| mgedmin | quick poll: should a zope.schema field for decimal.Decimal values be called Decimal or DecimalField? | 00:00 |
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| philiKON | zope.schema.Decimal | 00:01 |
| mgedmin | Decimal conflicts with the actual type (unlike, say, Float and float) | 00:01 |
| philiKON | hrm | 00:01 |
| Theuni | Decimal | 00:01 |
| mgedmin | there's a precedent, of sorts: InterfaceField | 00:01 |
| Theuni | still | 00:01 |
| philiKON | yeah, still | 00:01 |
| Theuni | i'd prefer dealing with the conflict | 00:01 |
| philiKON | mgedmin, well, INterfaceField is not in zope.schema | 00:01 |
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| mgedmin | ok | 00:01 |
| mgedmin | this makes life easier for me, because I already have a patch that adds zope.schema.Decimal | 00:02 |
| benji | Decimal (careful importing should be used to deconflict, IMHO) | 00:02 |
| mgedmin | ;) | 00:02 |
| Theuni | benji: exactly | 00:02 |
| mgedmin | don't blame me when the users start complaining | 00:02 |
| philiKON | mgedmin, don't worry, svn will do that for us :) | 00:02 |
| mgedmin | foo_field = Decimal(min_value=decimal.Decimal("0.5")) | 00:02 |
| Theuni | hehe | 00:02 |
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| philiKON | lol | 00:03 |
| Theuni | no you're not innocent | 00:03 |
| philiKON | are you blackmailing us? | 00:03 |
| Theuni | we're just guilty as well | 00:03 |
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| philiKON | good point | 00:03 |
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| Theuni | now you have meta-guilt! | 00:04 |
| philiKON | nah, i'm not taht complex | 00:04 |
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| mgedmin | if some_field.fromUnicode raises an exception, should it always be a ValueError? | 00:11 |
| mgedmin | decimal.Decimal("bad syntax") raises a decimal.InvalidOperation, which is a subclass of ArithmeticError | 00:11 |
| mgedmin | feels weird somehow | 00:11 |
| philiKON | what does IField.fromUnicode say? | 00:11 |
| benji | yeah, you'd think it'd raise Value | 00:12 |
| benji | Error | 00:12 |
| mgedmin | IFromUnicode.fromUnicode says nothing | 00:12 |
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| philiKON | perhaps iFromUnicode should be clarified | 00:12 |
| philiKON | +1 on ValueError | 00:12 |
| philiKON | it's what i'd expect | 00:12 |
| mgedmin | +1 for clarification | 00:13 |
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| ignas | hi | 13:20 |
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| philiKON | BjornT, you seem to know about browser encodings a lot | 13:24 |
| philiKON | when i have an Accept-Charset header like this: | 13:24 |
| philiKON | ISO-8859-1,utf-8;q=0.7,*;q=0.7 | 13:24 |
| philiKON | does this know iso-8859-1 gets qualifier = 1.0? | 13:24 |
| philiKON | s/know/mean/ | 13:24 |
| BjornT | philiKON: i think so. i'm quite sure that * affects only encodings not explicitly mentioned. | 13:25 |
| SmokeyD | hi all, how can I generate a file and send it as a http request to the client in zope3? I am generating an xml file on the fly and do not want to store it in the filesystem of the server but just generate a link that allows the user to download the file. | 13:25 |
| philiKON | BjornT, ok, thx | 13:26 |
| SmokeyD | just an action in a form and the action generates the xml file and sends it to the client | 13:26 |
| SmokeyD | I know how to generate the xml file, just not how to send it to the client | 13:26 |
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| philiKON | SmokeyD, uhm, write a browser view like you normally do?!? | 13:28 |
| philiKON | SmokeyD, do you have my book? | 13:28 |
| SmokeyD | yup | 13:28 |
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| philiKON | then read the "Advanced Views" chapter | 13:28 |
| philiKON | where we return PDF data to the client | 13:29 |
| philiKON | returning xml data isn't that much different | 13:29 |
| SmokeyD | ok, thanks. I'll look there | 13:29 |
| philiKON | of course, you can also geneerate the xml data in a zpt | 13:29 |
| philiKON | then it becomes *really* easy | 13:29 |
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| SmokeyD | Yeah, I've got an html file that generates an html table. I want to use that same form to also generate an xml file and then send it to the client. But the easiest would be to create a new view for it? | 13:30 |
| SmokeyD | " html file" I mean a formlib form | 13:31 |
| philiKON | different page form | 13:31 |
| philiKON | use the same formlib form component | 13:31 |
| philiKON | but a different template | 13:31 |
| philiKON | one that generates xml instead of html | 13:31 |
| SmokeyD | ok, just have an action in the form that when clicked chages the template to the xml templatefile? | 13:32 |
