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baijum | hi dobee | 08:56 |
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baijum | dobee, started uploading packages to download.zope.org ? | 08:56 |
dobee | baijum: moin, yes i just uploaded 60 dist files | 08:58 |
dobee | so that all that work on eggs can use them | 08:58 |
dobee | non of them uses zope.app directly | 08:58 |
baijum | great ! | 08:58 |
baijum | I am going to remove zope.app from svn, PyPI and download.zope.org , is it ok ? | 08:59 |
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dobee | form svn is ok, but if you remove it from the dist locations, the old packages wont work anymore | 09:00 |
dobee | dunno if anybody uses them at all | 09:00 |
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dobee | s/form/from/ | 09:01 |
baijum | dobee, then I will remove it from svn only now | 09:01 |
dobee | ok | 09:02 |
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dobee | do you upload the dists when you are ready ? | 09:09 |
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baijum | will zope.app.catalog also, then I will upload | 09:10 |
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baijum | dobee, should we register these packages in PyPI now ? | 09:10 |
dobee | i think we should wait until we are ready witth the dev packages | 09:11 |
baijum | ok | 09:12 |
dobee | baijum: short tip, just copy a project checkout local and run this script, then you have a skel http://zope3.pastey.net/9481 | 09:12 |
dobee | it removes svn and all the egg stuff | 09:13 |
dobee | i mean to create a new project | 09:13 |
baijum | In fact I had a script like this earlier, thanks ! | 09:13 |
dobee | the script should be run in the root of the new project folder | 09:13 |
dobee | before the svn import | 09:14 |
philiKON | baijum: ping | 09:17 |
baijum | philiKON, yes | 09:18 |
philiKON | baijum: please remove the bare except in your fix for http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/760 | 09:19 |
philiKON | you want to say except ImportError | 09:19 |
philiKON | bare excepts are evil evil evil | 09:19 |
baijum | philiKON, sorry about that, will do it | 09:19 |
philiKON | np. thanks | 09:20 |
philiKON | has the zope3 collector already been made read-only? | 09:20 |
philiKON | grmpf | 09:20 |
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baijum | philiKON, I am not sure, but launchpad bug tracker is not yet populated with issues | 09:22 |
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dobee | baijum: i am going to change the table layout of the wiki to reflect upload status too, just in case you want to edit something now | 09:25 |
baijum | dobee, go ahead | 09:26 |
romanofski | moin | 09:31 |
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philiKON | argh. zope.app.testing.functional can't be imported if an ftesting.zcml can't be found in the CWD | 09:58 |
philiKON | argh argh argh | 09:58 |
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dobee | baijum: i removed the packages we did not investigate if they use zope.app and created a new table on the wiki, please add the packages you do | 10:05 |
baijum | dobee, I hope you don't miss any packages required for 3.4 release, including deprecated packages | 10:08 |
philiKON | the deprecated ones in zope.app can be part of the zope.app egg, i suppose | 10:09 |
philiKON | saves a bit of work | 10:09 |
philiKON | they'll disappear in 3.5 anyway | 10:09 |
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baijum | philiKON, I think that's a good idea, let's see how many packages are there like that | 10:11 |
philiKON | about 5 i think | 10:11 |
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baijum | dobee, I am getting an error like this: http://zope3.pastey.net/9482 any idea ? | 10:13 |
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philiKON | zope.app.testing.functional is a mess | 10:16 |
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baijum | dobee, when I removed setup.cfg that error is gone | 10:17 |
dobee | do you have an svn checkout | 10:17 |
baijum | yes | 10:17 |
dobee | hm, thats odd | 10:18 |
dobee | must be something with the checkout | 10:18 |
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dobee | i alwas rm the directory and check it out again | 10:18 |
baijum | ok, I will investigate | 10:19 |
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dobee | philiKON: baijum i already created zope.layers and skins which are deprecated | 10:19 |
