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| philiKON | looks like only one bug in the Zope 3.3 category left | 01:10 |
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| baijum | can anyone help me, there is buildbot error after my commit http://buildbot.zope.org/Zope3%20trunk%202.4%20Linux%20zc-buildbot/builds/604/test_2/0 | 07:31 |
| baijum | but it looks like, the failed example is : browser.open('http://google.com/ncr') | 07:32 |
| baijum | why google.com ? | 07:32 |
| baijum | there was a mail from Jim regarding this, http://mail.zope.org/pipermail/zope3-dev/2005-December/017167.html | 07:34 |
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| projekt01 | philiKON, can you try to include a configure.zcml for zope.app.module and start zope? | 11:29 |
| projekt01 | I got a error, which I don't know what's going on exactly. | 11:30 |
| projekt01 | Is this a bug in the utility registry lookup concept? | 11:31 |
| philiKON | what is zope.app.module? | 11:33 |
| philiKON | and what have i todo with it? ;) | 11:34 |
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| projekt01 | philiKON, it's a module registry | 11:47 |
| projekt01 | You have nothing to do with, but perhaps you can tell me what the error means ;-) | 11:48 |
| projekt01 | philiKON, sorry, I have to leave, see you later... | 11:55 |
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| haruki | Hi! May I make some questions about zope3? | 13:02 |
| philiKON | sure | 13:03 |
| haruki | at first sorry for my english - it is no so good like russion ) | 13:03 |
| philiKON | no problem. what's your question? | 13:03 |
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| haruki | I must make accounting project and look on zope3 and smalltalk seaside ... Is it possible implement on zope3 system like documentflow invoicing accounting | 13:05 |
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| SteveA | haruki: it is possible. you might like to look at something like http://www.salesforce.com/ instead of developing something from scratch. | 13:07 |
| haruki | tnx | 13:07 |
| SteveA | haruki: if you prefer to speak russian, maybe see if someone like Aiste or alga is around here later | 13:08 |
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| haruki | tnx) but I must learn english ))) | 13:14 |
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| xenru | haruki: privet | 14:04 |
| haruki | xenru privet ))) | 14:05 |
| xenru | ti s Dimoi raboitaesh vmeste? | 14:06 |
| xenru | ili sam po sebe? | 14:06 |
| haruki | )))) davay razberemsya kto takoy Dima ))) | 14:06 |
| xenru | posmotri v lichku | 14:07 |
| haruki | Ya iz Donetska (Urkaine) a ti on kuda? | 14:07 |
| xenru | davai v private | 14:07 |
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| GreenHaruki | xenru where are you | 14:30 |
| xenru | I'm here ;) | 14:31 |
| xenru | I'm sending private messages to u | 14:31 |
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| xenru | can u read? | 14:31 |
| GreenHaruki | no | 14:31 |
| xenru | what irc client u use? | 14:31 |
| mexiKON | xenru, you need to be registered with nickserv to send priv msgs | 14:32 |
| GreenHaruki | ksirc | 14:32 |
| GreenHaruki | already registered | 14:32 |
| xenru | .... yep! thx mexiKON!!! | 14:32 |
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| GreenHaruki | will try in ircii | 14:32 |
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| xenru | we start new R&D center in Dnepr (UA) | 14:34 |
| xenru | I just what to know your zope3 exp | 14:34 |
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| rocky | anyone know if there are any existing events in zope3-land for firing upon user actions such as login ? | 14:39 |
| Theuni | dunno. login might be tricky so maybe nobody cared to do it yet | 14:40 |
| Theuni | the easiest would be to grep, or look into the api docs | 14:40 |
| rocky | someone just posted a patch for doing it in plone (via z3 events) | 14:40 |
| rocky | thats why i was asking | 14:40 |
| Theuni | ah | 14:40 |
| Theuni | might be possible to port, then | 14:41 |
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| rocky | well, the patch looks a little naive ... which is why i was hoping something already existed :) | 14:41 |
| Theuni | :) | 14:42 |
| Theuni | that's how i love it | 14:42 |
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| SmokeyD | good day al | 14:46 |
| SmokeyD | all | 14:46 |
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| xenru | hi | 14:46 |
| baijum | hi all :) | 14:47 |
| SmokeyD | :) | 14:47 |
| baijum | so, 3.3 is coming soon? any idea? | 14:48 |