| philiKON | ? | 13:32 |
| philiKON | i thought you wanted to render form in xml | 13:32 |
| philiKON | what has that got todo with actions? | 13:32 |
| SmokeyD | I have a form with a template and it generates html data. From that form I want to give a link that allows the user to download the same data in xml | 13:33 |
| philiKON | ah | 13:34 |
| philiKON | yeha, action sounds feasible | 13:34 |
| SmokeyD | ok | 13:35 |
| SmokeyD | tanks | 13:35 |
| ignas | can i assume that zope.app.debug.debug.Debugger is used only for functional tests ? | 13:39 |
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| philiKON | ignas, bin/debugzope uses it | 13:45 |
| MJ | Grmbl, zope.app.form doesn't check for invariants | 13:45 |
| philiKON | MJ, right, it doesn't | 13:45 |
| philiKON | MJ, use formlib, dude | 13:45 |
| MJ | I was already planning on adding a formlib-based UI | 13:45 |
| MJ | but the zope.app.form UI is a 'alpha-software' fallback | 13:45 |
| MJ | Would have been nice ;) | 13:45 |
| MJ | philiKON: Pity about the default table layout. :) | 13:46 |
| philiKON | you can always extend it in your own subclass to check for invariants | 13:46 |
| MJ | In the current project we have, of course, replaced it with a div layout. | 13:46 |
| MJ | Sure. | 13:46 |
| philiKON | table layout? | 13:46 |
| MJ | formlib's default page template uses a table layout to display widgets. | 13:46 |
| MJ | See pageform.pt | 13:47 |
| philiKON | MJ, see the "usual source" for teaching formlib to produce the same form layout as zope.app.form | 13:47 |
| philiKON | it involves using widget_macros or something like that | 13:47 |
| MJ | Sure. | 13:47 |
| MJ | As I said, we already supply our own template | 13:47 |
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| philiKON | k | 13:48 |
| MJ | (the invariants were for my personal project, z3wingdbg, btw) | 13:48 |
| philiKON | cool | 13:48 |
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| kobold | are there nice date and datetime widgets in zope3? | 14:50 |
| SmokeyD | kobold, yeas | 14:51 |
| SmokeyD | yes | 14:51 |
| SmokeyD | see http://smokin:8091/++apidoc++/Code/zope/schema/interfaces/index.html | 14:51 |
| SmokeyD | well, without the server part | 14:52 |
| SmokeyD | ++apidoc++/Code/zope/schema/interfaces/index.html in your own zope installation | 14:52 |
| kobold | SmokeyD: I do not resolve smokin :) | 14:52 |
| SmokeyD | no of course, it's not accesible from the internet | 14:52 |
| SmokeyD | :) | 14:52 |
| SmokeyD | Every zope3 installation contains the ++apidoc++ | 14:52 |
| kobold | those widgets are like TextLine and parse a string. | 14:52 |
| SmokeyD | yes they are | 14:53 |
| SmokeyD | but they do check if it is a valid datetime which is entered | 14:53 |
| kobold | SmokeyD: I'm looking for a widget for a real UI. :) | 14:53 |
| kobold | something like two/three select boxes (day, month and year) | 14:53 |
| SmokeyD | Ok, the you could use the List field | 14:53 |
| SmokeyD | three actually | 14:54 |
| kobold | SmokeyD: but I want to store the result in one field, and I do not want to have a custom view for handling this. | 14:54 |
| SmokeyD | and create vocabularies for them which generate the data for the select boxes | 14:54 |
| * kobold thinks that zope3 should have support for this out-of-the-box. | 14:54 | |
| SmokeyD | you could write your own widget and make it available | 14:55 |
| kobold | SmokeyD: yeah, I'll try to do so. | 14:55 |
| SmokeyD | cool | 14:55 |
| kobold | SmokeyD: I'm also looking for a field which should store date and month (but not year).. does it exist or I have to use the Date field? | 14:56 |
| kobold | I need it for a "name day" attribute. | 14:56 |
| SmokeyD | hmm, I don't know | 14:56 |
| ignas | anyone with commit rights and with some knowledge of Zope3 Debugger/HttpCaller ? | 15:00 |
| philiKON | ignas, what do you need to know? | 15:00 |
| ignas | i want to patch it | 15:01 |
| ignas | as I think it is buggy | 15:01 |
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| philiKON | i suggest you write a bug report | 15:01 |
| ignas | i did | 15:01 |
| philiKON | url? | 15:01 |
| ignas | i even fixed it and have a patch | 15:01 |
| philiKON | sounds great :) | 15:02 |
| ignas | http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/705 | 15:03 |
| ignas | http://paste.lisp.org/display/25097 | 15:03 |
| philiKON | ah. | 15:03 |
| philiKON | hmm, sorry, i'm wouldn't know | 15:04 |
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| philiKON | at least not w/o digging into the code | 15:04 |
| philiKON | gotta go :( | 15:04 |
| philiKON | plane to catch | 15:04 |
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| BjornT | ignas: the patch looks correct. i don't want to commit it without looking closer at the issue, though. i could try to do it tonight or tomorrow if no one else does gets around doing so. it'd be even better if you could produce a test case to go with the fix :) | 15:12 |