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philiKON | as you wish | 10:19 |
dobee | and i have made a [back35] extra in packages which requires them | 10:19 |
philiKON | i think it's a wast eof time | 10:19 |
dobee | probably it would be best to have a project called zope.app.back35 | 10:20 |
dobee | where we can put all the deprecated things in | 10:20 |
* philiKON doesn't understand how that would work | 10:20 | |
dobee | zope.app.back35 is just a svn directory | 10:21 |
dobee | then put all deprecated packages in src as externals | 10:21 |
philiKON | that would be very confusing | 10:21 |
philiKON | and i still don't nderstand why that is needed | 10:22 |
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dobee | we need the deprecated packages | 10:22 |
philiKON | yeah, so? | 10:22 |
philiKON | leave 'em as part of the zope.app egg | 10:22 |
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dobee | imho there should be no zope.app package anymore, it is just a namespace | 10:23 |
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philiKON | as you wish :) | 10:23 |
philiKON | it's your time, not mine... | 10:23 |
dobee | i think this is confusing, everybody would think that he needs that package | 10:23 |
philiKON | there could be other stuff in that egg still | 10:25 |
philiKON | e.g. zope.app.zcmlfiles | 10:25 |
dobee | zope.app.zcmlfiles is already a seperate package | 10:25 |
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dobee | it is so, that if you have more packages in it you simply end up fetching all of app, because of the deps | 10:26 |
philiKON | package != egg | 10:26 |
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dobee | yes but the buildout will fetch it all, you then could not have specific revisions of packages without making different externals | 10:28 |
philiKON | well, yea | 10:28 |
philiKON | all i'm saying is that an egg can contain more than one package | 10:29 |
dobee | of course | 10:29 |
philiKON | we don't have to necessarily create a zillion eggs | 10:29 |
philiKON | again, not my time :) | 10:29 |
* philiKON will go back bitching about zope.app.testing.functional :) | 10:29 | |
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jodok | philiKON: are you using launchpads bazar for grok? | 11:03 |
jodok | or is it synced perodically? | 11:03 |
philiKON | we're using svn.zope.org | 11:03 |
philiKON | it's just synced | 11:03 |
philiKON | something that launchpad does automatically | 11:03 |
jodok | ic | 11:03 |
jodok | we're thinking about how to deal with the lovely packages | 11:03 |
jodok | and if it syncs automatically it should be safe to import it | 11:04 |
jodok | philiKON: how did you setup the sync? | 11:05 |
philiKON | we didn't | 11:05 |
philiKON | as said, it's automatic | 11:05 |
philiKON | i don't like it | 11:05 |
philiKON | not that i don't like bzr | 11:05 |
philiKON | but i don't see why they do vendor imports if they don't need to maintain patches for a particular reason | 11:06 |
baijum | philiKON, why 'grok' is not added as a product under 'zope' project in launchpad ? | 11:06 |
philiKON | suppose we could do that | 11:07 |
jodok | philiKON: i mean, where did you specify the svn url? | 11:08 |
philiKON | dunno, Theuni did it :) | 11:09 |
Theuni | ? | 11:09 |
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jodok | philiKON, Theuni: found it. | 11:09 |
Theuni | philiKON: they use 'vendor imports' to allow you linking bugs etc. to specific checkins | 11:10 |
Theuni | even if you don't use bzr | 11:10 |
philiKON | aha | 11:10 |
jodok | philiKON: hmm, looks pretty complicated on launchpad... | 11:12 |
jodok | philiKON: too much for what we nee imho | 11:12 |
jodok | philiKON: or do you think the plan is to move everything to launchpad? | 11:12 |
philiKON | well | 11:13 |
philiKON | i like some things in launchpad | 11:13 |
philiKON | i don't think we have to use all of it | 11:13 |
philiKON | i don't understand your problem, to be honest | 11:13 |
jodok | philiKON: exactly that's the point - i think we need a decent bug tracker | 11:13 |
jodok | nothing else. right? | 11:13 |
philiKON | well, that's ok | 11:13 |
philiKON | use launchpad for that if you like :) | 11:13 |
timte | jodok: isn't trac good for that? | 11:15 |
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dobee | timte: jodok is away, the point is we need a tracker for the public lovely... packages and also for z3c.. | 11:16 |