| xenru | lucky version number ;) | 14:48 |
| xenru | u need any other ideas? :) | 14:49 |
| baijum | lol | 14:49 |
| xenru | who know big and heavy projects based on zope3? | 14:51 |
| baijum | launchpad.net | 14:51 |
| xenru | except launchpad ;) | 14:51 |
| baijum | http://www.enfoldsystems.com/sip (no idea about size) | 14:52 |
| baijum | there are many others, but not free/open/public | 14:53 |
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| xenru | yes I know this project, but thay still use 3.0 | 14:54 |
| xenru | have u links? | 14:54 |
| baijum | sorry :( | 14:54 |
| xenru | me too | 14:55 |
| xenru | I know this projects | 14:55 |
| Theuni | *gah*. again. stupid exception hiding | 14:56 |
| xenru | AFAIK, launchpad is not available, I don't find where I can download a code | 14:58 |
| mexiKON | Theuni, ping | 14:59 |
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| Theuni | pong | 15:00 |
| xenru | hi ofer | 15:00 |
| Theuni | bug 574? :) | 15:00 |
| ofer | xenru: hi :) | 15:00 |
| Theuni | mexiKON: pong | 15:00 |
| mexiKON | hey Theuni | 15:02 |
| mexiKON | Theuni, yeah | 15:02 |
| mexiKON | any progress? | 15:02 |
| mexiKON | if you want, you check in the stuff you have to a branch | 15:02 |
| Theuni | no :(. no time. here's a proposal: i'll check in what i have on a branch and you can take a look | 15:02 |
| Theuni | right | 15:02 |
| mexiKON | that way i could take a look at it | 15:02 |
| mexiKON | lol | 15:02 |
| Theuni | i'll do that | 15:03 |
| mexiKON | :) | 15:03 |
| Theuni | and tell you | 15:03 |
| mexiKON | good idea. thanks | 15:03 |
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| xenru | hi projekt01 | 15:03 |
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| projekt01 | xenru, hi | 15:04 |
| xenru | you developing Tiks, right? | 15:04 |
| projekt01 | yes | 15:04 |
| Theuni | hooray | 15:05 |
| xenru | I'm trying to checkout tree but svn try to download some code from external repo | 15:05 |
| Theuni | now my sandbox is fubar-ed | 15:05 |
| projekt01 | xenru, you mean jsonserver? | 15:06 |
| xenru | yes | 15:06 |
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| xenru | and it is protected | 15:06 |
| projekt01 | use anonymous as username with a empty password | 15:06 |
| xenru | thx | 15:06 |
| projekt01 | xenru, does this work? | 15:06 |
| xenru | I'm checking | 15:06 |
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| projekt01 | Does somebody use the zope.app.module package? | 15:07 |
| projekt01 | Zope3 is broken if the zope.app.module package is included via configure.zcml. | 15:08 |
| mexiKON | i have no idea if zope.app.module is supposed to work at all | 15:09 |
| mexiKON | it's definitely not released | 15:09 |
| Theuni | mexiKON: URL: svn+ssh://ctheune@svn.zope.org/repos/main/Zope3/branches/ctheune-issue-574 | 15:09 |
| mexiKON | i think it should go away | 15:09 |
| mexiKON | Theuni, thx | 15:09 |
| Theuni | i have a change for zope.app.schema.browser here, but that module seems to have gone away in between | 15:09 |
| mexiKON | Theuni, with your permission, i won't be logging in as ctheune, though :) | 15:09 |
| mexiKON | Theuni, yup. | 15:09 |
| projekt01 | mexiKON, My question is not really if zope.app.module is working. I'm afraid about the error itself. | 15:09 |
| Theuni | mexiKON: hmm. alright then, use whatever ssh keys you got. ;) | 15:10 |
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| projekt01 | mexiKON, the error reports a querryUtility lookup which I dont' know why this could happen. | 15:10 |
| projekt01 | mexiKON, see the error: | 15:11 |
| projekt01 | exceptions.AttributeError: '_LocalAdapterRegistry' object has no attribute 'lookup' | 15:11 |
| xenru | projekt01: yes it is working | 15:11 |
| projekt01 | xenru, Ok | 15:11 |
| xenru | projekt01: thx | 15:12 |
| projekt01 | np | 15:12 |
| xenru | I'm learning on your project, thx**2 | 15:12 |
| mexiKON | projekt01, look at the base classes of _LocalADapterREgistry, i'm pretty sure it should have a lookup() method | 15:12 |
| xenru | projekt01: do you have any working projects? | 15:15 |
| xenru | public sites | 15:16 |
| projekt01 | xenru, no, but perhaps Darryl's site is something for you, http://www.tfws.org.nz/ | 15:17 |
| xenru | I'm planing very big site and want to build it ontop of zope3, and want to know is this is possible. | 15:20 |
| xenru | m/b somebody from zope corp. know such projects | 15:21 |
| ktwilight | i don't see why zope can't handle very big sites | 15:21 |
| mexiKON | xenru, launchpad.net is a big z3 site | 15:22 |