| ignas | BjornT: well schooltool functional tests are failing without the fix ;) | 15:13 |
| ignas | but it's just way too big for a testcase | 15:13 |
| ignas | debugger has no unit tests which kind of complicates stuff | 15:14 |
| BjornT | yeah, i can imaging that producing a test case for it isn't easy. | 15:14 |
| ignas | well it is when you have an application | 15:15 |
| ignas | well ok | 15:15 |
| ignas | it takes some time | 15:15 |
| ignas | as i'd need at least 1 stub view with a strange name | 15:15 |
| ignas | where would one put a functional test for the Debugger/HTTPCaller ? | 15:16 |
| ignas | or a unit test for the debugger would be enough | 15:16 |
| ignas | ? | 15:16 |
| BjornT | ignas: for a simple unittest, i'd assume zope/app/debug/tests | 15:18 |
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| kobold | what is the easiest way to have a custom widget as sum of simple widgets (for example, three select box)? | 18:45 |
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| kobold | nobody can help me with the complex widget (as sum of different simple widgets)? | 19:19 |
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| benji | kobold: it sounds like you want zc.form.browser.combinationwidget or .unionwidget | 19:59 |
| kobold | benji: is zc part of the standard zope3 | 19:59 |
| kobold | ? | 19:59 |
| benji | nope, you can check it out from svn://svn.zope.org | 20:00 |
| benji | browsable here: http://svn.zope.org/ | 20:00 |
| kobold | what zc stands for? zope components? | 20:00 |
| benji | "Zope Corporation" | 20:00 |
| kobold | benji: is there any reason why this stuff isn't part of zope3? | 20:00 |
| benji | because there's too much in z3 already | 20:01 |
| kobold | I just do not want to use code that won't be maintained in the future... | 20:01 |
| kobold | but if it is from zope corporation, I bet this won't happen.. | 20:01 |
| benji | at the moment all the zc packages are in use by ZC, and many are in use by other people | 20:01 |
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| kobold | benji: sorry if I abuse of your knowledge, but do you have an idea if I need comination widget or union widget? | 20:03 |
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| kobold | I have the impression that zope3 lacks of detailed documentation, and it is not easy to learn from source code. | 20:03 |
| benji | quite the contrary | 20:05 |
| benji | nearly all packages have detailed docs | 20:05 |
| benji | and there are two books currently published if you prefer dead trees | 20:05 |
| benji | kobold: if you want a quick taste look at http://www.benjiyork.com/quick_start/ | 20:07 |
| kobold | benji: I already use zope3 in production, here.. the problem is that there are a lot of quick start but no documentation for advanced things | 20:07 |
| benji | for the most part the doctests are the documentation for advanced things | 20:08 |
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| kobold | benji: yeah, you are right.. but I needed at least a hint on where to look for. | 20:08 |
| benji | what are you looking for? | 20:08 |
| kobold | anyway, the combination widget is what I was looking for | 20:08 |
| benji | cool | 20:09 |
| kobold | you already fixed my knowledge hole. :) | 20:09 |
| benji | :) | 20:09 |
| kobold | thanks a lot, really.. I've lost a few hours implementing hot water. | 20:09 |
| * kobold goes back hacking on his zope3 project | 20:09 | |
| Theuni | hmm, hot water | 20:09 |
| * Theuni gets his cup | 20:09 | |
| benji | we hope to get all of the zc packages into pypi in the future, so people will be able to find them there | 20:09 |
| * benji goes to the fridge for a Coke. | 20:10 | |
| SteveA | pypi is a very good thing | 20:20 |
| SteveA | an additional option is to register these packages in launchpad, and use that for bugtracking and perhaps internationalization. | 20:21 |
| SteveA | I think launchpad is good for a bunch of small interrelated things, because you can show they're related products by grouping them in a "project", and you can redirect bugs from one product to another | 20:22 |
| benji | almost as good as a little Red Leicester | 20:22 |
| SteveA | if for example a bug reported in an add-on for rendering tables turns out to be a bug in some core zope infrastrcuture | 20:22 |
| SteveA | now, obviously, I work on launchpad, so I rather biased about it | 20:23 |
| SteveA | but, this kind of thing is what it's for :-) | 20:23 |
| Theuni | hmm. bias. | 20:23 |
| * Theuni gets his cup | 20:23 | |
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| Theuni | hmm. timewarp | 20:30 |
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