| WebMaven | ccomb: that won't work. | 00:00 |
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| WebMaven | But there is a DirectoryStorage thta more-or-less does what you would expect it to. | 00:01 |
| ccomb | ok thanks | 00:02 |
| ccomb | is there any benchmarks of zodb for different tasks ? | 00:02 |
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| WebMaven | the only benchmarks that matter are the ones of your application. | 00:04 |
| WebMaven | I can give you some rules of thumb. | 00:05 |
| WebMaven | ZODB FileStorage is read-optimized. write-heavy applications have lower performance. | 00:05 |
| ccomb | And I'm wondering what would be the results of putting the Data.fs on a SSD (flash drive) | 00:06 |
| ccomb | it would be much better for seek time | 00:06 |
| WebMaven | oTOH, a non-undoable storage like DirectoryStorage eliminates the write penalty. | 00:06 |
| ccomb | ah interesting | 00:06 |
| WebMaven | Well, flash wears out. | 00:06 |
| WebMaven | the ZODB is undoable because it appends a new copy of an object to the end of the file. | 00:07 |
| WebMaven | so you can get back to old revisions. | 00:07 |
| WebMaven | but this means that the Data.fs grows with every edit. | 00:08 |
| WebMaven | you can purge the Data.fs of older copies, which shrinks it again, but this happens by writing out a new Data.fs and throwing away the old ones. | 00:09 |
| WebMaven | This would all be very hard on Flash, and wear it out. | 00:09 |
| WebMaven | So, if you want to use Flash, use a non-undoable storage, like DirectoryStorage. | 00:10 |
| ccomb | ok | 00:11 |
| WebMaven | unless, of course, in your application you expect data to usually be write once anyway. | 00:12 |
| WebMaven | Does that make sense? | 00:13 |
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| zenwryly | does anyone know why Zope 2.10 seems to include zodbcode but not zope.app.module | 00:29 |
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| ccomb | I have a recurring question about the ++apidoc++ | 00:44 |
| ccomb | In Philipp's book, there is an example of Choice field in a schema | 00:44 |
| ccomb | weekday = Choice(title=u'weekday', values=[u'monday', u'tuesday', ....] | 00:45 |
| ccomb | How can I guess that the "values" parameter exist ? | 00:45 |
| ccomb | Where is it documented ? | 00:46 |
| ccomb | The apidoc does not document __init__ constructors ? | 00:46 |
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| WebMaven | eins: I saw in the ML that you had some ZAlchemy demo code. Is that available somewhere? | 08:43 |
| eins | WebMaven I don't think it is. I can put it once again somewhere;) | 08:45 |
| WebMaven | it was this: http://users.esperonus.com/~baubasmail/zalchemy-demo.tar.gz | 08:46 |
| WebMaven | if you have any other examples, they would be appreciated. | 08:47 |
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| eins | WebMaven try http://users.esperonus.com/~baubasmail/mcontainer.tar.gz | 08:50 |
| eins | this is not a clean code though | 08:51 |
| eins | and it does not work out of the box, modify it for yourself;) | 08:52 |
| WebMaven | you mean, don't ask for your help? | 08:52 |
| WebMaven | zagy: I see you checked in at least one ZAlchemy fix. Do you have any demo or example code lying around I can look at? | 08:54 |
| WebMaven | eins: AYT? | 08:58 |
| WebMaven | zagy: AYT? | 08:59 |
| eins | WebMaven I was trying to set it up so that it would support the "autoload" feature of sqlalchemy and several connections for single object and | 08:59 |
| eins | didn't succeed | 08:59 |
| eins | so I haven't used it any more | 08:59 |
| WebMaven | Do you use anything else? | 09:00 |
| eins | it didn't seem to me very useful at that time | 09:00 |
| eins | we have our own o-r mapper | 09:00 |
| WebMaven | OK. | 09:01 |
| WebMaven | is it released? | 09:01 |
| eins | WebMaven try sqlos | 09:01 |
| eins | no it is not released | 09:01 |
| eins | and try zalchemy also:) maybe it fit you:) | 09:02 |
| WebMaven | I tried SQLOS, but it got all pathological on my insisting on naming conventions even when I overrided them. | 09:02 |
| WebMaven | ZAlchemy is looking like a good option. I am just looking for more ZAlchemy demo code. | 09:02 |
| zagy | WebMaven: hi | 09:04 |
| zagy | WebMaven: we used zalchemy for an internal project | 09:04 |
| zagy | WebMaven: but have a look at the doctests, they helped me a bit | 09:04 |
| WebMaven | they were *some* help, but if you have any simple demo code you can share (even if not perfect) I would appreciate it. | 09:06 |
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| WebMaven | zagy: or, if you know anyone else who has used ZAlchemy and might have similar examples. | 09:07 |
| zagy | have you looked at the sqlalchemy tutorial? | 09:08 |
| eins | WebMaven try looking at example I gave you, you can't think of anything more simple | 09:08 |
| WebMaven | OK, thanks. | 09:08 |
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| WebMaven | eins: yes, this looks good. Along with some other examples I found, I think I'll be able to make a good working demo package for people to learn from. | 09:13 |
| WebMaven | OK, I need to take a break. Thanks folks! | 09:15 |
| eins | np;) | 09:17 |
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| SteveA | Theuni: ping | 14:32 |
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| SteveA | J1m: ping | 14:32 |
| J1m | hey | 14:32 |
| SteveA | hi Jim | 14:32 |
