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| SmokeyD | hey, when you submit a form, is a new instance created of the form class? | 08:31 |
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| SmokeyD | or is the instance of the form class used which was created when you first requested the form? | 08:34 |
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| SmokeyD | philiKON, when I submit a form, is a new instance created of the form class or is the instance used that was created with the first request for the form? | 09:38 |
| philiKON | views are always recreated | 09:38 |
| SmokeyD | It looks like the latter | 09:38 |
| philiKON | always | 09:38 |
| philiKON | they're adapters | 09:38 |
| philiKON | every time you adapt, you create | 09:38 |
| SmokeyD | ok, so you create a new instance | 09:39 |
| SmokeyD | every time | 09:39 |
| philiKON | yup | 09:39 |
| SmokeyD | wouldn't it be easier with forms to reuse the same instance | 09:39 |
| philiKON | http has no state. how would you keep the instance? | 09:39 |
| SmokeyD | that way you could save data in the instance, instead of passing it as a hidden for field | 09:39 |
| SmokeyD | yeah that's true | 09:39 |
| SmokeyD | throug a session? | 09:40 |
| SmokeyD | I don't know if zope has anything like sessions like in PHP\ | 09:40 |
| philiKON | sure it does | 09:40 |
| philiKON | sessions aren't PHP's idea | 09:40 |
| philiKON | still, too much overhead | 09:41 |
| philiKON | Theuni, ping | 09:41 |
| SmokeyD | hmm, ok, but now I have to create hidden form fields for the temp[orary data that I want to keep | 09:41 |
| philiKON | so? | 09:41 |
| SmokeyD | well, I need to get data in order to render the form. But the data to retrieve depends on some state variable. Now I have to pass that varialbe in the form, which means I have to first execute the for action, then retrieve the data,m and then render the form | 09:42 |
| SmokeyD | which is changing the whole order forms are normally executed | 09:43 |
| philiKON | i don't understand, but that's because my mind is currently on other thigns... sorry | 09:43 |
| SmokeyD | normally you first create the form fields, but before creating the I need data from an sql database, which depends again on that state variable, so I need to process the submitted data before I can create my form fields | 09:44 |
| SmokeyD | since the state variable might be passed as a hidden field by the form | 09:45 |
| SmokeyD | or I could first create the form fields with default data, then process the submitted data, and if the state variable was passed in the form, recreate the form fields with new data | 09:47 |
| SmokeyD | " but that's because my mind is currently on other thigns... sorry" <didn't read that part, sorry | 09:49 |
| SmokeyD | :) | 09:49 |
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| SmokeyD | hey, question. I'm going to use the zope sessions. But about the overhead, where is the overhead heaviest, on the creation and maintaining of the session, or the storing and retrieving of an individual variable? | 12:26 |
| SmokeyD | In other words, once I use the session, is it little more overhead with each variable I store in it, or does the overhead increase a lot with each extra variable stored in it | 12:26 |
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| philiKON | Theuni, ping | 14:08 |
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| philiKON | flox|away, ping | 14:49 |
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| flox | hi | 14:50 |
| philiKON | hi | 14:50 |
| philiKON | flox, can you make a changes.txt entry for your change on the 3.3 branch? | 14:50 |
| philiKON | the one about issue 383 | 14:50 |
| flox | ok | 14:50 |
| philiKON | reading issue 383 transcript, it looks like it isn't fixed yet, just circumvented with proper documentation ,right? | 14:51 |
| flox | it depends | 14:51 |
| flox | i think the doc fix is enough.. | 14:51 |
| philiKON | we should discuss this thursday | 14:51 |
| philiKON | flox, perhaps you can write a follow up to 383, asking whether this issue can be closed now | 14:52 |
| flox | if u always give the host, there's no bug | 14:52 |
| philiKON | woudl also be a good idea to mention your changes | 14:52 |
| philiKON | flox, true, but sometimes you just don't care about specifying the host. | 14:52 |
| flox | but if u miss the hostname or the ip, it behave differently on *nix and windows | 14:52 |
| philiKON | i guess specifying 0.0.0.0 means all hosts? | 14:52 |
| flox | true | 14:53 |
| philiKON | right, that's still a bug though | 14:53 |
