IRC log of #zope3-dev for Wednesday, 2007-03-28

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baijumhi dobee08:56
baijumdobee, started uploading packages to download.zope.org ?08:56
dobeebaijum: moin, yes i just uploaded 60 dist files08:58
dobeeso that all that work on eggs can use them08:58
dobeenon of them uses zope.app directly08:58
baijumgreat !08:58
baijumI am going to remove zope.app from svn, PyPI and download.zope.org , is it ok ?08:59
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dobeeform svn is ok, but if you remove it from the dist locations, the old packages wont work anymore09:00
dobeedunno if anybody uses them at all09:00
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dobees/form/from/09:01
baijumdobee, then I will remove it from svn only now09:01
dobeeok09:02
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dobeedo you upload the dists when you are ready ?09:09
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baijumwill  zope.app.catalog also, then I will upload09:10
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baijumdobee, should we register these packages in PyPI now ?09:10
dobeei think we should wait until we are ready witth the dev packages09:11
baijumok09:12
dobeebaijum: short tip, just copy a project checkout local and run this script, then you have a skel http://zope3.pastey.net/948109:12
dobeeit removes  svn and all the egg stuff09:13
dobeei mean to create a new project09:13
baijumIn fact I had a script like this earlier, thanks !09:13
dobeethe script should be run in the root of the new project folder09:13
dobeebefore the svn import09:14
philiKONbaijum: ping09:17
baijumphiliKON, yes09:18
philiKONbaijum: please remove the bare except in your fix for http://www.zope.org/Collectors/Zope3-dev/76009:19
philiKONyou want to say except ImportError09:19
philiKONbare excepts are evil evil evil09:19
baijumphiliKON, sorry about that, will do it09:19
philiKONnp. thanks09:20
philiKONhas the zope3 collector already been made read-only?09:20
philiKONgrmpf09:20
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baijumphiliKON, I am not sure, but launchpad bug tracker is not yet populated with issues09:22
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dobeebaijum: i am going to change the table layout of the wiki to reflect upload status too, just in case you want to edit something now09:25
baijumdobee, go ahead09:26
romanofskimoin09:31
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philiKONargh. zope.app.testing.functional can't be imported if an ftesting.zcml can't be found in the CWD09:58
philiKONargh argh argh09:58
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dobeebaijum: i removed the packages we did not investigate if they use zope.app and created a new table on the wiki, please add the packages you do10:05
baijumdobee, I hope you don't miss any packages required for 3.4 release, including deprecated packages10:08
philiKONthe deprecated ones in zope.app can be part of the zope.app egg, i suppose10:09
philiKONsaves a bit of work10:09
philiKONthey'll disappear in 3.5 anyway10:09
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baijumphiliKON, I think that's a good idea, let's see how many packages are there like that10:11
philiKONabout 5 i think10:11
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baijumdobee, I am getting an error like this: http://zope3.pastey.net/9482 any idea ?10:13
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philiKONzope.app.testing.functional is a mess10:16
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baijumdobee, when I removed setup.cfg that error is gone10:17
dobeedo you have an svn checkout10:17
baijumyes10:17
dobeehm, thats odd10:18
dobeemust be something with the checkout10:18
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dobeei alwas rm the directory and check it out again10:18
baijumok, I will investigate10:19
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dobeephiliKON: baijum i already created zope.layers and skins which are deprecated10:19
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philiKONas you wish10:19
dobeeand i have made a [back35] extra in packages which requires them10:19
philiKONi think it's a wast eof time10:19
dobeeprobably it would be best to have a project called zope.app.back3510:20
dobeewhere we can put all the deprecated things in10:20
* philiKON doesn't understand how that would work10:20
dobeezope.app.back35 is just a svn directory10:21
dobeethen put all deprecated packages in src as externals10:21
philiKONthat would be very confusing10:21
philiKONand i still don't nderstand why that is needed10:22
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dobeewe need the deprecated packages10:22
philiKONyeah, so?10:22
philiKONleave 'em as part of the zope.app egg10:22
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dobeeimho there should be no zope.app package anymore, it is just a namespace10:23
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philiKONas you wish :)10:23