| xenru | we want to use it as application server behind squid or apache and balanser | 15:23 |
| ktwilight | the only thing that i would worry is the dbase backend, whether it should be a relational dbase or zodb | 15:23 |
| xenru | ~5-20 req per sec in normal state, up to 10 000-50 000 in high | 15:24 |
| Theuni | 10k-50k is going to need some serious hardware and caching. | 15:24 |
| xenru | yep | 15:24 |
| Theuni | 5 to 20 is fine with a single server, put in a few zeo nodes to be sure. | 15:25 |
| xenru | we specifying caching farm | 15:25 |
| Theuni | depending on the server i measured about 1-2k requests that a single squid can handle, newer faster servers might be better | 15:25 |
| xenru | 1-2k per second? | 15:25 |
| mexiKON | k=1000 | 15:26 |
| mexiKON | ah, you were wondering about per second or not :) | 15:27 |
| mexiKON | sorry | 15:27 |
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| xenru|clone | sorry come back | 15:28 |
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| projekt01 | Is the twisted external svn in Zope3/turnk broken (Berkley DB error) or is it only on my machine? | 15:40 |
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| xenru|clone | projekt01: the same error | 15:42 |
| projekt01 | Ok, thanks for confirm that, so I can go to drink a coffee ;-) | 15:43 |
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| SmokeyD | Hey all, In a formlib form the context variable contains the object the form is called on right? | 15:50 |
| SmokeyD | So it is also possible to call methods on the context which are defined in the class of which the object is an instance? | 15:50 |
| SmokeyD | Like I define an class project | 15:50 |
| SmokeyD | it contains a method getdata() | 15:50 |
| SmokeyD | and from a formlib which is called on an instance of project I could call self.context.getdata() | 15:51 |
| projekt01 | SmokeyD, yes | 15:52 |
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| projekt01 | seems that the server admin for twisted is located at the west cost, so it could take a while till Zope3 svn is working again. | 15:57 |
| SmokeyD | ok thanks projekt01 | 16:00 |
| SmokeyD | i'll look into it them | 16:00 |
| SmokeyD | gotta run now | 16:00 |
| SmokeyD | bye | 16:00 |
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| mexiKON | Theuni, ping | 16:01 |
| Theuni | pong | 16:01 |
| mexiKON | Theuni, can you confirm that zope2 curerntly has no way to return large data efficiently to the client without blocking application resources in the mean time? | 16:01 |
| mexiKON | i mean, in z2 i would use request.write(), right? | 16:01 |
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| mexiKON | while doing that, i'm still in application code, hogging a zodb connection, etc. | 16:02 |
| Theuni | no it has | 16:02 |
| Theuni | you don't use request.write | 16:02 |
| mexiKON | ok | 16:02 |
| mexiKON | what do i use? | 16:02 |
| Theuni | you return an filestreamiterator | 16:02 |
| mexiKON | aaah | 16:02 |
| mexiKON | of course | 16:02 |
| Theuni | however you have to note, that the filestreamiterator may *never* hold any handles to persistent objects | 16:02 |
| Theuni | because they act outside of any transactions | 16:02 |
| mexiKON | of course | 16:02 |
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| Theuni | i'm not sure whether this still works in current zope 2 (2.10) because of server changes or something | 16:03 |
| Theuni | AFAIR wsgi didn't support this. | 16:03 |
| mexiKON | *shrug* | 16:03 |
| mexiKON | well, wsgi supports iterators | 16:03 |
| mexiKON | in fact, that's what it's based on | 16:03 |
| mexiKON | it wants the response body as an iterable | 16:03 |
| Theuni | hm. alright. then it might have been a complicated API issue. | 16:03 |
| mexiKON | yes, well, wsgi support in z2 is currently just bolted on | 16:04 |
| mexiKON | in z3 it's down to the roots of the publisher | 16:04 |
| Theuni | ah exactly. i'm wrong. iteration is fine, request streaming from within the application thread doesn't work | 16:04 |
| Theuni | (request.writE) | 16:04 |
| mexiKON | with wsgi, you mean? | 16:04 |
| Theuni | jup | 16:04 |
| mexiKON | right | 16:04 |
| mexiKON | doesnt' work | 16:04 |
| mexiKON | trickling data slowly to the client, that is | 16:05 |
| mexiKON | it should with zserver | 16:05 |
| Theuni | yup. zserver does. | 16:05 |
| mexiKON | ah, filestream_iterator is nice | 16:05 |
| mexiKON | Theuni, so, like in z3, i'd write a file to the filesystem, open that file with filestreamiterator and return the iterator | 16:06 |
| mexiKON | (the "like in z3" only refers to the first and the last part, not the filestreamiterator :)) | 16:06 |