| SteveA | jim, meeting matthew revell and james henstridge | 14:33 |
| SteveA | and vice versa | 14:33 |
| jamesh | hi | 14:33 |
| matthewrevell | J1m: hello :) | 14:33 |
| SteveA | james is the launchpad developer who will be modifying the collector and doing the imports of bugs etc. | 14:33 |
| J1m | Hi | 14:33 |
| J1m | ah, cool | 14:33 |
| SteveA | matthew is the launchpad community communications person | 14:34 |
| SteveA | so, he leads documentation efforts and arrangements with the user community of launchpad | 14:34 |
| SteveA | the three of us are currently in a skype conf call, talking about how to go about doing the bugs import for zope3 | 14:34 |
| SteveA | I'd like james to get hold of the code that is used for the collector, and if possible, its Data.fs | 14:35 |
| SteveA | if that's not possible, it's okay, and he can work from just the code | 14:35 |
| SteveA | do you know what version of the collector + zope is used? | 14:35 |
| J1m | hee hee | 14:35 |
| J1m | I can get you the code. | 14:35 |
| SteveA | ah, one of *those* questions ;-) | 14:36 |
| SteveA | okay | 14:36 |
| J1m | Better yet, I suspect, I can get you an xml export (and a binary export) of the collector. | 14:36 |
| SteveA | ok | 14:36 |
| J1m | There's a pretty good chance you can get what you want from the xml export. | 14:36 |
| J1m | Without even thinking very hard. :) | 14:36 |
| SteveA | oh... so it wouldn't be an xml pickle export? | 14:36 |
| J1m | Yes, it would be. | 14:37 |
| J1m | xml pickle exports can be quite usable. | 14:37 |
| jamesh | J1m: that might work pretty well. Will that have user account data for people who've used the collector? | 14:37 |
| J1m | In our experience. | 14:37 |
| SteveA | sounds challenging but do-able | 14:37 |
| J1m | It isn't as challenging as you might think. | 14:37 |
| jamesh | for an import, I need an email address at a minimum, and preferably a display name | 14:37 |
| J1m | since most Python data structures are dicts. | 14:37 |
| SteveA | when we do exports/imports, we usually carefully link up the owners of comments and subscribers and all that kind of thing | 14:38 |
| SteveA | to make for a good transition | 14:38 |
| J1m | fair enough | 14:38 |
| SteveA | it's possible to do it without that | 14:38 |
| J1m | I expect that the export will have the z.o user name. | 14:38 |
| SteveA | but it means more work getting started in launchpad afterwards, of course | 14:38 |
| J1m | I could also generate some sort of file with user names and email addresses. | 14:38 |
| jamesh | sure. I can do an import that loses comment attribution, but it'd be nice to avoid that | 14:39 |
| J1m | I assume we have that as well. | 14:39 |
| SteveA | sounds good, jim | 14:39 |
| J1m | One of the first tasks will be to see what the xml export looks like. | 14:39 |
| J1m | BTW, as far as data manipulation, a common second task is to write a little bit of xslt to get the pickle dump into a more convenient form, extracting the interesting bits, etc. | 14:40 |
| J1m | If that doesn't work (easily) than the backup plan is for someone like me to write a script that reads the collector data and dumps it. | 14:41 |
| J1m | I suspect though that looking at the xml dump will be easier. | 14:41 |
| SteveA | ok | 14:41 |
| SteveA | there's a standard xml format we use for important | 14:41 |
| SteveA | um, for imports | 14:42 |
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| J1m | I gotta go to f12g. | 14:42 |
| SteveA | J1m: part of my original offer to the zope3 community is writing such scripts, btw | 14:42 |
| jamesh | J1m: we've got an XML format we've developed plus importer code for Launchpad | 14:43 |
| J1m | Why dont' you start an email thread so I have everyone's addresses. | 14:43 |
| SteveA | so, if there are privacy implications then sure, you do it | 14:43 |
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| SteveA | ok, will do | 14:43 |
| SteveA | thanks for the chat | 14:43 |
| jamesh | J1m: so the goal here is to munge the collector data into the format the importer expects | 14:43 |
| J1m | Thanks for helping out with this! | 14:43 |
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| J1m | and thankd for Launchpad! | 14:43 |
| J1m | jamesh, right | 14:43 |
| J1m | later | 14:43 |
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| jamesh | it'd be a bonus if the scripts for converting the collector data are usable by other zope collector users that want to migrate | 14:43 |
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| Theuni | SteveA: pong | 16:09 |
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| ignas | how does one make strings in zcml translatable ? I have viewlet declarations with a title attribute in them, and i want i18n extraction code to spot them ... | 17:16 |
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| SteveA | Theuni: hi | 17:52 |
| Theuni | :) | 17:52 |
| matthewrevell | Theuni: Hi Christian, you emailed me in reply to my posting on the zope3-dev list | 17:55 |
| SteveA | Theuni: I just pasted matthewrevell the chat we just had | 17:56 |
| Theuni | alright. | 17:56 |
| Theuni | matthewrevell: yup. | 17:56 |
| matthewrevell | Theuni: I'm just about to write you an email, following the conversation I had with SteveA and James Henstridge earlier | 17:57 |
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| ofer | is this the last updated file? | 23:43 |
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