philiKONit's your time, not mine...10:23
dobeei think this is confusing, everybody would think that he needs that package10:23
philiKONthere could be other stuff in that egg still10:25
philiKONe.g. zope.app.zcmlfiles10:25
dobeezope.app.zcmlfiles is already a seperate package10:25
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dobeeit is so, that if you have more packages in it you simply end up fetching all of app, because of the deps10:26
philiKONpackage != egg10:26
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dobeeyes but the buildout will fetch it all, you then could not have specific revisions of packages without making different externals10:28
philiKONwell, yea10:28
philiKONall i'm saying is that an egg can contain more than one package10:29
dobeeof course10:29
philiKONwe don't have to necessarily create a zillion eggs10:29
philiKONagain, not my time :)10:29
* philiKON will go back bitching about zope.app.testing.functional :)10:29
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jodokphiliKON: are you using launchpads bazar for grok?11:03
jodokor is it synced perodically?11:03
philiKONwe're using svn.zope.org11:03
philiKONit's just synced11:03
philiKONsomething that launchpad does automatically11:03
jodokic11:03
jodokwe're thinking about how to deal with the lovely packages11:03
jodokand if it syncs automatically it should be safe to import it11:04
jodokphiliKON: how did you setup the sync?11:05
philiKONwe didn't11:05
philiKONas said, it's automatic11:05
philiKONi don't like it11:05
philiKONnot that i don't like bzr11:05
philiKONbut i don't see why they do vendor imports if they don't need to maintain patches for a particular reason11:06
baijumphiliKON, why 'grok' is not added as a product under 'zope' project in launchpad ?11:06
philiKONsuppose we could do that11:07
jodokphiliKON: i mean, where did you specify the svn url?11:08
philiKONdunno, Theuni did it :)11:09
Theuni?11:09
* Theuni reads up11:09
jodokphiliKON, Theuni: found it.11:09
TheuniphiliKON: they use 'vendor imports' to allow you linking bugs etc. to specific checkins11:10
Theunieven if you don't use bzr11:10
philiKONaha11:10
jodokphiliKON: hmm, looks pretty complicated on launchpad...11:12
jodokphiliKON: too much for what we nee imho11:12
jodokphiliKON: or do you think the plan is to move everything to launchpad?11:12
philiKONwell11:13
philiKONi like some things in launchpad11:13
philiKONi don't think we have to use all of it11:13
philiKONi don't understand your problem, to be honest11:13
jodokphiliKON: exactly that's the point - i think we need a decent bug tracker11:13
jodoknothing else. right?11:13
philiKONwell, that's ok11:13
philiKONuse launchpad for that if you like :)11:13
timtejodok: isn't trac good for that?11:15
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dobeetimte: jodok is away, the point is we need a tracker for the public lovely... packages and also  for z3c..11:16
philiKONright11:16
philiKONtrac is nice, but you have to set it up yourself11:16
philiKONlaunchpad is cool because it's single sign in for many projects11:17
dobeephiliKON: yeah thats the problem11:17
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dobeei think we go with launchpad, because all the zope3 stuff is there11:17
baijumtimte, trac may be better, but no one has come forward it to setup for Zope 3, when asked this in list11:17
dobeebaijum: the problem with trac is, that you have no multi project support11:18
timtethat's weird11:20
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philiKONthat's not true anymore11:25
philiKONtrac now supposedly has multi-project support11:25
philiKONlaunchpad is a good bet, i think11:25
* baijum tried this:11:26
* baijum $ find src/zope/ -name "*.py"|xargs grep "except:"|wc -l11:26
* baijum 22211:26
* baijum '222' good number :)11:26
Theuniyikes11:30
philiKONSHRUG11:32
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dobeebaijum: are you still working on zope.app.intid11:41
baijumyes11:41
dobeehm, ok, please tell me when you are done, or should i finish it?11:42
baijumzope.app.intid is done now, now  zope.app.intid and zope.app.catalog is done (uploaded)11:43
baijumwill update wiki now11:44
dobeedid you add a setup.cfg?11:44
baijumno11:44
dobeetests dont run11:44
dobeeyou need zope.app.zcmlfiles in test requirements11:44
dobeedid you run tests?11:44
baijumtests are running11:44
dobeeConfigurationError: ('Invalid value for', 'package', 'ImportError: Module zope.app has no global zcmlfiles')11:45
harobedphiliKON: I've buy new version of your book. It's great ! Congratulation11:45
dobeebaijum:  File "/Users/bd/zsandbox/zope.app.intid/src/zope/app/intid/ftesting.zcml"11:45
harobedI wait the next version :) with Grok :)11:45
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baijumdobee, how did you run tests ?11:47
dobee./bin/test11:47
dobeeyou need the zcmlfiles package11:47
dobeeotherwise the ftesting.zcml will never be correctly loaded11:47
dobeemaybe you have some old packages that load zope.app11:48
dobeeas dep11:48