| mexiKON | right? | 16:07 |
| henri_ | if there are any Five formlib users out there, can you tell me why when i set the render_context flag e.g. form.Fields(Interface, render_context=True) i get a 'Could not adapt' error. | 16:09 |
| henri_ | i guess i need to put some kind of adapter in my configure.zcml. but not sure what. can anyone point me in the right direction? | 16:09 |
| rocky | henri_: it *sounds* like your current context doesn't implement the interface that you handed form.FormFields() | 16:10 |
| rocky | nor does your context adapt to that interface | 16:10 |
| rocky | either should work | 16:10 |
| Theuni | mexiKON: right | 16:11 |
| mexiKON | Theuni, thx | 16:11 |
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| henri_ | rocky: thanks, i'm still getting a handle on the zope3 stuff so could you take a quick look at my code http://paste.plone.org/5843 and suggest where i would implement the interface. thanks! | 16:17 |
| henri_ | rocky: i see what you're saying .... | 16:24 |
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| henri_ | rocky: can you explain why without this flag it does adapt it? | 16:56 |
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| mgedmin | henri_: if you tell formlib to render_context, it tries to get the default values from the context | 16:59 |
| mgedmin | if you do not, it gets the default values from schema field definitions | 17:00 |
| mgedmin | so without render_context it never tries to adapt self.context to ILDAPSearchFilter | 17:00 |
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| mgedmin | henri_: I would be inclined to use the csv standard library module for formatting the csv data for export | 17:01 |
| mgedmin | and urllib.urlencode for converting (key, value) pairs to a query string | 17:02 |
| henri_ | mgedmin: thanks for the response and code suggestions ;) | 17:08 |
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| znapper | how do you logout after loggin in as Manager? | 17:13 |
| znapper | trying to test some permissions stuff here but run out of browsers! | 17:14 |
| mgedmin | one way: close the browser | 17:14 |
| znapper | didn't work | 17:14 |
| alga | benji: do you know if Jim is going to be in today? | 17:14 |
| znapper | (and no cookies visible anywhere) | 17:14 |
| mgedmin | znapper: are you talking about HTTP authentication (the little browser username/password popup window)? | 17:15 |
| znapper | no. Just want to log-out of the ZMI to become anonymous user again | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | how did you log in | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | ? | 17:15 |
| znapper | it prompted me to get to a protected page | 17:15 |
| mgedmin | the browser authentication popup == HTTP authentication | 17:16 |
| mgedmin | it doesn't use cookies | 17:16 |
| znapper | ok | 17:16 |
| mgedmin | but the only reliable way to log out is to close *all* browser windows | 17:16 |
| mgedmin | firefox also has this "clear private data" dialog where you can clear just the HTTP authentication sessions | 17:16 |
| znapper | but I was still logged in. Maybe Konqueror hadn't quite gone away. I'll try again | 17:16 |
| mgedmin | there's a trick: add multiple server instances in zope.conf, listening on different ports (8081, 8082, ...) | 17:17 |
| mgedmin | authentication for each of those can be different | 17:17 |
| znapper | nice idea but not really sustainable | 17:18 |
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| flox | mgedmin: why the zope2 ZMI has no problem with "logout" feature.... but zope3 have problem? | 17:27 |
| * mgedmin has no idea | 17:27 | |
| flox | AFAIK this is HTTP auth on both side | 17:27 |
| * flox guess that zope3 coders were lazy to implement logout feature... | 17:29 | |
| benji | alga: no, I don't think Jim is going to be online today | 17:29 |
| benji | znapper: one other way to "log out" using HTTP auth is to enter an invalid username and password in the url: http://bad:pass@foo.com/ | 17:30 |
| mexiKON | flox, this has nothing to do with laziness | 17:31 |
| mexiKON | flox, "logging" out of HTTP basic auth is not possible | 17:31 |
| benji | (that's also an easy way to change authentication) | 17:31 |
| gabrielboys | is this the proper place to talk about implementations using Zope3, or more for the development of zope3 itself? | 17:32 |
| mexiKON | flox, you will get logout functionality when choosing a credentials plugin that supports logout (e.g. cookie based) | 17:32 |
| benji | both, gabrielboys | 17:32 |