philiKON | right | 11:16 |
philiKON | trac is nice, but you have to set it up yourself | 11:16 |
philiKON | launchpad is cool because it's single sign in for many projects | 11:17 |
dobee | philiKON: yeah thats the problem | 11:17 |
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dobee | i think we go with launchpad, because all the zope3 stuff is there | 11:17 |
baijum | timte, trac may be better, but no one has come forward it to setup for Zope 3, when asked this in list | 11:17 |
dobee | baijum: the problem with trac is, that you have no multi project support | 11:18 |
timte | that's weird | 11:20 |
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philiKON | that's not true anymore | 11:25 |
philiKON | trac now supposedly has multi-project support | 11:25 |
philiKON | launchpad is a good bet, i think | 11:25 |
* baijum tried this: | 11:26 | |
* baijum $ find src/zope/ -name "*.py"|xargs grep "except:"|wc -l | 11:26 | |
* baijum 222 | 11:26 | |
* baijum '222' good number :) | 11:26 | |
Theuni | yikes | 11:30 |
philiKON | SHRUG | 11:32 |
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dobee | baijum: are you still working on zope.app.intid | 11:41 |
baijum | yes | 11:41 |
dobee | hm, ok, please tell me when you are done, or should i finish it? | 11:42 |
baijum | zope.app.intid is done now, now zope.app.intid and zope.app.catalog is done (uploaded) | 11:43 |
baijum | will update wiki now | 11:44 |
dobee | did you add a setup.cfg? | 11:44 |
baijum | no | 11:44 |
dobee | tests dont run | 11:44 |
dobee | you need zope.app.zcmlfiles in test requirements | 11:44 |
dobee | did you run tests? | 11:44 |
baijum | tests are running | 11:44 |
dobee | ConfigurationError: ('Invalid value for', 'package', 'ImportError: Module zope.app has no global zcmlfiles') | 11:45 |
harobed | philiKON: I've buy new version of your book. It's great ! Congratulation | 11:45 |
dobee | baijum: File "/Users/bd/zsandbox/zope.app.intid/src/zope/app/intid/ftesting.zcml" | 11:45 |
harobed | I wait the next version :) with Grok :) | 11:45 |
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baijum | dobee, how did you run tests ? | 11:47 |
dobee | ./bin/test | 11:47 |
dobee | you need the zcmlfiles package | 11:47 |
dobee | otherwise the ftesting.zcml will never be correctly loaded | 11:47 |
dobee | maybe you have some old packages that load zope.app | 11:48 |
dobee | as dep | 11:48 |
dobee | and so you dont get the error | 11:48 |
dobee | because zope.app includes zope.app.zcmlfiles | 11:48 |
dobee | just remove the zope.app egg from your cache dir and see if it tries to fetch it | 11:49 |
baijum | dobee, yes your are right | 11:49 |
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dobee | baijum: can you please add a setup.cfg, so that it tags the svn revision on your dist files | 11:51 |
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dobee | if one does a non dev release, one should explicitly override it | 11:51 |
baijum | dobee, ok, will do | 11:52 |
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baijum | dobee, tell me an example package which uses zope.app.zcmlfiles | 12:06 |
baijum | ok, got it zope.app.wsgi | 12:07 |
baijum | hey, there is one problem in svn:externals you used 'svn+ssh' in some packages | 12:08 |
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dobee | baijum: ups | 12:14 |
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dobee | i think i its enough to change it when we have to work on a package | 12:15 |
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baijum | dobee, zope.app.intid ix fixed now | 12:17 |
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baijum | s/ix/is | 12:18 |
dobee | saw it, thx | 12:18 |
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dobee | baijum: do you know what is considered newer xy.1.0.dev-r100 or xy.1.0-r100 | 12:26 |
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baijum | I think xy.1.0.dev-r100 is newer because theree is "." after "1.0" | 12:29 |
baijum | please verify it | 12:30 |
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dobee | seems that you are right | 12:30 |
baijum | dobee, you have a list of remaining packages to be eggified | 12:31 |
baijum | ? | 12:31 |
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dobee | did you do boston? | 12:34 |
dobee | baijum: or just an ls in src/zope | 12:34 |
baijum | boston, yes, but there may be 'zcmlfiles' problem, will check | 12:35 |