dobeeand so you dont get the error11:48
dobeebecause zope.app includes zope.app.zcmlfiles11:48
dobeejust remove the zope.app egg from your cache dir and see if it tries to fetch it11:49
baijumdobee, yes your are right11:49
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dobeebaijum: can you please add a setup.cfg, so that it tags the svn revision on your dist files11:51
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dobeeif one does a non dev release, one should explicitly override it11:51
baijumdobee, ok, will do11:52
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baijumdobee, tell me an example package which uses zope.app.zcmlfiles12:06
baijumok, got it zope.app.wsgi12:07
baijumhey, there is one problem in svn:externals you used 'svn+ssh' in some packages12:08
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dobeebaijum: ups12:14
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dobeei think i its enough to change it when we have to work on a package12:15
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baijumdobee, zope.app.intid ix fixed now12:17
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baijums/ix/is12:18
dobeesaw it, thx12:18
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dobeebaijum: do you know what is considered newer   xy.1.0.dev-r100 or xy.1.0-r10012:26
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baijumI think xy.1.0.dev-r100 is newer because theree is "." after "1.0"12:29
baijumplease verify it12:30
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dobeeseems that you are right12:30
baijumdobee, you have a list of remaining packages to be eggified12:31
baijum?12:31
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dobeedid you do boston?12:34
dobeebaijum: or just an ls  in src/zope12:34
baijumboston, yes, but there may be 'zcmlfiles' problem, will check12:35
dobeeno this should work now12:35
baijumdobee, ok12:35
dobeebaijum: the .dev is considred newer, i thought that .dev has a special meaning12:36
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baijumdobee, ok12:36
dobeebaijum: that is not good :-(12:37
dobeebecause we have all that 3.4.dev-r1233 packages in the distribution dir12:37
dobeeoh no, forget it, they are 3.4dev not 3.4.dev12:38
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dobeebaijum: do you have delete rights on download.zope.org/distributions ?12:40
baijumdobee, nope12:40
dobeeok12:40
baijumwe should ask someone from ZC12:40
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dobeebaijum: i think the zope packages are ok, its about z3c.configurator12:43
baijumdobee, I think I have noticed this before12:45
* baijum going to remove zope.app dependency on zope.viewlet12:47
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dobeebaijum: great, the two packages viewlet and contentprovider are essential12:58
baijumdobee, I was looking at zope.app.boston now13:01
baijumI cann't run the tests yet, because there is no zope.app.onlinehelp egg13:01
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dobeeyes, just thought that viewlet depends on contentprovider, at least boston does afiak13:01
baijumyes13:02
baijumin zope.app.onlinehelp there is a dep on zope.i18n, how to remove that dependency?13:03
dobeebaijum: so zope.app.onlinehelp hast to be done first ... i had the same chicken egg problem all the time with the app packagtes13:03
dobeezope.i18n is ok  i think13:03
dobeezope.app.i18n in most cases not13:03
dobeebecause it is just the translation domain13:04
baijumok, then I am going to do zope.app.onlinehelp first13:04
dobeebaijum: btw it seems that some zope. packages have a -dev tag instead of just 'dev' so if you see such please change it in setup.cfg13:06
baijumdobee, will do13:07
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baijumdobee, in zope.app.onlinehelp there is some 'ftests', should I merge it to normal tests ?13:26
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baijumdobee, ayt ?14:45
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* baijum hmm.. we have 32 more packages yet to be eggified http://zope3.pastey.net/950414:52
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dobeebaijum: now i am back15:10
baijumdobee, we have 32 more packages yet to be eggified http://zope3.pastey.net/950415:11
dobeebaijum: i have to buildout an internal application now, i will buildout the deps i have15:11
baijumok15:11
dobeei have a deadline this week, so i can just do what i need to15:11
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dobeebaijum: this will include a some of z3c and lovely packages, i will do the deps of them too15:13
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dobeebaijum: i gonna do zope.app.server now15:44
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baijumdobee, ok15:48
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baijumIn src/zope/app/site/tests/__init__.py15:54
baijumzope.deferredimport.deprecatedModule is called15:54
baijumAttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'deprecatedModule'15:54