| philiKON | if it's ok to say "address 8080", then it shoudl behave correctly | 14:53 |
| philiKON | on both platforms | 14:53 |
| philiKON | thinknig about this now, we can't close 383 just yet | 14:53 |
| flox | no, we can't. | 14:53 |
| flox | but it is lower importance | 14:53 |
| philiKON | but perhaps you can still write a follow up mentioning your changes | 14:53 |
| flox | ok, i'll do | 14:53 |
| philiKON | thanks | 14:55 |
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| J1m | faassen: ayt? | 16:01 |
| faassen | J1m: sorry about that, now I am | 16:07 |
| faassen | J1m: setting up the skype, a moment | 16:07 |
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| flox | thanks, benji | 16:18 |
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| flox | hi benji, philiKON | 20:37 |
| flox | about #383, we hv to do something, we cannot let zope.conf.in without any comment? | 20:37 |
| flox | i agree we cannot change behaviour for non-Windows platforms | 20:38 |
| flox | so, we should bind to all interfaces by default | 20:38 |
| flox | is there any problem if we keep 'address 0.0.0.0:8080' for next releases? | 20:39 |
| philiKON | flox, that's not the point | 20:39 |
| philiKON | address 8080 shoudl work too | 20:39 |
| flox | this way the use know the right syntax if he need to bind differently | 20:40 |
| flox | s/use/user/ | 20:40 |
| philiKON | well, ok, let's separate this | 20:41 |
| philiKON | there's a *bug* | 20:41 |
| philiKON | a software bug | 20:41 |
| philiKON | that's what 383 is a bout | 20:41 |
| philiKON | you're suggestion in addition to that to enhance the documentation of zope.conf | 20:41 |
| philiKON | by stating a more epxlicit example | 20:41 |
| philiKON | that's ok | 20:41 |
| philiKON | but not enough to fix 383 | 20:41 |
| flox | philiKON: i agree 'address 8080' should work. But it is better to give comment about the issue in zope.conf, so the new user is not lost | 20:41 |
| philiKON | ye syes yes | 20:42 |
| philiKON | but fix 383 first :) | 20:42 |
| flox | i've not enough knowledge for that... :-( | 20:42 |
| philiKON | that's what you think | 20:42 |
| philiKON | you'd be surprised | 20:42 |
| flox | i appreciate your support :-) | 20:43 |
| flox | i'll change the fix, and the CHANGES.TXT, to tell 'Workaround' instead of 'Fixed' | 20:44 |
| philiKON | i would back the whole revision out until we come up with a solution | 20:44 |
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| flox | philiKON: better to revert this 'zope.conf.in' patch completely? | 20:46 |
| philiKON | that's what i think | 20:47 |
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| flox | not fair for windows user, they have no clue how to map to all network interfaces... | 20:48 |
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| flox | i will change on Thursday. i will try to look at the core bug on ZConfig, too | 20:51 |
| philiKON | flox, i'm not syaing it should be reverted permanently | 20:53 |
| philiKON | but simply documenting over bugs isn't the solution either | 20:54 |
| philiKON | fix + docs is a better combo | 20:54 |
| flox | i agree we keep #383 opened, bec not fixed. | 20:54 |
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| flox | ping philiKON | 21:41 |
| philiKON | pong | 21:41 |
| flox | :-) | 21:41 |
| flox | what is default startup message, when HTTP server is started? | 21:41 |
| flox | when config is 'address 8080' or similar | 21:42 |
| flox | u hav a box on Linux with default config, where u can try and tell me? | 21:42 |
| flox | on Windows i hav: | 21:43 |
| flox | "2006-08-15T20:28:38 INFO root -- HTTP:localhost:333 Server started." | 21:43 |
| flox | (for example) | 21:43 |
| philiKON | 2006-08-15T19:05:54 INFO root -- HTTP:localhost:8080 Server started. | 21:43 |
| philiKON | is what i have | 21:43 |
| flox | even if ur server biind to any ineterface ???? | 21:43 |
| philiKON | lemme check | 21:43 |
| flox | strange thing | 21:43 |
| philiKON | <server> | 21:44 |
| philiKON | type HTTP | 21:44 |
| philiKON | address 8080 | 21:44 |
| philiKON | </server> | 21:44 |
| flox | ok, i think this is a bug | 21:44 |
| flox | it should give you on which interface it is running.... | 21:45 |
| flox | on your case, it should be '0.0.0.0:8080' | 21:45 |
| flox | u don't think so? | 21:45 |
| flox | philiKON: we are free to change 'zope.app.twisted'? the bug #383 is within this package.... | 21:46 |
| flox | i go to hav dinner, i try to make a fix, after | 21:46 |
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