dobee | no this should work now | 12:35 |
baijum | dobee, ok | 12:35 |
dobee | baijum: the .dev is considred newer, i thought that .dev has a special meaning | 12:36 |
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baijum | dobee, ok | 12:36 |
dobee | baijum: that is not good :-( | 12:37 |
dobee | because we have all that 3.4.dev-r1233 packages in the distribution dir | 12:37 |
dobee | oh no, forget it, they are 3.4dev not 3.4.dev | 12:38 |
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dobee | baijum: do you have delete rights on download.zope.org/distributions ? | 12:40 |
baijum | dobee, nope | 12:40 |
dobee | ok | 12:40 |
baijum | we should ask someone from ZC | 12:40 |
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dobee | baijum: i think the zope packages are ok, its about z3c.configurator | 12:43 |
baijum | dobee, I think I have noticed this before | 12:45 |
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dobee | baijum: great, the two packages viewlet and contentprovider are essential | 12:58 |
baijum | dobee, I was looking at zope.app.boston now | 13:01 |
baijum | I cann't run the tests yet, because there is no zope.app.onlinehelp egg | 13:01 |
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dobee | yes, just thought that viewlet depends on contentprovider, at least boston does afiak | 13:01 |
baijum | yes | 13:02 |
baijum | in zope.app.onlinehelp there is a dep on zope.i18n, how to remove that dependency? | 13:03 |
dobee | baijum: so zope.app.onlinehelp hast to be done first ... i had the same chicken egg problem all the time with the app packagtes | 13:03 |
dobee | zope.i18n is ok i think | 13:03 |
dobee | zope.app.i18n in most cases not | 13:03 |
dobee | because it is just the translation domain | 13:04 |
baijum | ok, then I am going to do zope.app.onlinehelp first | 13:04 |
dobee | baijum: btw it seems that some zope. packages have a -dev tag instead of just 'dev' so if you see such please change it in setup.cfg | 13:06 |
baijum | dobee, will do | 13:07 |
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baijum | dobee, in zope.app.onlinehelp there is some 'ftests', should I merge it to normal tests ? | 13:26 |
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baijum | dobee, ayt ? | 14:45 |
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* baijum hmm.. we have 32 more packages yet to be eggified http://zope3.pastey.net/9504 | 14:52 | |
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dobee | baijum: now i am back | 15:10 |
baijum | dobee, we have 32 more packages yet to be eggified http://zope3.pastey.net/9504 | 15:11 |
dobee | baijum: i have to buildout an internal application now, i will buildout the deps i have | 15:11 |
baijum | ok | 15:11 |
dobee | i have a deadline this week, so i can just do what i need to | 15:11 |
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dobee | baijum: this will include a some of z3c and lovely packages, i will do the deps of them too | 15:13 |
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dobee | baijum: i gonna do zope.app.server now | 15:44 |
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baijum | dobee, ok | 15:48 |
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baijum | In src/zope/app/site/tests/__init__.py | 15:54 |
baijum | zope.deferredimport.deprecatedModule is called | 15:54 |
baijum | AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'deprecatedModule' | 15:54 |
baijum | what is the new function for deprecating module ? | 15:55 |
dobee | baijum: sorry dunno :-( | 15:55 |
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baijum | philiKON, In GSoC there are two application with ownership requested status, why it's not yet assigned a mentor, any idea ? | 16:15 |
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baijum | I google must be evaluating project ideas now... | 16:15 |
baijum | I think | 16:15 |
philiKON | baijum: no | 16:16 |
philiKON | read the timeline | 16:16 |
philiKON | we've got lots of time | 16:16 |
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philiKON | to decide on mentors | 16:16 |
philiKON | etc. | 16:16 |
philiKON | until april 11 | 16:16 |
philiKON | let's not rush things | 16:16 |
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baijum | philiKON, on april 12th they will publish the final list of applications accepted (in on night It cannot be done !) | 16:17 |
philiKON | hmm, true | 16:18 |
philiKON | well, i just got back from a 24h trip | 16:18 |