baijumwhat is the new function for deprecating module ?15:55
dobeebaijum: sorry dunno :-(15:55
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baijumphiliKON, In GSoC there are two application with ownership requested status, why it's not yet assigned a mentor, any idea ?16:15
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baijumI google must be evaluating project ideas now...16:15
baijumI think16:15
philiKONbaijum: no16:16
philiKONread the timeline16:16
philiKONwe've got lots of time16:16
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philiKONto decide on mentors16:16
philiKONetc.16:16
philiKONuntil april 1116:16
philiKONlet's not rush things16:16
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baijumphiliKON, on april 12th they will publish the final list of applications accepted (in on night It cannot be done !)16:17
philiKONhmm, true16:18
philiKONwell, i just got back from a 24h trip16:18
philiKONso i ain't looking at this today anymore16:18
baijumok, make sure mentors are assigned for those applications ASAP.16:19
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baijumdobee, should we required to avoid dependency on zope.app.preview for packages ?16:45
baijumhmm.. zope.app.preview is all about a small ZPT file16:46
dobeebaijum: up till now i did so16:46
dobeei just copied the preview.pt to the packages16:47
dobeelike zope.app.folder16:47
dobeezope.app.zptpage16:47
philiKONack16:47
philiKONwhy???16:47
dobeethat whole zope.app.preview package is senseless16:47
dobeethis is a skin thing16:47
philiKONno it isn't16:47
philiKONsure, but it's needed for BBB16:47
dobeewe dont remove it from the zope src tree16:48
philiKONwell, it also needs to be in a zope 3.4 installation16:48
dobeeprobably it should do its registration itself16:48
philiKON?16:48
philiKONanyway, i don't understand why you want to do the copying instead of relying on the egg16:49
dobeewith conditionals16:49
dobeeso if it is there, preview is available16:49
philiKONmore like the other way around16:49
philiKONthos epackages who want to do preview and preview is installed, can configure it16:49
dobeeok, then we do an egg for just one file even without configuration16:50
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baijumdobee, I am going to create an egg for zope.app.preview without buildout16:53
dobeebaijum: ok16:54
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mgedminzope is a fish, right?17:52
mgedminthat would make zope eggs caviar17:52
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philiKONmgedmin: zope's eggs at least :)18:09
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* benji tips his hat to mgedmin's play on words18:09
TresEquismgedmin: carpiar ;)18:12
TresEquisI think the fish is one of the carp family, anyway18:12
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philiKONhey TresEquis18:15
TresEquishowdy18:16
TresEquishow's Guadalajara?18:16
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philiKONTresEquis: i'm back in dresden now since 4 hours ago18:17
philiKONTresEquis: was in GDL for 4 days, then 1 day in leon, then 4 days in D.F.18:18
philiKONnow i'm back and exhausted ;)18:18
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TresEquisphiliKON: you need some meƱudo to help you recover19:14
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TresEquis"breakfast of champions"19:15
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benjicheesy pop groups from the eightys help one recover from jet lag?  who 'da thought?19:16
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jbb666Anyone know this error message?? I'm writing a simple buildout recipe and getting stuck at this error: Expected version spec in', 'recipes:test1', 'at', ':test1')20:56
jbb666seems to be coming from setuptools... sigh ;)20:57
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faassenjbb666: be sure you check the syntax of the dependnecy section in setup.py21:14
faassenjbb666: or any egg listings in your buildout.cfg21:14
faassenjbb666: don't know what you're trying to accomplish with your recipe, though.21:14
jbb666just trying to learn zc.buildout really....21:14
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faassenjbb666: when you're learning buildout, no need to write a new recipe. unless you just mean buildout.cfg21:33
faassenjbb666: but that's basically just configuration. recipes are pieces of python that can be used to extend buildout.21:33
jbb666ok i should be more specific... i am trying to extend an existing recipe to do what i want... while learning buildout ;)21:33
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jbb666this is my buildout.cfg and setup.py http://zope3.pastey.net/956121:34
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* jbb666 wonders what a "working set" is22:11
jbb666i found PJE's explanation but that didn't help much ;)22:12
jbb666as far as i can tell a working set is the combined set of all activated packages available22:13
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