| flox | mexiKON: how u do that on Zope2 ZMI, this is a trick? | 17:33 |
| gabrielboys | great I am working on a fairly big project, and wanted to find a place to make sure I was looking at things correctly, no questions now, just wanted to know if I was in the correct place, thanks | 17:33 |
| mexiKON | flox, no, it's stupid | 17:33 |
| mexiKON | flox, ever tried to "log out" of the zope 2 zmi? | 17:33 |
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| flox | yes, and it gives me ability to login with different credentials | 17:34 |
| mexiKON | that's not log out | 17:34 |
| mexiKON | log out is "make me anonymous" | 17:34 |
| flox | but i cannot change credentials on zope3, and i can on zope2 | 17:34 |
| znapper | benji: thanks for that tip | 17:34 |
| flox | with basic Auth of course | 17:34 |
| benji | np | 17:34 |
| flox | mexiKON: i hav installed such credential plugin on zope3. but i hav problem... | 17:35 |
| mexiKON | flox, get firefox and the web developer extensions | 17:35 |
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| benji | gabrielboys: you can also use zope3-users mailing list | 17:35 |
| flox | i hv Firefox. i use it | 17:35 |
| flox | (no more IE) | 17:35 |
| mexiKON | get the web developer extensions | 17:36 |
| mexiKON | they allow you to toss your basic auth credentials | 17:36 |
| flox | i use, too... for debugging CSS, etc... | 17:36 |
| alga | benji: the thing is I'm in Fredericksburg, VA and would like to come visit you guys | 17:36 |
| mexiKON | yeah, we're not talking about CSS here | 17:36 |
| flox | mexiKON: how i toss credentials? | 17:36 |
| gabrielboys | benji: thanks for the note | 17:37 |
| flox | i know but Web Dev Ext help for CSS too.. | 17:37 |
| mexiKON | i don't friggen care about CSS | 17:37 |
| flox | mexiKON: ok, found | 17:37 |
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| benji | alga: cool! | 17:38 |
| flox | Misc --> Clear --> Clear HTTP Auth | 17:38 |
| flox | mexiKON: with credential plugin, the "Global Site Root" does not display the "Manage Process" entry? | 17:39 |
| mexiKON | right | 17:39 |
| flox | i hv to type URL /++process++ to access | 17:39 |
| flox | and it ask for HTTP auth | 17:39 |
| mexiKON | yup | 17:39 |
| mexiKON | that's known | 17:39 |
| flox | ok, no easy way to work around this | 17:39 |
| mexiKON | perhaps not intended, but it's that way by design | 17:39 |
| mexiKON | nope | 17:39 |
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| flox | ok, i thought it was related to my misuse of PAU | 17:40 |
| flox | mexiKON: i do various things for our project... zope components, CSS and soon i will do xmlrpc/json too... | 17:44 |
| flox | hopefully, we choose to support Firefox only for our application... hehe | 17:44 |
| flox | easier | 17:44 |
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| znapper | flox: And Konqueror, please? | 18:03 |
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| flox | znapper: this is a specific intranet application, not for public release | 18:04 |
| znapper | flox: OK. continue :-) | 18:04 |
| flox | znapper: thanks, :-) | 18:05 |
| flox | definitely, it does not work with IE... | 18:05 |
| znapper | shame | 18:05 |
| flox | but since we try to comply with standards, it should work with other browsers... hehe | 18:06 |
| flox | IE is evil | 18:06 |
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| znapper | Not sure its "evil" it is just poorly written, full of holes and non-compliant. | 18:17 |
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| goibhniu | I'm trying to return a csv file from a formlib method. I'm wondering how to return a file. I know I can open it, read it, set the header and write it out, but it's pretty messy | 18:33 |
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| goibhniu | the main problem I'm having is that if I write out a csv file with lines ending in \r\n and with address fields that contain \n chars it's not recognising the difference | 18:35 |
| Aiste | xenru: hi, are you Mikhail? | 18:35 |
| goibhniu | so I'm trying to use the csv module to set the lineterminator, there's got to be a better way | 18:35 |
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| xenru | Aiste: yes | 21:25 |
| xenru | Aiste: hi | 21:25 |
| Aiste | hi xenru | 21:25 |
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| xenru | Aiste: who r u? | 21:26 |
| Aiste | If I'm not mistaken you were the one who sent an email to pov enquiring about help with zope3 | 21:27 |
| xenru | yes, It is me | 21:27 |
| xenru | go private? | 21:27 |
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