon wants my money | 18:20 |
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| J1m | Does anyone here know about mutabel schemas? | 18:32 |
| J1m | Or of the security declarations for fields are used for anything else? | 18:32 |
| philiKON | J1m, sorry, was afk | 18:33 |
| philiKON | J1m, i wasn't volunteering... | 18:33 |
| philiKON | sorry | 18:33 |
| J1m | That's OK. | 18:33 |
| * philiKON had 3 exams today | 18:34 | |
| J1m | I'm tempted to get rid of the security declarations for fields. | 18:34 |
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| J1m | ah | 18:34 |
| J1m | But I don't know what they are used for. | 18:34 |
| philiKON | good question | 18:34 |
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| MacYET__ | what is the current state of zope 3.3? *grouching* | 18:53 |
| J1m | I'm working on resolving the issues. | 18:54 |
| J1m | BTW, I'm going on vacation for a week starting tomorrow. | 18:54 |
| J1m | And plan more next months. | 18:55 |
| MacYET__ | i am on vacation next week :) | 18:55 |
| * J1m wonders if there will be a June release in August. | 18:55 | |
| MacYET__ | perhaps on x-mas | 18:55 |
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| J1m | Maybe we should combine the June and November releases. | 19:00 |
| J1m | If we can get done on time. | 19:00 |
| J1m | Of course, we didn't specify a year. | 19:01 |
| benji | how would that be different from canceling the June release? :) | 19:01 |
| MacYET__ | something sooner would be fine :-) | 19:01 |
| J1m | Right, we should cancel it to avoid being late. | 19:01 |
| MacYET__ | hehe | 19:01 |
| benji | I propose we move the June release to November and the November release to next June, then if we are late again we'll be back on time! | 19:02 |
| philiKON | J1m, btw, i thought about the security declarations | 19:02 |
| MacYET__ | well, 2.10 is ready...we're just waiting :) | 19:02 |
| philiKON | J1m, aren't they needed for widgets? | 19:02 |
| J1m | I don't know | 19:02 |
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| J1m | No tests fail if I ommit that zcml. | 19:03 |
| philiKON | mmmh, then let's leave it out :) | 19:04 |
| philiKON | btw, i've been wanting to work with theuni on this particularly nasty security issue | 19:04 |
| philiKON | then i think there are only 2 or 3 more critical issues | 19:04 |
| philiKON | at least we could have another beta soonish | 19:04 |
| J1m | I hope so. | 19:05 |
| J1m | Note we don't use "critical" anymore. :) | 19:05 |
| philiKON | yeah, seen that | 19:05 |
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| philiKON | Theuni, ping | 19:11 |
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