philiKON | so i ain't looking at this today anymore | 16:18 |
baijum | ok, make sure mentors are assigned for those applications ASAP. | 16:19 |
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baijum | dobee, should we required to avoid dependency on zope.app.preview for packages ? | 16:45 |
baijum | hmm.. zope.app.preview is all about a small ZPT file | 16:46 |
dobee | baijum: up till now i did so | 16:46 |
dobee | i just copied the preview.pt to the packages | 16:47 |
dobee | like zope.app.folder | 16:47 |
dobee | zope.app.zptpage | 16:47 |
philiKON | ack | 16:47 |
philiKON | why??? | 16:47 |
dobee | that whole zope.app.preview package is senseless | 16:47 |
dobee | this is a skin thing | 16:47 |
philiKON | no it isn't | 16:47 |
philiKON | sure, but it's needed for BBB | 16:47 |
dobee | we dont remove it from the zope src tree | 16:48 |
philiKON | well, it also needs to be in a zope 3.4 installation | 16:48 |
dobee | probably it should do its registration itself | 16:48 |
philiKON | ? | 16:48 |
philiKON | anyway, i don't understand why you want to do the copying instead of relying on the egg | 16:49 |
dobee | with conditionals | 16:49 |
dobee | so if it is there, preview is available | 16:49 |
philiKON | more like the other way around | 16:49 |
philiKON | thos epackages who want to do preview and preview is installed, can configure it | 16:49 |
dobee | ok, then we do an egg for just one file even without configuration | 16:50 |
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baijum | dobee, I am going to create an egg for zope.app.preview without buildout | 16:53 |
dobee | baijum: ok | 16:54 |
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mgedmin | zope is a fish, right? | 17:52 |
mgedmin | that would make zope eggs caviar | 17:52 |
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philiKON | mgedmin: zope's eggs at least :) | 18:09 |
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* benji tips his hat to mgedmin's play on words | 18:09 | |
TresEquis | mgedmin: carpiar ;) | 18:12 |
TresEquis | I think the fish is one of the carp family, anyway | 18:12 |
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philiKON | hey TresEquis | 18:15 |
TresEquis | howdy | 18:16 |
TresEquis | how's Guadalajara? | 18:16 |
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philiKON | TresEquis: i'm back in dresden now since 4 hours ago | 18:17 |
philiKON | TresEquis: was in GDL for 4 days, then 1 day in leon, then 4 days in D.F. | 18:18 |
philiKON | now i'm back and exhausted ;) | 18:18 |
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TresEquis | philiKON: you need some meƱudo to help you recover | 19:14 |
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TresEquis | "breakfast of champions" | 19:15 |
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benji | cheesy pop groups from the eightys help one recover from jet lag? who 'da thought? | 19:16 |
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jbb666 | Anyone know this error message?? I'm writing a simple buildout recipe and getting stuck at this error: Expected version spec in', 'recipes:test1', 'at', ':test1') | 20:56 |
jbb666 | seems to be coming from setuptools... sigh ;) | 20:57 |
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faassen | jbb666: be sure you check the syntax of the dependnecy section in setup.py | 21:14 |
faassen | jbb666: or any egg listings in your buildout.cfg | 21:14 |
faassen | jbb666: don't know what you're trying to accomplish with your recipe, though. | 21:14 |
jbb666 | just trying to learn zc.buildout really.... | 21:14 |
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faassen | jbb666: when you're learning buildout, no need to write a new recipe. unless you just mean buildout.cfg | 21:33 |
faassen | jbb666: but that's basically just configuration. recipes are pieces of python that can be used to extend buildout. | 21:33 |
jbb666 | ok i should be more specific... i am trying to extend an existing recipe to do what i want... while learning buildout ;) | 21:33 |
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jbb666 | this is my buildout.cfg and setup.py http://zope3.pastey.net/9561 | 21:34 |
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jbb666 | i found PJE's explanation but that didn't help much ;) | 22:12 |
jbb666 | as far as i can tell a working set is the combined set of all activated packages available | 22:13 |
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